Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Graham Drabble Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.radio.amateur Subject: RESULT - Delete newsgroup uk.radio.amateur FAILS 15:37 Followup-To: uk.net.news.config Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 08:28:41 +0100 Lines: 217 Sender: Matthew Vernon as Control Approved: Matthew Vernon as Control Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: chiark.greenend.org.uk X-Trace: chiark.greenend.org.uk 1493105351 15177 212.13.197.229 (25 Apr 2017 07:29:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chiark.greenend.org.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 07:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Originator: @endpoint.empire.pick.ucam.org ([172.16.22.12]) Xref: news.eternal-september.org uk.net.news.announce:820 uk.net.news.config:36677 uk.radio.amateur:292134 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: Delete newsgroup uk.radio.amateur Delete newsgroup uk.radio.amateur FAILS 15:37 NO beat YES by a majority of 22 votes. For the proposal to succeed, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 17th December 2014. Proponent : "Clive White" Votetaker: Graham Drabble - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Distribution: These results have been posted to the following newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.radio.amateur - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period 2) Results 3) Individual Vote Details 4) Votetakers Comments 5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 6) Rationale 7) Newsgroups Line 8) Proposal - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SUMMARY OF MAIL RECEIVED DURING THE VOTING PERIOD 71 messages were received to the Ballot Request Address, of which: 70 were valid Ballot Requests 1 was a test message sent by the votetaker 57 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which: 54 were valid and counted votes 2 were deemed invalid due to being from an organisation not an individual 1 was a repeat vote - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RESULTS: Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated YES : 15 votes NO : 37 votes ABSTAIN : 2 vote Total : 54 votes NO beat YES by a majority of 22 votes. For the proposal to succeed, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS Voted YES (15) ============== crn-{at}-netunix'com crn dave'g4ugm-{at}-gmail'com David Wade deckchair-{at}-bigfoot'com CyniC g8osn-{at}-yahoo'co'uk Brian Reay geraldine'stewart-{at}-ntlworld'com geraldine stewart gm4tyr-{at}-gmail'com James Smith iqbaluppalsalam-{at}-gmail'com Iqbal Uppal john'whittingtonpain-{at}-gmail'com John lenjames48-{at}-yahoo'com Leonard James m0cef-{at}-linuxmail'org Jan-Martin Hertzsch mike-{at}-jasper'org'uk Mike Tomlinson rodnewtonradio-{at}-gmail'com Rod Newton roger+urcm201703-{at}-nospam'firedrake'org Roger Bell_West steve't'cole-{at}-gmail'com Stephen Thomas Cole whiteclive64-{at}-gmail'com Clive White Voted NO (37) ============= Aero'Spike-{at}-mail'com Spike Brian-{at}-bjforster'force9'co'uk Brian a24061a-{at}-ducksburg'com Adam Funk anoneyemouse-{at}-eml'cc A, non Eyemouse bdm-{at}-fenrir'org'uk Brian Morrison brian-{at}-b-howie'demon'co'uk Brian Howie clive-{at}-evil-c'co'uk Clive George damerell-{at}-chiark'greenend'org'uk David Damerell frank-{at}-turner-smith'co'uk FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI g7iii-{at}-g7iii'net Iain Young G7III g8izy-{at}-blueyonder'co'uk Steve gi8lbp-{at}-gi4gov'plus'com gi8lbp home-{at}-fairfieldtowers'net Pedt ian'clifton-{at}-chem'ox'ac'uk Ian Clifton ianjackson-{at}-g3ohx'co'uk Ian ijackson-{at}-chiark'greenend'org'uk Ian Jackson jim'gm4dhj-{at}-ntlworld'com jim gm4dhj jkw-{at}-tesco'net John Wilson jstuckle-{at}-attglobal'net Jerry Stuckle lehun-{at}-clara'co'uk Alan LeHun matthew-{at}-debian'org Matthew Vernon mike-{at}-tauzero'co'uk Mike Fleming mike-{at}-urgle'com Mike Bristow mw3qro-{at}-gmail'com mw3qro news-{at}-thenyes'org'uk Graham Nye nospam-{at}-ntlworld'com Rob Morley not-for-mail-{at}-ahjg'co'uk Anthony Gold owend-{at}-chiark'greenend'org'uk Owen Dunn owenrees-{at}-fastmail'fm Owen Rees paulcummins-{at}-tiscali'co'uk Paul Cummins rjk-{at}-terraraq'uk Richard Kettlewell roger-{at}-hayter'org Roger Hayter snipeco'2-{at}-gmail'com Sn!pe aka g8dgc urarmgrp-{at}-mollymockford'me'uk Molly Mockford usenet-{at}-chronos'org'uk Chronos voting-{at}-255soft'uk junk {voter}-{at}-watman'clara'co'uk paul Voted ABSTAIN (2) ================= llymru-{at}-gmail'com llymru pschleck-{at}-novia'net Paul W, Schleck - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Votetakers Comments: Generally fairly straightforward vote with a clear result. Appologies for the delay in getting results repaired, Easter break got in the way. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control (at) usenet (dot) org (dot) uk. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RATIONALE The newsgroup uk.radio.amateur should be removed from the hierarchy as it has irretrievably descended into a group where trolling, flames and personal attacks make up the vast majority (regularly to the point of 100%) of posted content. The trolling and attacks routinely spill over from uk.radio.amateur into other newsgroups in the UK hierarchy and Big 8, ruining innocent bystanders enjoyment of usenet. There is no realistic expectation that the trolls' behaviour will change. The group has been this way for many years already. The impact on the UK hierarchy management newsgroups has been particularly bad with them often rendered unusable for days or weeks at a time. This is arguably a direct threat to the credibility and future of the hierarchy. There now exists a second amateur radio group in UK, uk.radio.amateur.moderated. Any users of uk.radio.amateur who wish to discuss amateur radio on UK are able to do so there. There are also many other unmoderated amateur radio newsgroups in other hierarchies, including free.uk.amateur-radio. Removing uk.radio.amateur from UK will not deprive anybody of the opportunity to discuss amateur radio on Usenet but it will deprive the trolls of their long-term base. It will also remove a direct threat and nuisance to UK and its users. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NEWSGROUPS LINE uk.radio.amateur Amateur radio and related matters - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CHARTER uk.radio.amateur This group is intended to provide a forum for discussion of amateur radio in the UK. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 1.4.12 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBWP76qWOfGXkh8vHZAQLwLgP+P5dQasTZ7mKoejdO9HO0WBIPtM5wdYHx 8/fKHdrNshp8jvb8GnYAJ11/vdkrYBe7JHmM+UWEq1MHWlvTmwlGRIl8ARyugPO0 ztbx2FxJ2jsGNzUlwLcY+ZRwdhpiuLCJmi3mCL4ZKihtC/F+sOHjpOjasFTdMUyw P+ET4mwoyPI= =3URd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----