01 Oct 2003: Create Group: uk.comp.security.firebrick

From: Mark Goodge <m.goodge@nospam.ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:49:02 +0100
Subject: RESULT: Creation of group 'uk.comp.security.firebrick' FAILS as +12 requirement not met.
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net,alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp,alt.firebrick


RESULT: Creation of group 'uk.comp.security.firebrick' FAILS as +12
requirement not met.

(Please note that, due to the known ability of the "swen" virus to
harvest addresses from news postings, all email addresses in this
results posting, including the votetaker's "from" and "reply-to"
addresses, are spamtrapped or munged. I regret the necessity for
this, but consider these circumstances sufficiently exceptional
to warrant breaking the usual rules)

Summary: Creation of group 'uk.comp.security.firebrick' received 41
votes in favour and 37 against, with 3 abstentions. This fails to
meet the requirement for a winning margin of 12 or greater.
Therefore, the proposal fails.

Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 19th September 2003.

Proponent : David Mahon <dmahonRFD at amigo dot co dot uk>
Votetaker: Mark Goodge <m dot goodge at ukvoting dot org dot uk>



The full results follow below in the following order:

1) Information on the ballot
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetaker's Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Information
6) Rationale and Proposal (from the CFV)



Voters were asked to show their preference on a single Yes/No
question: Create group 'uk.comp.security.firebrick'?



There were 88 vote emails received:

81 Valid and counted votes
  3 Invalid votes (all of which were corrected by the voter on
    the 2nd submission and are included in the counted votes)
  1 Duplicate vote (acknowledged both times, in case the voter
    was having email problems, but only counted once)
  1 Vote cancellation (not included in the published results)
  2 Technically valid votes subsequently discarded by the votetaker
    (see below)

Of the 81 valid and counted votes received, the preferences were:

       Yes: 41
        No: 37
   Abstain:  3

Under the Voting Procedures for the uk.* Hierarchy, a winning option
must have at least 12 YES votes more than NO votes. In this case, the
winning margin did not reach this number and the proposal therefore



Name                         Email                            Vote

Adrian Wise        adrian?adrianwise/co/uk                    Yes
Alastair           alastair_voting?hotmail/com                Yes
Alex               alex?letmethink/co/uk                      Yes
Alex D. Baxter     alex-news?oenone/demon/co/uk               No
Alex Monro         alexm?pobox/com                            Yes
Ali Hopkins        fn62?dial/pipex/com                        No
Andrew Hearn       andrew/hearn?aaisp/net/uk                  Yes
Andrew Hodgson     andrew?hodgsonfamily/org                   No
Anthony R. Gold    bigfoot?davros/org                         Yes
Badger             badger?housemartin/f9/co/uk                No
Barry Dorrans      barryd?idunno/org                          No
BigAl              bigal/home?virgin/net                      No
Bob Eager          rde42?spamcop/net                          Yes
Bob Scott          bob?Bobandaileen/co/uk                     No
Brett Paul Dunbar  brett?dimetrodon/demon/co/uk               No
Brian              Brian?bjforster/force9/co/uk               No
Chris Hill         news1?plantain/org/uk                      Yes
Cliff Hones        voter?cliff/hones/org/uk                   Yes
Dave H             dmh?dmh/org/uk                             Abstain
Dave J.            requiem?freeuk/com                         No
Dave Mason         xucsf?sarnie/org/uk                        No
Dave Mayall        david/mayall?ukonline/co/uk                No
Dave Williams      dave?clues/com                             No
David Mahon        vote_ucsf?amigo/co/uk                      Yes
David Small        davids?4oceans/com                         Yes
David Taylor       davidt-news?yadt/co/uk                     Yes
Dick Gaughan       dickg?dickalba/demon/co/uk                 No
Fearghas McKay     fm?st-kilda/org                            Yes
fred               fred?fredc/demon/co/uk                     Yes
Gareth Jayne       gaz?gazmond/co/uk                          Yes
Geoff Wilson       geoff/wilson?dsl/pipex/com                 No
Graham Drabble     graham/drabble?lineone/net                 Abstain
Hugh Pritchard     Hugh/Pritchard?AdvancedTechnologyLtd/co/uk Yes
Ian Jackson        ijackson?chiark/greenend/org/uk            No
Ian Northeast      ian?house-from-hell/demon/co/uk            No
James Bentall      james?bentall/net                          Yes
James Farrar       londonstatto?yahoo/co/uk                   No
James Gardiner     jamesg?womble/org                          Yes
JBM                jpb8?duke/edu                              Yes
Jeff McGhie        jeff?mcghie/me/uk                          Yes
Jim Crowther       jim?crowfam/org/uk                         Yes
Julie Brandon      julie-vote?computergeeks/co/uk             Yes
kat                katnews?ntlworld/com                       No
Ken Green          Ken/Green?kgcc/co/uk                       Yes
Kevin Hones        kev?watchfront/co/uk                       Yes
Lt. Cmdr. Jim      jim?us-lot/org                             Abstain
Malcolm Mladenovic ukvotes?tinc/org/uk                        No
Mark May           news01?tamani/org                          Yes
Martin Cooper      usenet?martinc/me/uk                       Yes
Matthew Balyuzi    matthew?balyuzi/net                        Yes
Michael Parry      michaelj/parry?ntlworld/com                Yes
Mike Bristow       mike?urgle/com                             No
Mike Fleming       mike?tauzero/co/uk                         No
Mike Zanker        mike?zanker/org                            Yes
Neil Pollicott     neil?cti-uk/com                            Yes
Nick Barnes        nick?bcn-it/co/uk                          Yes
Nick Perry         nick/perry?amulation/co/uk                 Yes
Paul Cummins       paul?cummins/ie/eu/org                     Yes
Paul Giverin       paul?giverin/co/uk                         No
Paul Harper        paul?harper/net                            No
paul               {voter}?watman/clara/co/uk                 No
Pekka P. Pirinen   ppp?pirinen/demon/co/uk                    No
Pete Fenelon       pete?fenelon/com                           No
Peter Hutchinson   peter?hcs-ltd/net                          Yes
Peter Smyth        psmyth?ukf/net                             No
Pete The Gardener  pete_the_gardener?hotmail/com              No
Rev Adrian Kennard '?o/gg                                     Yes
Richard Clayton    richard?highwayman/com                     No
Richard Lamont     richard?lamont/me/uk                       Yes
Richard Smith      spam_all_you_want?yahoo/com                Yes
Rick Payne         rickp?rossfell/co/uk                       Yes
Robert Woolley     rob?robertwoolley/co/uk                    Yes
Scott Taylor       taylorscott67?yahoo/co/uk                  No
Shaun Kemp         shaun?aaisp/net/uk                         Yes
Stan Dorrington    stan/dorrington?ianwilliams/co/uk          Yes
Steve Firth        voting?malloc/co/uk                        No
Stuart O'Donnell   spod?venicones/demon/co/uk                 No
Thomas Lee         tfl?psp/co/uk                              No
^Thunder^          Thunder?ukessex/org/uk                     No
Tim Miller         Tim/Miller?nera/com                        No
Zonky              webmaster?dialup-web/net                   No

Discarded votes:

Tim Lee    Tim?datapath/co/uk
Rabbit     RabbitsComputers?hotmail/com

These were discarded under the rules stated in paragraph 5 of
"The Result" of The Voting Procedures for uk.* as having been
submitted by the same person in an apparent attempt to bypass the
"one person, one vote" restrictions.



This vote was made more awkward than usual by the excessively large
number of people who seemed unable to read the instructions on the
ballot paper. What is it about "delete this line and everything above
it" that is so hard to understand? Also, I had to be very generous with
some extremely badly mangled ballot papers, which would not have passed
any automated processing.

Two votes had to be discarded under the rules prohibiting multi-voting.
It should be noted that, under the current rules, *all* votes from
a multi-voter must be discarded. Therefore, none of the counted votes
are from the disqualified voter.



This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.

The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URLs:

The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to

Allegations of irregularity should be sent to the committee via email
to: <control at usenet dot org dot uk>.


(The information in this and the following section is a copy of that
provided in the CFV)

RATIONALE from the last RFD

The group alt.firebrick already exists for discussion of the firewall
range named "Firebrick" produced by Watchfront Electronics and Andrews &
Arnold. Unfortunately alt.* does not always offer the best propagation
everywhere and occasionally it becomes apparent that there are problems
getting some ISPs to carry the group.

The product is manufactured in the UK and sells mainly to UK clients so
it seems sensible to have the group based in the uk.* hierarchy where it
should be well propagated.

This proposal has the support of the manufacturers.



This group is for discussion of issues relating to the Firebrick
firewall range. This includes, but is not limited to, help with
configuration, notification of new firmware releases and discussion of
forthcoming products.


Advertising is forbidden.

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Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden.
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