09 Mar 2005: Microsoft Windows Group Overhaul
From: Alex Holden <msw-vote@alex-holden.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:05:06 +0000
Subject: RESULT: Microsoft Windows Group Overhaul; uk.comp.os.ms-windows PASSES
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.comp.misc,uk.comp.os.win95,uk.comp.os.win2000
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RESULT of Microsoft Windows Group Overhaul CFV
Summary: Removal of uk.comp.os.win95 and uk.comp.os.win2000 &
Creation of uk.comp.os.ms-windows (Option A) PASSES
by Condorcet vote
Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, Saturday 26th February 2005.
Proponent:
Barry Salter <barry (at) southie (dot) me (dot) uk>
Votetakers:
Alex Holden <msw-vote@alex-holden.org.uk>
Pedt Scragg <xmsw@pedt.demon.co.uk>
Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce
uk.net.news.config
uk.comp.misc
uk.comp.os.win95
uk.comp.os.win2000
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The full results follow below in the following order:
1) Information on the ballot
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetaker's Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Information
6) Rationale and Proposal (from the CFV)
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INFORMATION ON THE BALLOT
Voters were aked to vote on the following question:
Remove uk.comp.os.win2000 and uk.comp.os.win95 AND create a new
replacement newsgroup with the name as per one of the options
below?
The options you can choose from are:
Option A: remove old groups and create uk.comp.os.ms-windows
Option B: remove old groups and create uk.comp.os.windows
Option C: remove old groups and create uk.comp.os.msft-windows
Option D: remove old groups and create uk.comp.os.microsoft.windows
Option E: Re Open The Discussion
Option F: Status Quo (Keep Things As They Are)
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RESULTS
There were 51 emails received and archived by the UKVoting server to
the vote address, comprising of:
49 Valid and counted votes
1 Votes subsequently altered by the voter
1 Test mail by the votetaker
A full breakdown of the votes received appears later in this document.
Multi-option group creation votes in the uk.* hierarchy are decided by
a two-stage procedure. All options are first compared with votes for
the status quo (Keep things as they are,) and any which are not
preferred to SQ by the required margin of 12 votes are eliminated.
The remaining options, if any, are then evaluated by the Condorcet
method.
STAGE 1 - Options compared to Status Quo
Option A beat Option F by 42 votes to 4 (+38)
Option B beat Option F by 38 votes to 9 (+29)
Option C beat Option F by 23 votes to 19 (+4)
Option D beat Option F by 37 votes to 8 (+29)
Option E beat Option F by 33 votes to 9 (+24)
For an option to progress to the second stage of the count, it must
beat Status Quo by 12 votes or more. Only Option C failed to make
the required margin, and therefore Option C is eliminated.
STAGE 2 - Comparison of the remaining options
Option A preferred to option B by 26 votes to 20
Option A preferred to option D by 27 votes to 19
Option A preferred to option E by 43 votes to 4
Option A was preferred to all the other options, therefore Option A
is the Condorcet winner.
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
OA OB OC OD OE OF
Option A [na] [26] [46] [27] [43] [42]
Option B [20] [na] [40] [26] [37] [38]
Option C [ 1] [ 7] [na] [ 6] [21] [23]
Option D [19] [20] [37] [na] [36] [37]
Option E [ 4] [11] [24] [10] [na] [33]
Option F [ 4] [ 9] [19] [ 8] [ 9] [na]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the
option appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 26 voters
preferred Option A to Option B while 36 voters preferred Option D
to Option E
OPPOSITE COMPARISONS GRID
OpA OpB OpC OpD OpE OpF
Option A [n/a] [ 6] [ 45] [ 8] [ 39] [ 38]
Option B [ -6] [n/a] [ 33] [ 6] [ 26] [ 29]
Option C [-45] [-33] [n/a] [-31] [ -3] [ 4]
Option D [ -8] [ -6] [ 31] [n/a] [ 26] [ 29]
Option E [-39] [-26] [ 3] [-26] [n/a] [ 24]
Option F [-38] [-29] [ -4] [-29] [-24] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the
option appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes
which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's
column to the option appropriate to the number's row. For instance,
38 more people preferred Option A to Option F than preferred Option F
to Option A.
As shown by all the numbers in its row in the lower grid being
positive, and all the numbers in its column being negative, Option A
was preferred to all other options and hence wins the ballot.
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INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS
Notes:
1. Voters were asked to rank the options from 1 (highest) to 6
(lowest). Equal rankings are allowed. Any unranked options are ranked
equally as the least preferred option. One voter ranked lowest options
equally as 9, this vote was accepted as the voter's preference was
clearly indicated.
2. Voters used a variety of different marks (or lack of them) to
indicate unranked options. Irrespective of the actual character used,
all unranked options have been represented in the table by '-' (dash).
3. The votes column shows the ranking given by the voter to each
option.
For example:
ABCDEF
voter 1 123456
voter 2 -32124
Voter 1 ranked option A first, followed by option B, then option C
and so on through to option F last.
Voter 2 ranked Option D first, then ranked options C and E equal
second, then option B, option F and left option A unranked.
List of valid votes:
Votes
Name Email ABCDEF
==== ===== ======
Barry Salter snjguebcvfnshpxjvg#southie#em#ku 114423
Blippie chris#horse-back#oc#ku 326145
Brett Paul Dunbar brett#dimetrodon#demon#oc#ku 216543
Charles Lindsey chl#clerew#man#ca#ku 146231
Chris Wright listman#cgwright#demon#oc#ku 214356
Dave Hillam brillig#dsl#pipex#cmo 236145
Dave Johnson requiem#freeuk#cmo 456132
Dave Mason xmsw#broonzy#ogr#ku 316245
Dave Mills DMills#djmills#oc#ku 243156
David Aldred nr#familyaldred#ogr#ku 143265
David Mahon dmahon_vote_xmwin#amigo#oc#ku 416523
David Uri daviduri#bigfoot#cmo 314256
Dick Gaughan dickg#dickalba#demon#oc#ku 136254
Dr Zoidberg alex#drzoidberg#oc#ku 214356
Edward King eaking#ulape#ogr#ku 2133--
Geoff Berrow bl#ckdog#oc#ku 123645
Graham Drabble graham#drabble#lineone#etn 245133
Herbie herbie#orac1#fsnet#oc#ku 234156
Jeff Gaines jgaines_newsid#yahoo#oc#ku 126354
John Bean waterfoot#gmail#cmo 214536
John Hall john#jhall#oc#ku 152346
Keith Lawrence adsl#perrydell#cmo 1---2-
Kim Andrews somerat#hotmail#cmo 214356
Lt. Cmdr. Jim jim#us-lot#gro 214234
Marcus Houlden mh-spam#nukesoft#oc#ku 134356
Matt Holland matt#matt-holland#gro 265134
Maurice mbickers#netcomuk#oc#ku 325146
Mike Field Mike#Field#comlab#ox#ca#ku 456321
Mike Fleming mike#tauzero#oc#ku 314256
Mike Tullett mtullett#tiscali#oc#ku 314256
MJ Ray mjr#dsl#pipex#cmo 463512
Molly Mockford msw-vote#mollymockford#em#ku 124356
Nadeem bambi#sushi#oc#pj 2341--
Owen Rees owenrees#waitrose#cmo 112435
Paul Carpenter paul#pcserviceselectronics#oc#ku 326145
Paul Harper paul#harper#etn 234156
Paul Watman {voter}#watman#clara#oc#ku 165234
Pete Fenelon pete#fenelon#cmo 124365
Peter Duck pduck#zetnet#oc#ku 126345
Peter G Sheppard peter#petersheppard#cmo 216534
Peter Smyth psmyth#gmx#etn 314256
Philip Herlihy foof8501#herlihy#eu#cmo 219999
Richard Lamont richard#lamont#em#ku 162345
rwinstanley rjw#colsterworth#etn 616666
Ste news#steg#ogr#ku 12-34-
Stuart Millington xmwinvote2005#dsv1#oc#ku 256134
Thomas Lee
tfl#abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk#cmo
31-2--
Tim Sharrock tim#sharrock#ogr#ku 124365
Voters who Abstained:
Paul Cummins paul#cummins#ie#eu#gro
Total valid votes: 49
One vote was subsequently altered by the voter
One vote mail constituted a test by the votetaker prior to the start
of the vote.
Total vote mails received: 51
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VOTETAKER'S COMMENTS
Alex Holden:
This vote was a simple vote to count with a fair turnout.
Pedt Scragg:
Alex, as primary votetaker, conducted a model vote and there was
nothing for the secondary votetaker to do other than to double check
the final result.
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VOTING AND APPEAL GUIDELINES
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.
The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
<ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk
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RATIONALE AND PROPOSAL OF THE WINNING OPTION FROM THE CFV
RATIONALE
At present, there are groups for two specific versions of Microsoft
Windows, specifically uk.comp.os.win95 for Windows 95 and
uk.comp.os.win2000 for Windows 2000, with no group to discuss
earlier or future versions. This proposal seeks to address that
situation by creating a new group to cover ALL versions of
Microsoft Windows, past, present and future, and removing the two
existing groups.
CHARTER: uk.comp.os.ms-windows
This newsgroup is for the discussion of all aspects of the
Microsoft Windows operating system and GUI, with particular
reference to technical issues affecting users of the UK versions.
Valid topics include, but are not limited to, hardware
requirements, software compatibility, installation, maintenance and
Internet access.
Discussion of all versions of Microsoft Windows, past, present and
future, is on-topic, but discussion of versions of DOS, CP/M, OS/2,
or any other underlying operating system is specifically excluded,
as is discussion of the X11 system and its derivatives (commonly
referred to as XWindows).
Advertising
Advertising is forbidden.
Binaries & Formatting
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a
pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be
used where authentication is important and should be as short as
possible.
Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common
newsreaders comply with this, read
<http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
uk.comp.os.ms-windows Use of Microsoft Windows in the UK.
CHARTERS for groups to be REMOVED:
CURRENT CHARTER: uk.comp.os.win2000
This newsgroup is for the discussion of all aspects of Microsoft's
Windows 2000 operating system with particular reference to
technical issues affecting users of the UK release. Valid topics
include, but are not limited to, hardware requirements, software
compatibility, installation, maintenance and Internet access.
Windows NT, from which Windows 2000 was derived, and direct
decedents of Windows 2000 are on topic but discussion of the
Windows 9x and Windows 3.xx operating systems and their direct
descendants is specifically excluded.
This newsgroup wishes to be welcoming to new users who may be
unfamiliar both with Windows 2000 and with Usenet etiquette.
Common errors, e.g. articles written in HTML or containing upside
down quoting, should be corrected by experienced users but not
flamed.
The primary language for this newsgroup is English.
Advertising is strictly forbidden.
All messages must be formatted in plain text. Encoded binaries,
e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc., are forbidden except for
cryptographic signatures, e.g. PGP, which should be used
sparingly. Posting of URLs for binary material is acceptable.
All posts to this newsgroup should be in plain text. Attachments,
HTML and other types of formatted text are not permitted.
END CHARTER.
CURRENT CHARTER: uk.comp.os.win95
This group will be a forum for dicussion on any and all Win95
related issues. Intended principally for UK based users,
uk.comp.os.win95 would allow any technical issues, including, and
not limited to, hardware and software consideration, loading and
unloading, accessing the internet, and hardware compatibility.
It is expected that this group will attract new users of both
Windows 95 and the Internet. The group should therefore be tolerant
of the mistakes that new users are likely to make.
The group's language will be English.
The group specifically bars advertisements for hardware software
or services, job advertisements, binaries of any length and long
boring sigs.
END CHARTER.
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