10 Dec 2015: uk.radio.amateur.moderated

From: Graham Drabble <g.drabble@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:31:22 +0000
Subject: RESULT - Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated PASSES 53:22
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.radio.amateur


                        RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated

Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated PASSES 53:22

YES beat NO by a majority of 31 votes. For the proposal to succeed,
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 17th December 2014.

Proponent : "Paul W. Schleck, K3FU" <pschleck@novia.net>
Votetaker: Graham Drabble <g.drabble@ukvoting.org.uk>

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These results have been posted to the following newsgroups:


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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale
7) Newsgroups Line
8) Proposal

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 96 messages were received to the Ballot Request Address, of which:

 93 were valid Ballot Requests
  2 were a request from an invalid address
  1 was a test message sent by the votetaker
 83 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which:

 76 were valid and counted votes
  3 were test messages sent by the votetaker
  2 were deemed invalid due not specifying a voting preference (1 revoted)
  2 were repeat votes

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Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated

    YES : 53 votes
     NO : 22 votes
ABSTAIN :  1 vote
  Total : 76 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 31 votes. For the proposal to succeed,
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal

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Voted YES (53)

A.Lee                    alan -at- darkroom,plus,com
Adam Funk                a24061a -at- ducksburg,com
Alan Braggins            armb -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
Andrew Marshall          g8bur -at- g8bur,demon,co,uk
Andy Burns               usenet,feb2014 -at- adslpipe,co,uk
Anthony R. Gold          not-for-mail -at- ahjg,co,uk
Anthony Smith            cityamateurradio -at- gmail,com
Bob Evans                ukramv -at- deleteifspam,lichtech,co,uk
Brian D                  groups -at- planet3,freeuk,co,uk
Brian Howie              brian -at- b-howie,demon,co,uk
Brian Reay               g8osn -at- yahoo,co,uk
Charlotte Hanson         chirpycharlie -at- msn,com
Chris Doe                ct62354 -at- gmail,com
Chronos                  matt -at- chronos,org,uk
Clive George             clive -at- evil-c,co,uk
David                    mm0xdb -at- gmail,com
David Damerell           damerell -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
David Smith              dss -at- lords,com
Graham Nye               news -at- thenyes,org,uk
Ian Chard                ian -at- chard,org
Ian Clifton              ian,clifton -at- chem,ox,ac,uk
Ian Jackson              ijackson -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
Ian Jackson (G3OHX)      ianREMOVETHISjackson -at- g3ohx,demon,co,uk
Irv Finkleman            finkirv -at- shaw,ca
Jerry Stuckle            jstuckle -at- attglobal,net
John                     john,whittingtonpain -at- gmail,com
Jonathan Amery           jdamery+uram2+vote -at- ysolde,ucam,org
Joshua Wallace           j,s,wallace504 -at- googlemail,com
Kirsten Watson           kjwatson -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
MICHAEL COLE             mr,m,t,cole -at- gmail,com
Marc Wilson              marc -at- cleopatra,co,uk
Martin Connolly          martin,connolly -at- kcl,ac,uk
Matthew Vernon           matthew -at- debian,org
Mike Tomlinson           mike -at- jasper,org,uk
Paul W. Schleck          pschleck -at- novia,net
Peter Parry              peter -at- wpp,ltd,uk
Phil Lee                 phil -at- lee-family,me,uk
Richard Bird             richardbird1953 -at- gmail,com
Richard Kettlewell       rjk -at- greenend,org,uk
Roger Bell_West          roger+urcm201511 -at- firedrake,org
Roger Hayter             roger -at- hayter,org
Rusty Hinge              tony,anson -at- girolle,co,uk
Stephen Thomas Cole      usenet -at- stephenthomascole,com
The Nomad                M0HGU -at- dctower,co,uk
Thomas Lee               tfl -at- psp,co,uk
Tony                     tony -at- darkstorm,co,uk
Tony Finch               dot -at- dotat,at
Trevor Parker            ptrevor49 -at- yahoo,com
Victor Meldrew           vicmeld -at- gmail,com
Wm                       tcnw81 -at- tarrcity,demon,co,uk
crn                      crn -at- netunix,com
g8dgc aka Sn!pe          snipe -at- notforspam,fsnet,co,uk
mm0fmf                   mm0fmf -at- hotmail,com

Voted NO (22)

A. non Eyemouse          anoneyemouse -at- eml,cc
Barry Salter             votes2015 -at- southie,me,uk
Brian                    Brian -at- bjforster,force9,co,uk
Clive D.W. Feather       clive -at- davros,org
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI g3vki -at- turner-smith,co,uk
Iain Young G7III         g7iii -at- g7iii,net
JT                       jtsspamtrapaddress -at- gmail,com
John the R-T             john-the-r-t -at- gmx,co,uk
Llymru                   llymru -at- gmail,com
Mike Fleming             mike -at- tauzero,co,uk
Molly Mockford           uram2 -at- mollymockford,me,uk
Nick                     nick,spam -at- Yahoo,co,uk
Paul Cummins             paulcummins -at- tiscali,co,uk
Pedt                     laughs -at- manygiggl,es
Sara Merriman            sarakirk -at- blueyonder,co,uk
Scion                    swmine123 -at- gmail,com
Spike                    Aero,Spike -at- mail,com
Steve                    g8izy -at- blueyonder,co,uk
gi8lbp                   gi8lbp -at- gi4gov,plus,com
mw3qro                   mw3qro -at- gmail,com
paul                     {voter} -at- watman,clara,co,uk
roger merriman           roger -at- sarlet,com

Voted ABSTAIN (1)

Brian Morrison           bdm -at- fenrir,org,uk

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Votetakers Comments:

One of the busiest group creation votes for quite some time. Early 
voting was busy but fairly straightforward. A couple of queries to me
from people struggling to get a ballot, one needed to whitelist the
ballot request address in their anti-spam, the other was sending the
ballot request to the wrong address.

Two people submitted ballots without any preference expressed in the
voting box. Both had their votes returned with an explanation that 
these would not count as a valid vote. One subsequently revoted, no
reply or revote was seen from the other.

Unfortunately there have been many posts advertising this vote almost
none of which have been truly neutral in tone and in some cases 
explicitly encouraging votes in a particular direction. The first of 
these that I am aware of was posted to uk.rec.sheds at 22:52 on 22nd
November and a further bunch posted to uk.people.silversurfers, 
uk.politics.misc, uk.rec.cycling, uk.rec.gardening, uk.rec.motorcycles
and uk.telecom.broadband on 26th November. It is my firm belief (and 
the supporting evidence for this has been provided to UKV and the 
Committee) that many of the second bunch were not actually attempts to
solicit votes but a deliberate attempt to sabotage the vote. In these
circumstances it would seem counter-productive to automatically annul
the vote and so I have attempted to produce a result in spite of this.

It is worth noting at this point that had voting finished immediately
prior to the first post above the percentage in favour would have 
differed by less than 4% from the final margin and the result would not
have changed. The fact that the result did not change as a result of 
the postings, there were postings both for and against the proposal (if
taken at face value) and that the overall percentage in favour did not 
change significantly leads me to believe that, even if the exact 
numbers have been influenced by the posts, these are a fair and valid 
reflection of the views of the electorate. It is also worth noting at 
this point that the moves over the past few years to improve privacy by
both the major NSPs and the major email providers make voter validation
much harder.

uk.* voting has always relied on the goodwill of the users to put a
fair vote before any self interest. Their are plenty of opportunities
during the RFD process to bring proposals to the attention of other 
groups and to either encourage the proponent to include those groups in
subsequent RFDs or to encourage readers to watch uk.net.news.announce 
for the official CFV. Both of these are entirely legitimate. However 
once the CFV has started all users have the duty to help ensure a fair
vote, any advertising must therefore be strictly neutral and should
point people at the uk.net.news.* discussion / CFV rather than directly
at the ballot request address.

Finally I'd like to thank all those who bought the above posts to my
attention. In particular a special mention should go to the proponent
who, despite being aware that there existance could lead to the 
cancellation of the vote, did email UKV with the details of those he
was aware of.

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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs on
behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under
which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or
can be found at the following URL: <http://www.usenet.org.uk/voting.html>

The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.  Allegations of irregularity should be sent to
control (at) usenet (dot) org (dot) uk.

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uk.radio.amateur.moderated is a moderated alternative to the existing
uk.radio.amateur newsgroup.  Over the past several years, the traffic on
uk.radio.amateur has become largely flame wars, spam, and personal
ad-hominem discussions of past, present, and future violations and
violators, having little or no bearing on amateur radio.  Polite
requests by serious group posters to the offenders to refrain from such
behaviour have not resulted in elimination of such behaviour and has in
fact resulted in another series of flame wars.  As a result, many
knowledgeable and concerned posters in uk.radio.amateur have ceased
being active therein.

It is expected that offering a moderated group will persuade those who
formerly participated to resume their participation in rational,
focused, and informed discussion.  Proper moderation will enable
serious postings to the group to remain on topic while not limiting who
can voice opinions or what opinions can be voiced.

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uk.radio.amateur.moderated	Amateur radio and related matters (Moderated)

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uk.radio.amateur.moderated is for the discussion of amateur ("ham")
radio, also known as the Amateur Radio Service, in the United Kingdom.
Possible topics include past, present, and future operating practices;
events; contests; past, present, and potential-future rules; power
limitations; authorised frequencies; allowed modes and band plans (or
other gentlemen's agreements) that govern how we are to operate; what
constitutes the acceptable operation of amateur stations.

This newsgroup is only intended to supplement, not supercede, any other
amateur radio newsgroups.

General communications law or government policy of various government
agencies is also on-topic, as long as the discussion relates to amateur
radio.  Examples would be emergency communications, local antenna
restrictions, and property deed restrictions applying to operation of
amateur radio stations.

Discussion of other types of radio, such as Citizens Band, Broadcast,
other Personal Radio Services, Commercial or Private Land Mobile, and
Marine or Aviation services are off-topic, except when *directly*
related to amateur radio.  Similarly, discussion of methods violating
applicable communications law and regulations concerning radio equipment
or operations are off-topic.

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