05 Nov 2003: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.providers.aaisp
From: Barry Salter <xisp01-query@salterg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:10:24 +0000
Subject: RESULT : Create uk.net.providers.aaisp PASSES
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net,alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp,uk.net.providers
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RESULT - Creation of Andrews and Arnold ISP group passes
Summary of results:
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The six options were:
Option A : Create uk.net.providers.aaisp
Option B : Create uk.net.providers.andrews+arnold
Option C : Create uk.net.providers.andrews-arnold
Option D : Create uk.net.providers.andrewsandarnold
Re-Open Discussion
Status Quo
STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:
Option A preferred to Status Quo by 94 votes to 39
Option B preferred to Status Quo by 76 votes to 44
Option C preferred to Status Quo by 74 votes to 45
Option D preferred to Status Quo by 75 votes to 46
Status Quo preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 56 votes to 54
All options except Re-Open Discussion beat Status Quo by at least 12
votes, so Re-Open Discussion is eliminated and the remaining options
continue to Stage Two.
STAGE TWO - Comparison of the remaining options:
Option A preferred to Option B by 95 votes to 17
Option A preferred to Option C by 96 votes to 15
Option A preferred to Option D by 94 votes to 18
Option B preferred to Option C by 62 votes to 9
Option B preferred to Option D by 57 votes to 25
Option D preferred to Option C by 47 votes to 31
Option A was preferred to all the other options, therefore the group
uk.net.providers.aaisp is the Condorcet winner and, subject to any
appeals, will be created with the charter as given below.
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 20th October 2003
Primary Votetaker: Barry Salter <xisp01-query at salterg.demon.co.uk>
Secondary Votetaker: Alex Holden <sxisp01 at alex-holden.org.uk>
Proponent : David Mahon <dmahonRFD at amigo.co.uk>
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Distribution:
These results have been posted to the following newsgroups:
uk.net.news.announce
uk.net.news.config
uk.net
alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp
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The Results:
The results follow below in the following order:
1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale & Proposal
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SUMMARY OF MAIL RECEIVED DURING THE VOTING PERIOD
169 messages were received to the Ballot Request Address, of which:
167 were valid Ballot Requests
1 resulted in a Ballot Paper being sent to the Request address as it
had the Ballot Request address in the Subject Header of the request
message
1 was the Ballot Paper generated by the previous message
143 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which:
141 were valid Votes [5 of which superseded previous votes]
1 was deemed invalid by the votetakers
1 was the Ballot Paper generated by the loop mentioned above
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RESULTS:
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
A B C D ROD SQ
Option A [n/a] [ 95] [ 96] [ 94] [ 98] [ 94]
Option B [ 17] [n/a] [ 62] [ 57] [ 76] [ 76]
Option C [ 15] [ 9] [n/a] [ 31] [ 70] [ 74]
Option D [ 18] [ 25] [ 47] [n/a] [ 73] [ 75]
ROD [ 30] [ 40] [ 45] [ 43] [n/a] [ 54]
Status Quo [ 39] [ 44] [ 45] [ 46] [ 56] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 95 votes preferred
Option A (unp.aaisp) to Option B (unp.andrews+arnold) while 54 votes
preferred reopening the discussion to the Status Quo.
OPPOSITE COMPARISONS GRID
A B C D ROD SQ
Option A [n/a] [ 78] [ 81] [ 76] [ 68] [ 55]
Option B [-78] [n/a] [ 53] [ 32] [ 36] [ 32]
Option C [-81] [-53] [n/a] [-16] [ 25] [ 29]
Option D [-76] [-32] [ 16] [n/a] [ 30] [ 29]
ROD [-68] [-36] [-25] [-30] [n/a] [ -2]
Status Quo [-55] [-32] [-29] [-29] [ 2] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's column to the option
appropriate to the number's row. For instance, 55 more people preferred
Option A to Status Quo than preferred Status Quo to Option A.
As shown by all the numbers in its row in the lower grid being positive,
Option A (uk.net.providers.aaisp) was preferred to all other options and
hence wins the ballot.
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INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS
Status Quo --------+
Re-Open Discussion -------+|
Option D : Create uk.net.providers.andrewsandarnold ------+||
Option C : Create uk.net.providers.andrews-arnold -----+|||
Option B : Create uk.net.providers.andrews+arnold ----+||||
Option A : Create uk.net.providers.aaisp ---+|||||
Name Address ||||||
^Thunder^ Thunder#ukessex,gro,ku 666621
{R} {newsnospam}#semolina,gro 654321
Adrian Kennard a#k,gg XAAAAA
Alec McKenzie mckenzie#despammed,moc 123456
Alex alex#letmethink,oc,ku 133265
Alex D. Baxter alex-news#oenone,demon,oc,ku 222221
Alex Monro alexm#pobox,moc 124356
Andrew Black andrew-v#black1,gro,ku 13425A
Andrew Clayton andrew#digital-domain,ten 123465
Andrew Cundiff andrew#cundiff,oc,ku 125346
Andrew Hodgson andrew#hodgsonfamily,gro 132546
Andrew McDonald andrew#mcdonald,gro,ku 125436
Andrew Stoker andrew#peek-a-boo,gro,ku AAAA21
Andy Norman andy#norman,xc 233166
Anthony Edwards anthony#catfish,nildram,oc,ku 635421
Anthony Gold bigfoot#davros,gro 124356
Badger badger#housemartin,f9,oc,ku AAAAA1
Barry Dorrans barryd#idunno,gro 666621
Bob Eager rde#tavi,oc,ku 124356
Bob Foulger bob#bobfoulger,oc,ku 124365
Bob Scott bob#Bobandaileen,oc,ku AAAA21
Brett Paul Dunbar brett#dimetrodon,demon,oc,ku 222221
Brian Brian#bjforster,force9,oc,ku 666621
BWGames me#bwgames,ten 146532
C J Eager eagec002#medway,gro,ku 134256
Chris Hill news1#plantain,gro,ku 12A3AA
Cliff Hones voter#cliff,hones,gro,ku 133245
Clive Feather clive#davros,gro AAAA21
Clive R Robertson providers1#clive,gro,ku 124356
Daniel James unpavote#sonadata,oc,ku 145236
Dave Johnson requiem#freeuk,moc 433321
Dave Mason xisp01#sarnie,gro,ku 666621
Dave Mayall dave#research-group,oc,ku 533421
Dave Williams dave#clues,moc AAAAA1
David Jolley white#lucien,xc 123456
David Mahon dmahon_vote_xisp01#amigo,oc,ku 146523
David Nesbitt newsreply2#charlecote,gro,ku 123465
David Small davids#4oceans,moc 133254
David Taylor davidt-news#yadt,oc,ku 123456
Dick Gaughan dickg#dickalba,demon,oc,ku 645321
Duncan Gibb dg#duncangibb,moc 1AA23A
Edward King eaking#ulape,gro,ku A111A2
Eusa eusahues#coresystems,gro,ku 133526
Fearghas McKay fm#st-kilda,gro 144465
fred fred#fredc,demon,oc,ku 124356
Gareth Jayne gaz#gazmond,oc,ku 144456
Graham Murray newspost#gmurray,gro,ku 123465
Hugh Pritchard Hugh,Pritchard#AdvancedTechnologyLtd,oc,ku XAAAAA
Iain McWilliams iain#duckend,gro,ku 124466
Iain Paton nospam1#darkvoyage,gro,ku 123465
Ian Jackson ijackson#chiark,greenend,gro,ku 634521
Ian Stocks ian#testbox2,oc,ku 122234
J.H. Man jman#home,gro 122234
James Farrar londonstatto#yahoo,oc,ku 635421
JBM jpb8#duke,ude 124356
jeff mcghie jeff#mcghie,em,ku 144423
Jeff Taylor jeff#clearview,cix,oc,ku 143256
Jim Crowther jim#crowfam,gro,ku 133324
John Bean john#waterfoot,gro AAAAA1
John Burton john,burton#jbmail,moc 1234AA
John Green aaisp-vote#giggled,gro 134256
John Hobson john#jphob,globalnet,oc,ku 134562
John Laird john#laird-towers,gro,ku 122256
John Phillips news0309#mainly,em,ku 124365
John Reid john,reid#jazza,demon,oc,ku 123465
Jon Atkins jon#jonatkins,moc 113356
Jon Evans jon,evans#pobox,moc 124356
Julian Coleman jdc#coris,gro,ku 1AAAAA
Julie Brandon julie-vote#computergeeks,oc,ku 125346
kat katnews#ntlworld,moc 222261
Keith Lawrence adsl#perrydell,moc 123456
Ken Green Ken,Green#kgcc,oc,ku 1223AA
Kevin Andreoli kevin#andreoli,oc,ku 654321
Kevin Hones kev#watchfront,oc,ku 122233
lazarus mfvc50#dsl,pipex,moc 134256
Lt. Cmdr. Jim jim#us-lot,gro 111121
Lucas Maneos ukvoting#subs,maneos,gro 133244
Malcolm Franks malcolm,franks#btinternet,moc 123456
Malcolm Mladenovic ukvotes#tinc,gro,ku 124351
Mark Goodge mark#good-stuff,oc,ku 422231
Mark Knight markk#knigma,gro 166666
Mark May voting#tamani,gro 1AAAAA
Martin Cooper usenetspam#martinc,em,ku 122534
Martin Ebourne martin#zepler,gro 124356
Matchstick matchstick#oofg,moc 12345A
Matthew Balyuzi matthew#balyuzi,ten 122345
Matthew Seaman m,seaman#infracaninophile,oc,ku 122266
Mike Fleming mike#tauzero,oc,ku 333312
Mike Mann mike#kempston,ten 134256
Mike Tullett miketullett#ntlworld,moc 634521
Mike Zanker mike#zanker,gro 124356
Neil McCalden nm#zizz,gro 122234
Neil Pollicott neil#cti-uk,moc 134526
Nick Barnes nick#bcn-it,oc,ku 166666
Nick Perry nick,perry#amulation,oc,ku 342156
paul {voter}#watman,clara,oc,ku AAAAA1
Paul xml#mailandnews,moc 1AAAAA
Paul Booth pabooth#grumpy,oc,ku 666661
Paul Cummins committee#cummins,ie,eu,gro 1AAA66
Paul Giverin paul#giverin,oc,ku 654321
Paul Harper paul#harper,ten 666621
Paul Hilder pjhilder#yahoo,oc,ku 132456
Paul Lettington usenetspam#plett,oc,ku 324156
Paul Williams flo#uk,thalesgroup,moc 123354
Pedt pedt#dontspame,moc AAAA21
Pekka P. Pirinen ppp#pirinen,demon,oc,ku 111121
Pete Fenelon pete#fenelon,moc AAAA21
Pete The Gardener pete_the_gardener#hotmail,moc 636621
Peter Gradwell peter#gradwell,moc 1AAAAA
Peter Hutchinson peter#hcs-ltd,ten 142356
Peter Maydell pmaydell#chiark,greenend,gro,ku 123456
Peter Smyth psmyth#ukf,ten 635421
Philip Powell philip#blencathra,gro,ku A1A243
Richard Clayton richard#highwayman,moc 365421
Richard Lamont richard#lamont,em,ku 124356
Richard Smith spam_all_you_want#yahoo,moc 133324
Rick Payne rickp#rossfell,oc,ku 166666
Robert Woolley rob#robertwoolley,oc,ku 1234AA
Ross Nicol ross-vote#ran,gro,ku 134265
Roy Holt enginehouse#ntlworld,moc 134265
Ryan Osborne ryan#sproutt,moc 166666
Scott Taylor taylorscott67#yahoo,oc,ku 123645
Sean McKee sean#aa,un xAAAAA
Shaun Kemp shaun,kemp#aaisp,ten,ku YAAAAA
Stan Dorrington stan,dorrington#ianwilliams,oc,ku 122266
Stephen Diston S,Diston#Menaces,Freeserve,oc,ku 134526
Steve Firth voting#malloc,oc,ku 566621
Steve Purdy vote-20031001#roundtuit,gro,ku 166634
Terry Boon terry#counterfactual,gro 1234AA
thomas lee tfl#psp,oc,ku 645321
Thomas Sandford ${thomas/03$}#paradisegreen,oc,ku 12453A
Tim Lee Tim#datapath,oc,ku 1342AA
Tom Hughes tom#compton,un 123456
Tony Walton tony,walton#sun,moc 666621
victoria acres victoria#aaisp,ten,ku xAAAAA
Wm tcnw61#tarrcity,demon,oc,ku 666621
Key: A = Abstain/No Preference
INVALID VOTES
bib bib_aab#hotmail,moc
Voted with Yes and No instead of ranking votes
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Votetakers Comments:
Primary Votetaker:-
Following the Swen attack experienced on recent votes, I opted to munge
all of the addresses in the CFV, including those in the headers. Some
software was confused by this (and rightly so, as the headers were not
compliant with RFCs) and for this I apologise.
The vote was also affected by severe delays in Demon Internet's mail
system, which meant I didn't receive some votes until nearly 4 days
after they were posted. [See news:demon.service passim] As soon as I
discovered this delay was occuring, I changed the forwarding for the
voting addresses to use my personal mail server rather than rely on
Demon's mail system, so the remaining votes were received in a timely
manner.
It is interesting to note that, whilst 167 valid ballot requests were
received, only 141 valid votes were cast.
Furthermore, a number of Andrews & Arnold staff, failed to follow the
voting instructions correctly. As they had expressed a preference for
only one of the options, however, it was decided to count their votes
as valid. Given the source of the votes, and the fact that they had all
voted in the same way, I was concerned as to their validity under the
voting guidelines, so performed some further checks. All four voters had
a separate posting history, though a couple hadn't posted for some time,
so I decided to allow the votes.
One voter who failed to read the voting instructions treated each option
as a separate Y/N vote, and failed to resubmit his vote when
informed that it was invalid.
Secondary Votetaker:-
Due to the large number of votes, I assisted Barry with validating the
voter identities. I did not make a determination as to whether or not
the preferences cast were valid or not. I did notice an anomaly:
Whilst voters can vote for one preference if they so wish - thus ranking
all the other options *equally* below their first preference, I have
never to my knowledge seen a voter use "X" to identify their first and
only preference. To therefore see four individuals use "X" to identify
their only preference was a suprise, and those votes were subject to a
more rigorous examination, as I personally question whether or not four
individuals had the same independent thought of ignoring instructions
in exactly the same way.
Given the source of those votes (see Barry's comments,) I had doubts
over whether or not four individuals casted four votes. I raised those
doubts with the Barry as primary votetaker who conducted a full
investigation.
Given the extremely large number of votes cast, I believe Barry should
be thanked for the extra effort required in handling this vote.
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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in
the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
<ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control at usenet.org.uk.
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RATIONALE:
The group alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp already exists for discussion
of the Internet Service Provider named AAISP (Andrews & Arnold). It is a
very lively group, however alt.* does not always offer the best
propagation everywhere and occasionally it becomes apparent that there
are problems getting some ISPs to carry the group.
As the ISP is based in the UK and caters mainly for a UK client base, it
seems sensible to have the group based in the uk.* hierarchy where it
should be well propagated.
This proposal has the support of the ISP.
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NEWSGROUPS LINE:
uk.net.providers.aaisp AAISP (Andrews & Arnold) discussion
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CHARTER: uk.net.providers.aaisp
This group is for discussion of issues relating to the Internet Service
Provider AAISP (Andrews & Arnold). This includes, but is not limited to,
help with services, discussion of new products and notification of
outages.
Advertising
Advertising is forbidden.
Binaries & Formatting
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden.
Posts must be readable as plain text. PGP signatures may be used, if
necessary, for proof of identity.
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