22 Mar 2004: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments

From: Pedt Scragg <xurga-query@dontspame.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:45:08 +0000
Subject: RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.rec.gardening



Summary: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments

Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26

NO beat YES by 14 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES
votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS.

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 16th March 2004.

Proponent : Gary Poston <gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk>
Votetaker : Pedt Scragg <xurga-query (at) dontspame.com>

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale
7) Newsgroups Line
8) Proposed Charter

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    61 emails were received at the ballot request address:

       52 : Ballot requests
        6 : Viruses/worms
        1 : Query from a voter
        1 : Test by the votetaker
        1 : Test by a voter (see Votetaker comments)

    56 emails were received at the vote submission address:

       38 : Valid votes
        2 : Votes later resubmitted (see Votetaker comments)
        1 : Valid vote superseded by a later vote
        1 : Invalid vote (see Votetaker comments)
       13 : Votetaker queries and subsequent correspondence
        1 : Test by the Votetaker

    20 emails were received at the vote query address:

       18 : Queries and subsequent correspondence
        2 : Junk/viruses/worms.

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Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments

        YES : 12 votes
         NO : 26 votes
      Total : 38 votes

NO beat YES by 14 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES
votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS.

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Voted Yes - 12 votes
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Chris Norton           chris@norton?zetnet@co@uk                  YES
Dan Keeley             dan?dankeeley@co@uk                        YES
Dangerous              sjalldred?tiscali@co@uk                    YES
David Uri              daviduri?bigfoot@com                       YES
Graham Carr            gpcarr?ntlworld@com                        YES
Martin Sykes           martin?sykesm@globalnet@co@uk              YES
Melanie McCluskey      melanie-mccluskey?tesco@net                YES
Neil Ellwood           carl@ellwood2?btinternet@com               YES
Robert                 mail?burnley27@fsnet@co@uk                 YES
Shazzbat               shservices?shservices@fsnet@co@uk          YES
The Barsteward         thebarsteward?freeuk@com                   YES
Whingin' Pom           whinginpom?donotreply@com                  YES

Voted No - 26 votes
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Alan R Williams        alanrw?cs@man@ac@uk                        NO
Bazza                  bazzas?btinternet@com                      NO
Chris French           ngvote?familyfrench@co@uk                  NO
Dave Mason             xurga?sarnie@org@uk                        NO
David WE. Roberts      wibble?talk21@com                          NO
Derek Turner           frderek?cesmail@com                        NO
Franz Heymann          franz@heyman?btopenworld@com               NO
Jane                   jane?moonrose@demon@co@uk                  NO
Janet Baraclough       janet@and@john?zetnet@co@uk                NO
John Rye               jrye?ukonline@co@uk                        NO
Jon Rouse              jon?timewarp@demon@co@uk                   NO
Jon Smith              basketballjones?lycos@co@uk                NO
Martinp                martinp?wanadoo@nl                         NO
Max Wright             maxwright?wys-systems@demon#co#uk          NO
Neil Jones             Neil@Jones?t-mi@com                        NO
Pete Fenelon           pete?fenelon@com                           NO
Peter Smyth            psmyth?ukf@net                             NO
Rhiannon S             mddestiny?aol@com                          NO
Richard Ashton         {R}?semolina@org                           NO
Robert Harvey          bobharvey?europe@com                       NO
RogerH                 rogerh?clara@co@uk                         NO
Sally Thompson         sally@thompson?btinternet@com              NO
Stephen Gower          socks-netnews?earth@li                     NO
Stuart Baldwin         stuart?boxatrix@co@uk                      NO
Tony Anson             horrid@squeak?zetnet@co@uk                 NO
Wm                     tcnw61?tarrcity@demon@co@uk                NO

Invalid - 1 vote
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Mike Harvey            harveytm?lineone@net
(See Votetaker comments)

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Votetaker Comments:

Very straightforward to count the vote as nearly all voters followed the
instructions in the Ballot Paper and queries by the votetaker were, with
one exception, answered quickly and helpfully by the voter. Thank you.

The vote was a little less straightforward in other respects. A few
voters suffered email delays after Ballot Papers or Acknowledgements
were issued and generated some of the correspondence noted in the
summary - one voter being unfortunate enough to suffer delays to both.

The test ballot request, noted under email received, was due to a voter
asking someone to see if the ballot request address was working, rather
than contacting the Votetaker, after a Ballot Paper was requested to a
spamtrapped address. Voters are reminded that you need to use a working
email address for the reply to receive Ballot Papers or if contacting
the Votetaker.

Two ballot papers were requested to be resubmitted for technical
reasons. Both voters submitted valid votes at the 2nd attempt.

Invalid vote: The one exception mentioned in the initial paragraph of
these comments was "Mike Harvey" who failed to make any reply to a query
by the Votetaker. There was no alternative other than to disallow the

The Votetaker was pleasantly surprised that the email address for this
vote remained remarkably junk and virus/worm free.

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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
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of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.

The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:


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There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.  Allegations of irregularity should be sent to
control at usenet.org.uk

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I have searched to find many allotment web sites and found that if
this group was opened it would allow all allotment (and would be)
allotment holders to to exchange views in one convenient place.
This in turn would give valued exchange of views by every visitor.
To also pick up tips and sometimes tricks into allotment gardening.

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uk.rec.gardening.allotments  Allotments holders group

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PROPOSED CHARTER: uk.rec.gardening.allotments

To discuss allotment issues, planting times, tips on gardening, pest
controls and general allotment posts.


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