25 Sep 2003: Amend the Voting Guidelines (Petition for ROD)

From: Barry Salter <xrod01-query@salterg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:38:04 +0100
Subject: RESULT : Amend the Voting Guidelines (Petition for ROD) PASSES 27 : 1
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.management


                        RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Amend the Voting Guidelines (Petition for ROD)

PROPOSAL - Amend the Voting Guidelines (Petition for ROD) PASSES 27 : 1

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 20th September 2003.

          Proponent: Graham Drabble <graham.drabble@lineone.net>
  Primary Votetaker: Barry Salter <xrod01-query@salterg.demon.co.uk>
Secondary Votetaker: Molly Mockford <xrod01@mockfords.clara.co.uk>

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale & Proposal

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46 messages were received to the Ballot Request Address, of which:

36 were valid Ballot Requests
 6 were Trojan-loaded Messages sent by users infected with the Swen Worm
 4 were Test Messages posted by the votetaker

31 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which:

29 were valid Votes
 2 were Test Messages posted by the votetaker

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PROPOSAL - Amend the Voting Guidelines (Petition for ROD)

    YES : 27 votes
     NO :  1 votes
ABSTAIN :  1 votes
  Total : 29 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 26 votes. For the proposal to pass, there
must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal has

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Name                Address                                         Vote
Adam D. Barratt     vote+pro+rod+2003-08~#~adam-barratt.yookay.rgo   YES
Barry Dorrans       barryd~#~idunno.rgo                              YES
Brett Paul Dunbar   brett~#~dimetrodon.demon.yookay.oc               YES
Charles Lindsey     chl~#~clerew.man.yookay.ca                       YES
Clive R Robertson   prod~#~clive.yookay.rgo                          YES
Dave H              dmh~#~dmh.yookay.rgo                             YES
Dave J.             requiem~#~freeuk.moc                         ABSTAIN
Dave Mason          xrod01~#~sarnie.yookay.rgo                       YES
David Uri           daviduri~#~bigfoot.moc                           YES
Graham Drabble      graham.drabble~#~lineone.ten                     YES
Jonathan Wheeler    J.F.Wheeler~#~rl.yookay.ca                       YES
Lt. Cmddr. Jim      jim~#~us-lot.rgo                                 YES
Mike Fleming        mike~#~tauzero.yookay.oc                         YES
Mike Tullett        mike.tullett4~#~ntlworld.moc                     YES
Nigel Ashton        nigel~#~nigelashton.demon.yookay.oc              YES
Owen Rees           owen.rees~#~tesco.ten                            YES
paul                {voter}~#~watman.clara.yookay.oc                 YES
Paul Carpenter      paul~#~pcserv.demon.yookay.oc                    YES
Paul Cummins        paul~#~cummins.ie.eu.rgo                         YES
Pete The Gardener   pete_the_gardener~#~hotmail.moc                  YES
Peter Robinson      pmrobinson~#~gmx.ten                             YES
Peter Smyth         psmyth~#~ukf.ten                                 YES
Philip Powell       philip~#~blencathra.yookay.rgo                    NO
Richard Kennaway    jrk~#~cmp.uea.yookay.ca                          YES
Scott Taylor        taylorscott67~#~yahoo.yookay.oc                  YES
Steve Firth         voting~#~malloc.yookay.oc                        YES
Stuart O'Donnell    spod~#~venicones.demon.yookay.oc                 YES
Thomas Lee          tfl~#~psp.yookay.oc                              YES
Tim Sharrock        tim~#~sharrock.yookay.rgo                        YES

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Votetakers Comments:

No major problems to report, apart from Control's attack of Real Life
causing the 2nd CFV to be posted late, so I decided to extend the
voting period by a week.

As mentioned above, 6 e-mails containing the Swen trojan were received
to the Ballot Request address, so this could become a major issue for
future CFVs.

Two votes were received to the address which the autoballots are sent
from (in this case, xrod01 <at> autoballot <dot> ukvoting), but they
were later resubmitted to the correct address.

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Paragraph 8 of the voting guidelines state (w.r.t ROD) "Additionally, 
this option shall be included in any ballot should the committee so 
request, or if 4 or more people so petition during the RFD stage" but 
does not make it clear how that petition should be made. In the past 
people have suggested unnc, control@usenet.org.uk and 
committee@usenet.org.uk all of which are reasonable but none are 
guarenteed to be deemed the correct place when it comes to counting 
them. Given that this option is most likely to be used during 
controversial RFDs it seems sensible to specify somewhere now rather 
than waiting for the argument that would follow the committee 
deciding that objections to a certain place should / should not be 

I have proposed having control@usenet.org.uk as the correct place as 
that is used elsewhere, I'm open to reasons why it should by any of 
the other places.

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Change point 8 of the voting procedures from

Additionally, this option shall be included in any ballot should the 
committee so request, or if 4 or more people so petition during the 
RFD stage.


Additionally, this option shall be included in any ballot should the 
committee so request, or if 4 or more people so petition, by e-
mailing control@usenet.org.uk, during the RFD stage.


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