Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!caladan!news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!not-for-mail From: Alex Holden Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.comp.misc,uk.comp.os.win95,uk.comp.os.win2000 Subject: RESULT: Microsoft Windows Group Overhaul; uk.comp.os.ms-windows PASSES Followup-To: poster Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:05:06 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: Chris Croughton as Control Approved: Chris Croughton as Control Supersedes: Lines: 386 NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2005 11:07:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.0.192.110 X-Trace: 1110452861 news.gradwell.net 38045 control/80.0.192.110 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@gradwell.net Xref: uni-berlin.de uk.net.news.announce:3320 uk.net.news.config:200758 uk.comp.misc:50305 uk.comp.os.win95:53307 uk.comp.os.win2000:18384 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT of Microsoft Windows Group Overhaul CFV Summary: Removal of uk.comp.os.win95 and uk.comp.os.win2000 & Creation of uk.comp.os.ms-windows (Option A) PASSES by Condorcet vote Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, Saturday 26th February 2005. Proponent: Barry Salter Votetakers: Alex Holden Pedt Scragg Distribution: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.comp.misc uk.comp.os.win95 uk.comp.os.win2000 ====================================================================== The full results follow below in the following order: 1) Information on the ballot 2) Results 3) Individual Vote Details 4) Votetaker's Comments 5) Voting and Appeal Information 6) Rationale and Proposal (from the CFV) ====================================================================== INFORMATION ON THE BALLOT Voters were aked to vote on the following question: Remove uk.comp.os.win2000 and uk.comp.os.win95 AND create a new replacement newsgroup with the name as per one of the options below? The options you can choose from are: Option A: remove old groups and create uk.comp.os.ms-windows Option B: remove old groups and create uk.comp.os.windows Option C: remove old groups and create uk.comp.os.msft-windows Option D: remove old groups and create uk.comp.os.microsoft.windows Option E: Re Open The Discussion Option F: Status Quo (Keep Things As They Are) ====================================================================== RESULTS There were 51 emails received and archived by the UKVoting server to the vote address, comprising of: 49 Valid and counted votes 1 Votes subsequently altered by the voter 1 Test mail by the votetaker A full breakdown of the votes received appears later in this document. Multi-option group creation votes in the uk.* hierarchy are decided by a two-stage procedure. All options are first compared with votes for the status quo (Keep things as they are,) and any which are not preferred to SQ by the required margin of 12 votes are eliminated. The remaining options, if any, are then evaluated by the Condorcet method. STAGE 1 - Options compared to Status Quo Option A beat Option F by 42 votes to 4 (+38) Option B beat Option F by 38 votes to 9 (+29) Option C beat Option F by 23 votes to 19 (+4) Option D beat Option F by 37 votes to 8 (+29) Option E beat Option F by 33 votes to 9 (+24) For an option to progress to the second stage of the count, it must beat Status Quo by 12 votes or more. Only Option C failed to make the required margin, and therefore Option C is eliminated. STAGE 2 - Comparison of the remaining options Option A preferred to option B by 26 votes to 20 Option A preferred to option D by 27 votes to 19 Option A preferred to option E by 43 votes to 4 Option A was preferred to all the other options, therefore Option A is the Condorcet winner. RAW PREFERENCES GRID OA OB OC OD OE OF Option A [na] [26] [46] [27] [43] [42] Option B [20] [na] [40] [26] [37] [38] Option C [ 1] [ 7] [na] [ 6] [21] [23] Option D [19] [20] [37] [na] [36] [37] Option E [ 4] [11] [24] [10] [na] [33] Option F [ 4] [ 9] [19] [ 8] [ 9] [na] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 26 voters preferred Option A to Option B while 36 voters preferred Option D to Option E OPPOSITE COMPARISONS GRID OpA OpB OpC OpD OpE OpF Option A [n/a] [ 6] [ 45] [ 8] [ 39] [ 38] Option B [ -6] [n/a] [ 33] [ 6] [ 26] [ 29] Option C [-45] [-33] [n/a] [-31] [ -3] [ 4] Option D [ -8] [ -6] [ 31] [n/a] [ 26] [ 29] Option E [-39] [-26] [ 3] [-26] [n/a] [ 24] Option F [-38] [-29] [ -4] [-29] [-24] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's column to the option appropriate to the number's row. For instance, 38 more people preferred Option A to Option F than preferred Option F to Option A. As shown by all the numbers in its row in the lower grid being positive, and all the numbers in its column being negative, Option A was preferred to all other options and hence wins the ballot. ====================================================================== INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS Notes: 1. Voters were asked to rank the options from 1 (highest) to 6 (lowest). Equal rankings are allowed. Any unranked options are ranked equally as the least preferred option. One voter ranked lowest options equally as 9, this vote was accepted as the voter's preference was clearly indicated. 2. Voters used a variety of different marks (or lack of them) to indicate unranked options. Irrespective of the actual character used, all unranked options have been represented in the table by '-' (dash). 3. The votes column shows the ranking given by the voter to each option. For example: ABCDEF voter 1 123456 voter 2 -32124 Voter 1 ranked option A first, followed by option B, then option C and so on through to option F last. Voter 2 ranked Option D first, then ranked options C and E equal second, then option B, option F and left option A unranked. List of valid votes: Votes Name Email ABCDEF ==== ===== ====== Barry Salter snjguebcvfnshpxjvg#southie#em#ku 114423 Blippie chris#horse-back#oc#ku 326145 Brett Paul Dunbar brett#dimetrodon#demon#oc#ku 216543 Charles Lindsey chl#clerew#man#ca#ku 146231 Chris Wright listman#cgwright#demon#oc#ku 214356 Dave Hillam brillig#dsl#pipex#cmo 236145 Dave Johnson requiem#freeuk#cmo 456132 Dave Mason xmsw#broonzy#ogr#ku 316245 Dave Mills DMills#djmills#oc#ku 243156 David Aldred nr#familyaldred#ogr#ku 143265 David Mahon dmahon_vote_xmwin#amigo#oc#ku 416523 David Uri daviduri#bigfoot#cmo 314256 Dick Gaughan dickg#dickalba#demon#oc#ku 136254 Dr Zoidberg alex#drzoidberg#oc#ku 214356 Edward King eaking#ulape#ogr#ku 2133-- Geoff Berrow bl#ckdog#oc#ku 123645 Graham Drabble graham#drabble#lineone#etn 245133 Herbie herbie#orac1#fsnet#oc#ku 234156 Jeff Gaines jgaines_newsid#yahoo#oc#ku 126354 John Bean waterfoot#gmail#cmo 214536 John Hall john#jhall#oc#ku 152346 Keith Lawrence adsl#perrydell#cmo 1---2- Kim Andrews somerat#hotmail#cmo 214356 Lt. Cmdr. Jim jim#us-lot#gro 214234 Marcus Houlden mh-spam#nukesoft#oc#ku 134356 Matt Holland matt#matt-holland#gro 265134 Maurice mbickers#netcomuk#oc#ku 325146 Mike Field Mike#Field#comlab#ox#ca#ku 456321 Mike Fleming mike#tauzero#oc#ku 314256 Mike Tullett mtullett#tiscali#oc#ku 314256 MJ Ray mjr#dsl#pipex#cmo 463512 Molly Mockford msw-vote#mollymockford#em#ku 124356 Nadeem bambi#sushi#oc#pj 2341-- Owen Rees owenrees#waitrose#cmo 112435 Paul Carpenter paul#pcserviceselectronics#oc#ku 326145 Paul Harper paul#harper#etn 234156 Paul Watman {voter}#watman#clara#oc#ku 165234 Pete Fenelon pete#fenelon#cmo 124365 Peter Duck pduck#zetnet#oc#ku 126345 Peter G Sheppard peter#petersheppard#cmo 216534 Peter Smyth psmyth#gmx#etn 314256 Philip Herlihy foof8501#herlihy#eu#cmo 219999 Richard Lamont richard#lamont#em#ku 162345 rwinstanley rjw#colsterworth#etn 616666 Ste news#steg#ogr#ku 12-34- Stuart Millington xmwinvote2005#dsv1#oc#ku 256134 Thomas Lee tfl#abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk#cmo 31-2-- Tim Sharrock tim#sharrock#ogr#ku 124365 Voters who Abstained: Paul Cummins paul#cummins#ie#eu#gro Total valid votes: 49 One vote was subsequently altered by the voter One vote mail constituted a test by the votetaker prior to the start of the vote. Total vote mails received: 51 ====================================================================== VOTETAKER'S COMMENTS Alex Holden: This vote was a simple vote to count with a fair turnout. Pedt Scragg: Alex, as primary votetaker, conducted a model vote and there was nothing for the secondary votetaker to do other than to double check the final result. ====================================================================== VOTING AND APPEAL GUIDELINES This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk ====================================================================== RATIONALE AND PROPOSAL OF THE WINNING OPTION FROM THE CFV RATIONALE At present, there are groups for two specific versions of Microsoft Windows, specifically uk.comp.os.win95 for Windows 95 and uk.comp.os.win2000 for Windows 2000, with no group to discuss earlier or future versions. This proposal seeks to address that situation by creating a new group to cover ALL versions of Microsoft Windows, past, present and future, and removing the two existing groups. CHARTER: uk.comp.os.ms-windows This newsgroup is for the discussion of all aspects of the Microsoft Windows operating system and GUI, with particular reference to technical issues affecting users of the UK versions. Valid topics include, but are not limited to, hardware requirements, software compatibility, installation, maintenance and Internet access. Discussion of all versions of Microsoft Windows, past, present and future, is on-topic, but discussion of versions of DOS, CP/M, OS/2, or any other underlying operating system is specifically excluded, as is discussion of the X11 system and its derivatives (commonly referred to as XWindows). Advertising Advertising is forbidden. Binaries & Formatting Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where authentication is important and should be as short as possible. Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common newsreaders comply with this, read . NEWSGROUPS LINE: uk.comp.os.ms-windows Use of Microsoft Windows in the UK. CHARTERS for groups to be REMOVED: CURRENT CHARTER: uk.comp.os.win2000 This newsgroup is for the discussion of all aspects of Microsoft's Windows 2000 operating system with particular reference to technical issues affecting users of the UK release. Valid topics include, but are not limited to, hardware requirements, software compatibility, installation, maintenance and Internet access. Windows NT, from which Windows 2000 was derived, and direct decedents of Windows 2000 are on topic but discussion of the Windows 9x and Windows 3.xx operating systems and their direct descendants is specifically excluded. This newsgroup wishes to be welcoming to new users who may be unfamiliar both with Windows 2000 and with Usenet etiquette. Common errors, e.g. articles written in HTML or containing upside down quoting, should be corrected by experienced users but not flamed. The primary language for this newsgroup is English. Advertising is strictly forbidden. All messages must be formatted in plain text. Encoded binaries, e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc., are forbidden except for cryptographic signatures, e.g. PGP, which should be used sparingly. Posting of URLs for binary material is acceptable. All posts to this newsgroup should be in plain text. Attachments, HTML and other types of formatted text are not permitted. END CHARTER. CURRENT CHARTER: uk.comp.os.win95 This group will be a forum for dicussion on any and all Win95 related issues. Intended principally for UK based users, uk.comp.os.win95 would allow any technical issues, including, and not limited to, hardware and software consideration, loading and unloading, accessing the internet, and hardware compatibility. It is expected that this group will attract new users of both Windows 95 and the Internet. The group should therefore be tolerant of the mistakes that new users are likely to make. The group's language will be English. 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