29 Dec 2014: Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated

From: Graham Drabble <g.drabble@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:46:49 +0000
Subject: RESULT - Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated FAILS 31:27
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.radio.amateur


                        RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated

Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated FAILS 31:27

YES beat NO by a majority of 4 votes. For the proposal to succeed,
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 17th December 2014.

Proponent : "Paul W. Schleck, K3FU" <pschleck@novia.net>
Votetaker: Graham Drabble <g.drabble@ukvoting.org.uk>

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These results have been posted to the following newsgroups:


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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale
7) Newsgroups Line
8) Proposal

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 72 messages were received to the Ballot Request Address, of which:

 71 were valid Ballot Requests
  1 was a test message sent by the votetaker
 66 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which:

 60 were valid and counted votes
  1 was deemed invalid due not specifying a voting preference
  5 were repeat votes

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Create moderated newsgroup uk.radio.amateur.moderated

    YES : 31 votes
     NO : 27 votes
ABSTAIN :  2 vote
  Total : 60 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 4 votes. For the proposal to succeed,
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal

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Voted YES (30)

Anthony Gold             not-for-mail -at- ahjg,co,uk
Bob Evans                ukramv -at- deleteifspam,lichtech,co,uk
Bob Smits                bob -at- rsmits,ca
Brian Howie              brian -at- b-howie,demon,co,uk
Brian Reay               g8osn -at- yahoo,co,uk
David Damerell           damerell -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
G4UGM                    dave,g4ugm -at- gmail,com
Graham Nye               nospam -at- thenyes,org,uk
Huge                     huge -at- huge,org,uk
I J Clifton              ian,clifton -at- chem,ox,ac,uk
Ian Chard G7OMZ          ian -at- chard,org
Ian Jackson              ianREMOVETHISjackson -at- g3ohx,demon,co,uk
Jerry Stuckle            jstuckle -at- attglobal,net
John                     john,whittingtonpain -at- gmail,com
Laurie                   usenetvoting -at- outlook,com
Matthew Vernon           matthew -at- debian,org
Mike Tomlinson           mike -at- jasper,org,uk
Nathan Hull              nathan -at- hully,co,uk
Owen Dunn                owend -at- chiark,greenend,org,uk
Paul W. Schleck          pschleck -at- oasis,novia,net
Phil W Lee               phil -at- lee-family,me,uk
Richard Kettlewell       rjk -at- greenend,org,uk
Roger Bell_West          roger+unna201412 -at- firedrake,org
Roger Hayter             roger -at- hayter,org
Sn!pe aka g8dgc          snipe -at- notforspam,fsnet,co,uk
Stephen Thomas Cole      usenet -at- stephenthomascole,com
Victor Meldrew           vicmeld -at- gmail,com
Wm                       tcnw81 -at- tarrcity,demon,co,uk
crn                      crn -at- netunix,com
lordgnome                les -at- corfe-castle,demon,co,uk

Voted NO (27)

A. non Eyemouse          anoneyemouse -at- eml,cc
A.Lee                    alan -at- darkroom,plus,com
Brian                    Brian -at- bjforster,force9,co,uk
Brian Morrison           bdm -at- fenrir,org,uk
Charlie Ivermee          charlie -at- peartreegreen,org
Clive D.W. Feather       clive -at- davros,org
David                    david -at- benison,co,uk
Fred Roberts             arbiter57 -at- hotmail,co,uk
G6JPG                    G6JPG -at- soft255,demon,co,uk
John the R-T             t_e_n_e_s_u -at- hotmail,com
Llymru                   llymru -at- gmail,com
MW3QRO                   mw3qro -at- gmail,com
Mark Goodge              mark -at- good-stuff,co,uk
Mike Fleming             mike -at- tauzero,co,uk
Molly Mockford           uram -at- mollymockford,me,uk
Owen Rees                owenrees -at- fastmail,fm
Paul Cummins             paulcummins -at- tiscali,co,uk
Pedt                     so -at- manygiggl,es
Peter Parry              peter -at- wpp,ltd,uk
Philip R Barr            gi8lbp -at- gi4gov,plus,com
Road_Hog                 lordsmith -at- gmail,com
Rob Morley               nospam -at- ntlworld,com
Sara Merriman            sarakirk -at- blueyonder,co,uk
Spike                    Aero,Spike -at- mail,com
Steve                    g8izy -at- blueyonder,co,uk
kat                      littlelionne -at- hotmail,com
paul                     {voter} -at- watman,clara,co,uk

Voted ABSTAIN (2)

Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI g3vki -at- turner-smith,co,uk
antoniusliberalis        antoniusliberalis -at- inbox,com

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Votetakers Comments:

Not the simplest of votes for a number of reasons:

1) Problems with the UKVoting mail server meaning that ballot papers could 
not be sent to some people for a short period of time. This was resolved 
by Jon and all ballot requests were replied to. Apologies to anyone whose
request was delayed.

There was a lot of discussion in unnc about the way in which this was
brought to our attention. Whilst thanking Stephen for trying to make us
aware (and there's nothing wrong with posting to unn* to achieve this)
an email to either the votetaker or to ukvoting@ukvoting.org.uk is the 
more likely way to get a speedy reply, these tend to be checked more
often than we can read unnc.

2) There was a problem with email between the UKVoting server and the
server hosting drabble.me.uk where the votes were being forwarded to and
acknowledged from. This was picked up internally, resolved, and the 
archive on ukvoting.org.uk (which is always the definitive record of votes)
used to find and ack those votes that did not make the drabble.me.uk 

3) The message posted by Stephen Thomas Cole to comp.misc in 
Message-ID: <m6e50m$gol$1@dont-email.me>. Whilst this posting was
definitely biased, was posted to a group whose relevance was tenuous at
best and requested people to vote in a particular way I did not feel it
necessary to stop the vote. This was for two reasons
a) The posting was late in the CFV process allowing the impact to be 
b) The post did not breach the letter of the instructions contained within
the CFV.

In the case of a) I am satisfied that the post did not lead to an 
anomalously large number of YES votes.

In the case of b) while the letter of the CFV may not have been breached
the post definitely could be seen as having the potential to undermine the
integrity of the vote by encouraging disinterested readers to vote in a
biased way. Had the post been earlier in the CFV I would have had little
choice but to declare the vote NULL and VOID.

In light of this it will probably be good to codify much of what has 
previously evolved through custom and previous UK Voting and Committee
decisions to ensure the guidelines to supporters are clearer. UKVoting
already have guidelines in this area that are given to proponents prior
to the vote (see http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/resources/procedure.html) 
and it may be a good idea to incorporate these into the CFV to guide
other supporters.

I am also aware of Message-ID: <m553ie$8di$1@dont-email.me> to
nl.radio.amateur and 
Message-ID: <1lvq7hz.twvblb114yd37N%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> to
uk.rec.sheds (both on 26th November). Both of these are significantly
less controversial. The former is to a related group (and, unlike 
Stephen's later post does not request people vote in a particular way), 
the latter is scrupulously neutral in tone and merely points people to
the CFV.

Finally a brief note regarding the filling in of ballot papers. A large
percentage of people failed to comply with the instructions to either
"Delete this line and everything above it" or to "Please ensure that
the [ and ] remain on the same line". Both of these make ballot papers
much less parseable automatically and therefore add to the work the
vote taker needs to do during the vote.

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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs on
behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under
which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or
can be found at the following URL: <http://www.usenet.org.uk/voting.html>

The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.  Allegations of irregularity should be sent to
control (at) usenet (dot) org (dot) uk.

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uk.radio.amateur.moderated is a moderated alternative to the existing
uk.radio.amateur newsgroup.  Over the past several years, the traffic on
uk.radio.amateur has become largely flame wars, spam, and personal
ad-hominem discussions of past, present, and future violations and
violators, having little or no bearing on amateur radio.  Polite
requests by serious group posters to the offenders to refrain from such
behaviour have not resulted in elimination of such behaviour and has in
fact resulted in another series of flame wars.  As a result, many
knowledgeable and concerned posters in uk.radio.amateur have ceased
being active therein.

It is expected that offering a moderated group will persuade those who
formerly participated to resume their participation in rational,
focused, and informed discussion.  Proper moderation will enable
serious postings to the group to remain on topic while not limiting who
can voice opinions or what opinions can be voiced.

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uk.radio.amateur.moderated	Amateur radio and related matters (Moderated)

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uk.radio.amateur.moderated is for the discussion of amateur ("ham")
radio, also known as the Amateur Radio Service, in the United Kingdom.
Possible topics include past, present, and future operating practices;
events; contests; past, present, and potential-future rules; power
limitations; authorised frequencies; allowed modes and band plans (or
other gentlemen's agreements) that govern how we are to operate; what
constitutes the acceptable operation of amateur stations.

This newsgroup is only intended to supplement, not supercede, any other
amateur radio newsgroups.

General communications law or government policy of various government
agencies is also on-topic, as long as the discussion relates to amateur
radio.  Examples would be emergency communications, local antenna
restrictions, and property deed restrictions applying to operation of
amateur radio stations.

Discussion of other types of radio, such as Citizens Band, Broadcast,
other Personal Radio Services, Commercial or Private Land Mobile, and
Marine or Aviation services are off-topic, except when *directly*
related to amateur radio.  Similarly, discussion of methods violating
applicable communications law and regulations concerning radio equipment
or operations are off-topic.

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