25 Apr 2017: uk.radio.amateur (remove)

From: Graham Drabble <g.drabble@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 08:28:41 +0100
Subject: RESULT - Delete newsgroup uk.radio.amateur FAILS 15:37
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.radio.amateur


                        RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Delete newsgroup uk.radio.amateur

Delete newsgroup uk.radio.amateur FAILS 15:37

NO beat YES by a majority of 22 votes. For the proposal to succeed,
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 17th December 2014.

Proponent : "Clive White" <whiteclive64@gmail.com>
Votetaker: Graham Drabble <g.drabble@ukvoting.org.uk>

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These results have been posted to the following newsgroups:


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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale
7) Newsgroups Line
8) Proposal

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 71 messages were received to the Ballot Request Address, of which:

 70 were valid Ballot Requests
  1 was a test message sent by the votetaker
 57 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which:

 54 were valid and counted votes
  2 were deemed invalid due to being from an organisation not an individual
  1 was a repeat vote

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Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated

    YES : 15 votes
     NO : 37 votes
ABSTAIN :  2 vote
  Total : 54 votes

NO beat YES by a majority of 22 votes. For the proposal to succeed,
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal

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Voted YES (15)

crn-{at}-netunix'com                         crn
dave'g4ugm-{at}-gmail'com                    David Wade
deckchair-{at}-bigfoot'com                   CyniC
g8osn-{at}-yahoo'co'uk                       Brian Reay
geraldine'stewart-{at}-ntlworld'com          geraldine stewart
gm4tyr-{at}-gmail'com                        James Smith
iqbaluppalsalam-{at}-gmail'com               Iqbal Uppal
john'whittingtonpain-{at}-gmail'com          John
lenjames48-{at}-yahoo'com                    Leonard James
m0cef-{at}-linuxmail'org                     Jan-Martin Hertzsch
mike-{at}-jasper'org'uk                      Mike Tomlinson
rodnewtonradio-{at}-gmail'com                Rod Newton
roger+urcm201703-{at}-nospam'firedrake'org   Roger Bell_West
steve't'cole-{at}-gmail'com                  Stephen Thomas Cole
whiteclive64-{at}-gmail'com                  Clive White

Voted NO (37)

Aero'Spike-{at}-mail'com                     Spike
Brian-{at}-bjforster'force9'co'uk            Brian
a24061a-{at}-ducksburg'com                   Adam Funk
anoneyemouse-{at}-eml'cc                     A, non Eyemouse
bdm-{at}-fenrir'org'uk                       Brian Morrison
brian-{at}-b-howie'demon'co'uk               Brian Howie
clive-{at}-evil-c'co'uk                      Clive George
damerell-{at}-chiark'greenend'org'uk         David Damerell
frank-{at}-turner-smith'co'uk                FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
g7iii-{at}-g7iii'net                         Iain Young G7III
g8izy-{at}-blueyonder'co'uk                  Steve
gi8lbp-{at}-gi4gov'plus'com                  gi8lbp
home-{at}-fairfieldtowers'net                Pedt
ian'clifton-{at}-chem'ox'ac'uk               Ian Clifton
ianjackson-{at}-g3ohx'co'uk                  Ian
ijackson-{at}-chiark'greenend'org'uk         Ian Jackson
jim'gm4dhj-{at}-ntlworld'com                 jim gm4dhj
jkw-{at}-tesco'net                           John Wilson
jstuckle-{at}-attglobal'net                  Jerry Stuckle
lehun-{at}-clara'co'uk                       Alan LeHun
matthew-{at}-debian'org                      Matthew Vernon
mike-{at}-tauzero'co'uk                      Mike Fleming
mike-{at}-urgle'com                          Mike Bristow
mw3qro-{at}-gmail'com                        mw3qro
news-{at}-thenyes'org'uk                     Graham Nye
nospam-{at}-ntlworld'com                     Rob Morley
not-for-mail-{at}-ahjg'co'uk                 Anthony Gold
owend-{at}-chiark'greenend'org'uk            Owen Dunn
owenrees-{at}-fastmail'fm                    Owen Rees
paulcummins-{at}-tiscali'co'uk               Paul Cummins
rjk-{at}-terraraq'uk                         Richard Kettlewell
roger-{at}-hayter'org                        Roger Hayter
snipeco'2-{at}-gmail'com                     Sn!pe  aka  g8dgc
urarmgrp-{at}-mollymockford'me'uk            Molly Mockford
usenet-{at}-chronos'org'uk                   Chronos
voting-{at}-255soft'uk                       junk
{voter}-{at}-watman'clara'co'uk              paul

Voted ABSTAIN (2)

llymru-{at}-gmail'com                        llymru
pschleck-{at}-novia'net                      Paul W, Schleck

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Votetakers Comments:

Generally fairly straightforward vote with a clear result.

Appologies for the delay in getting results repaired, Easter break
got in the way.

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The newsgroup uk.radio.amateur should be removed from the hierarchy as
it has irretrievably descended into a group where trolling, flames and
personal attacks make up the vast majority (regularly to the point of
100%) of posted content. The trolling and attacks routinely spill over
from uk.radio.amateur into other newsgroups in the UK hierarchy and
Big 8, ruining innocent bystanders enjoyment of usenet. There is no
realistic expectation that the trolls' behaviour will change. The
group has been this way for many years already. The impact on the UK
hierarchy management newsgroups has been particularly bad with them
often rendered unusable for days or weeks at a time. This is arguably
a direct threat to the credibility and future of the hierarchy.

There now exists a second amateur radio group in UK,
uk.radio.amateur.moderated. Any users of uk.radio.amateur who wish to
discuss amateur radio on UK are able to do so there. There are also
many other unmoderated amateur radio newsgroups in other hierarchies,
including free.uk.amateur-radio. Removing uk.radio.amateur from UK
will not deprive anybody of the opportunity to discuss amateur radio
on Usenet but it will deprive the trolls of their long-term base. It
will also remove a direct threat and nuisance to UK and its users.

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uk.radio.amateur	Amateur radio and related matters

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