28 Jan 2002: uk.people.{silversurfers|young-at-heart}
From: Mark Goodge <mark@good-stuff.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:45:37 +0000
Subject: RESULT: CFV - Creation of
uk.people.{silversurfers|young-at-heart} passes with option A: Create
group as uk.people.silversurfers
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.people.rural,uk.people.fathers,uk.people.support.depression
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RESULT: CFV - Creation of uk.people.{silversurfers|young-at-heart}
passes with option A: Create group as uk.people.silversurfers
SUMMARY
Option A (Create group as uk.people.silversurfers) was preferred to
all other options, and preferred to option D (Do Not Create Group) by
a margin of greater than 12. Therefore, Option A wins.
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 13th January 2002
Proponent: Paul Carroll <itsjustmee@btopenworld.com>
Votetaker: Mark Goodge <m.goodge@ukvoting.org.uk>
Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.people.rural,
uk.people.fathers,uk.people.support.depression
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The full results follow below in the following order:
1) Information on the ballot
2) Results
3) Vote Statistics
4) Individual Vote Details
5) Votetaker's Comments
6) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
7) Rationale and Proposal
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INFORMATION ON THE BALLOT
Voters were asked to vote on a proposal to create the group under
two alternative names: 'uk.people.silversurfers' and
'uk.people.young-at-heart'. The options on the ballot paper were:
Option A: Create group as uk.people.silversurfers
Option B: Create group as uk.people.young-at-heart
Option C: Re-Open Discussion
Option D: Status Quo (Do not create group)
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RESULTS
Multi-option group creation votes in the uk.* hierarchy are decided by
a two-stage procedure. All options are first compared with votes for
the status quo (Do Not Create Group), and any which are not preferred
to SQ by the required margin of 12 votes are eliminated. The remaining
options, if any, are then evaluated by the Condorcet method.
Stage 1:
Option A was preferred to SQ (Option D) by a margin of 59 votes
Option B was preferred to SQ (Option D) by a margin of 52 votes
Option C was preferred to SQ (Option D) by a margin of 43 votes
Therefore, all options proceed to a full Condorcet count.
Stage 2:
A full Condorcet count shows that Option A is preferred to all
other options:
Option A was preferred to Option B by 88 votes to 26 (20 Abstentions)
Option A was preferred to Option C by 89 votes to 31 (12 Abstentions)
Option A was preferred to Option D by 89 votes to 30 (13 Abstentions)
Full Condorcet Tables:
Table 1 - Absolute Figures (Raw Preferences Grid)
A B C D
A [n/a] [ 86] [ 89] [ 89]
B [ 26] [n/a] [ 78] [ 82]
C [ 31] [ 34] [n/a] [ 74]
D [ 30] [ 30] [ 31] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 86 votes preferred
Option A to Option B while 78 votes preferred Option B to Option C.
Table 2 - Relative Figures (Opposite Comparison Grid)
A B C D
A [n/a] [ 60] [ 58] [ 59]
B [-60] [n/a] [ 44] [ 52]
C [-58] [-45] [n/a] [ 43]
D [-59] [-52] [-43] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's column to the
option appropriate to the number's row. For example, 58 more people
preferred Option A to Option C than preferred C to A, and 44 more
people preferred Option B to Option C than preferred C to B.
The winning option in the absolute table is that where all the numbers
in its row are higher than the number in the equivalent position in
its column. The winning option in the relative table is that which has
all positive numbers in its row and all negative numbers in its
column. (On this ballot, this is Option A).
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VOTE STATISTICS
There were 166 messages received through the UKVoting server for this
ballot, consisting of:
130 valid and counted votes
29 valid votes superseded by later votes from the same voter
3 discarded as invalid (acknowledgement bounced)
2 blank (no name or email address in the ballot)
2 test messages (clearly marked as such in the email)
The counted valid votes and those discarded as invalid are listed in
detail below.
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INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS
Notes:
1. Voters were asked to rank the options from 1 (highest) to 4
(lowest). Equal rankings are allowed, and any unranked options are
considered to be ranked below all ranked options.
2. Voters used a variety of different marks (or lack of them) to
indicate unranked options. Irrespective of the actual character used,
all unranked options have been represented in the table by '-' (dash).
3. The votes column shows the ranking given by the voter to each
option. For example:
A B C D
voter 1 1 2 4 3
voter 2 - 2 - 1
Voter 1 ranked option A first, then B, then D, and then C.
Voter 2 ranked Option D first, then B, and left the other options unranked.
Name Email A B C D
Ade Vickers javickers?yahoo@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Alan LeHun ukvote?lehun@clara@oc@ku - - - -
Alan Ralph alan@ralph?redunser@demon@oc@ku 2 1 3 4
Alex Holden votes?alex-holden@gro@ku 4 1 3 2
allen allen?allen@as 1 - - -
Andrew Gierth andrew?erlenstar@demon@oc@ku 4 3 2 1
Andrew Wheatley andrew@wheatley?union@gro@za 1 4 3 2
Andy Mabbett andy?pigsonthewing@gro@ku - - 2 1
andy roberts andy@roberts?zetnet@oc@ku 1 3 2 4
Anita Carter ronita@carter?lineone@ten 1 2 3 -
Bagpuss kerkintail?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
Barb bingham?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
biffo biffo?tiscali@oc@ku 1 - - -
Bill P bill-percival?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
Brian Brian?bjforster@force9@oc@ku - - - 1
Charles Lindsey chl?clw@cs@man@ac@uk 1 2 3 2
Charlie Drake charliedrake?tiscali@oc@ku 1 4 4 4
Cobweb evelyng?whsmithnet@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Crafty shuttersnipe?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
Cris Kelhan crispin?kelhan@fsworld@oc@ku 1 - - -
Dai Bando daielectric?lineone@ten 1 3 2 4
Dangerous sjalldred?tiscali@oc@ku 1 2 4 4
Dave Dave?community-spirit@demon@oc@ku 4 3 2 1
Dave Fawthrop hyphen?hyphenologist@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Dave Hillam dave?hillam@gro@ku 4 4 4 4
Dave Mason dave?lowjobs@oc@ku 1 3 2 4
Dave Mayall david@mayall?ukonline@oc@ku 3 1 2 1
Dave Millard dave?focus3@uk@moc 1 2 3 4
Dave Roberts dave?studio-33@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Dave Sparks Dave@Sparks?sisyphus@demon@oc@ku 1 3 2 4
David Mahon vote_UKPSY01?amigo@oc@ku 2 4 1 3
David Taylor davidt?yadt@oc@ku 1 2 4 3
Denis McMahon denis?pickaxe@demon@oc@ku 4 3 2 1
DG / Dick Gaughan dickg?dickalba@demon@oc@ku - - - -
Don Aitken don-aitken?freeuk@moc 1 2 - -
Eddie Bernard usenet?ebernard@greatxscape@ten - - - -
Ergo Eric@Gales?btinternet@moc 1 2 3 4
Firebird charani_b?hotmail@moc 1 3 4 2
frogman silversurfer?comic@moc 1 2 3 4
gizbon gizbon?higs@oc@ku 1 4 2 3
Glenkys glenys?tgis@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Graham Drabble graham@drabble?lineone@ten 3 1 2 3
GreySwan greyswan?inorbit@moc 1 2 3 4
Guy Morgan guy?first-light-services@oc@ku - 1 2 -
Huge Huge?huge@gro@ku - - 2 1
IanDunbar iandunbar?thegap@fsnet@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
itsjustmee itsjustmee?btopenworld@moc 1 1 3 4
J. Lewis jeff?maerdy@gro 1 2 3 4
James Bentall jimney?bigfoot@moc 1 2 - -
James Coupe james?zephyr@gro@ku 4 1 1 3
James Farrar londonstatto?yahoo@oc@ku - - 2 1
jammyface jammyface?blueyonder@oc@ku 1 2 4 4
jamps jan@par?ntlworld@moc 1 2 3 4
jasongnome jasongnome?clara@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Jaygee j@gibb1?ntlworld@moc 1 3 2 4
Jeffrey Goldberg Jeffrey?goldmark@gro 1 1 1 1
Jezza jezza?hotwells@freeserve@oc@ku 1 3 2 4
John john?pegler@gro@ku 1 - - -
John B jcb?avism@demon@oc@ku 1 4 2 3
John Elliott herbietheone?aol@moc 1 2 - -
John Hall john?jhall@oc@ku 2 1 3 4
John the R T john@payne32?ntlworld@moc 1 2 3 4
johno john_o?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
Jon Thomson jon?thomson2273@freeserve@oc@ku - - - 1
Julian Edge julian@edge?btinternet@moc - - - -
Julian Sharp news?sharpuk@f9@oc@ku 3 4 2 1
karl davis karldav82?hotmail@moc 1 - - -
Kevin Andreoli kevin?andreoli@oc@ku 4 1 3 2
Leevan pbrentnall?tiscali@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Linda digit?gardener@moc 1 2 3 4
margaret hunter mhhunter?lineone@ten 1 2 - -
Mark Tyndall mrt102?york@ac@uk 1 2 3 1
martinp martinp?wanadoo@nl 1 2 - -
Mary mlmbaker?freeuk@moc 1 4 4 4
Michaelangelo mikenagel?btinternet@moc 1 2 3 4
Mike Clouston mike?mike-clouston@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Mike Fleming mike?tauzero@oc@ku 2 1 4 3
Mike Henry {$usenet$}?mrtickle@demon@oc@ku 4 1 2 3
Mike PC mikepc?tiscali@oc@ku 1 3 2 4
Mike Tullett mtullett?ntlworld@moc 1 2 3 4
Molly Mockford molly?mockfords@clara@oc@ku - - - -
Morningsun grace@clarke?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
Mudge peter?ringtail@fsnet@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Murray J Macnab mjmacnab?ntlworld@moc 1 2 3 4
ned alan@dale?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
Neil Ellwood cne?netmatters@oc@ku 1 2 4 4
Neil Fernandez ncf?borve@demon@oc@ku 1 1 3 4
Nigel Ashton nigel?nigelashton@demon@oc@ku 4 1 3 2
Pam stoke3?ntlworld@moc 1 2 3 4
parrotfish parrotfish?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
Patrick Herring anweald?ntlworld@moc 1 3 2 4
paul {voter}?watman@clara@oc@ku 1 4 2 3
Paul C. Dickie pcd?bozzie@demon@oc@ku 3 4 1 2
Paul Cummins paul?cummins@ie@eu@gro - - 2 1
Paul Giverin paul?giverin@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Peter Carter levetis?ntlworld@moc 1 2 3 4
Peter Smyth psmyth?gmx@ten 4 1 3 2
peter.trentham peter@trentham?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
Phil Todd phil?smallgods@gro@ku 2 1 3 4
Phil Wade phil?pooters@gro 1 2 3 4
Philip Powell philip?blencathra@gro@ku 1 2 3 4
plod paul@j@clark?ntlworld@moc 1 4 3 2
{R} {R}?semolina@gro 4 3 2 1
ray ray?dream-weaver@moc 1 2 3 4
Richard Clayton richard?highwayman@moc 4 3 1 2
Richard Kettlewell richard+upsy01?sfere@greenend@gro@ku 2 2 1 2
Robbie robbie?arrakis@un 4 3 2 1
Sandra grizwald?lineone@ten 1 2 3 4
Sandy Tomkins sandytomkins?thefreeinternet@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Sgath Faol Admin?CelticShadows@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
Shane Matthews usenet?cluelessweasels@moc 3 1 3 2
sleeco sleeco?lineone@ten - - - -
squire squireb?bryhod99@demon@oc@ku 4 4 1 1
Steph Peters steph?sandbenders@demon@oc@ku 4 3 2 1
steve steve?rawlinson@demon@oc@ku 1 - - -
steve peake steve?puppet-head@oc@ku 1 4 3 2
Terry terryponsford?blueyonder@oc@ku 1 2 3 4
The Barsteward stevebakerj?lineone@ten 1 2 4 4
the kat the@kat?ntalk@gro 1 2 3 4
Thomas Lee tfl?psp@oc@ku 4 1 2 3
Tickettyboo tickettyboo?ntlworld@moc 1 2 3 4
Tim Emanuel tim?cantona@gro@ku 4 2 3 1
Tony tony?darkstorm@oc@ku - - - -
Tony Walton tony@walton?sun@oc@ku 4 3 2 1
Tr@cie tracie?london@moc 1 2 3 4
shaz shaz6?btinternet@moc 1 2 3 4
Trevor swanley?btinternet@moc 1 2 3 4
Wm tcnw41?tarrcity@demon@oc@ku - - 2 1
wrinklie one jf@howarth?btinternet@moc 1 2 3 4
Zonky zonky?teletubbies@ten 4 3 1 2
Invalid votes:
Flying Nun 2001 flyingnun?tiscal@oc@ku ack bounced
oldrose oldrose?aol@moc ack bounced
Flying Rat flyingrat?btconnect@moc ack bounced
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VOTETAKER'S COMMENTS
This was one of the more awkward votes I've had to deal with. Due to
the unavailability of the original votetaker, a lot of people had
revoted as they were under the impression that their initial vote had
not got through. This meant a much larger than usual number of
superseded votes, as well as some test messages designed to trigger
the original autoresponder.
Some voters used voting names that included non-ascii
characters. These have had to be rendered in ascii for the purposes of
the results posting, so it's possible that some names are not quite as
their owners would prefer them to be.
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VOTING AND APPEAL GUIDELINES
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on
behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.
The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are
posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the
following URL:
<ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted
to uk.net.news.announce.
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.
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RATIONALE AND PROPOSAL FROM THE CFV
RATIONALE:
This follows on from the original RFD for uk.people.silversurfers and
the 2nd RFD, for uk.people.young-at-heart. The momentum behind this
RFD was the decision of one ISP to replace a closed newsgroup with a
web based view only forum, which is unacceptable to the majority of
existing members. A move to the uk.* hierarchy would not only allow
them to maintain their collective identity but also provide the
opportunity for posters from the wider usenet community to
participate.
PROPOSED CHARTER:
Newsgroups line:
uk.people.silversurfers Advice and chat for older internet users
CHARTER: uk.people.silversurfers
uk.people.silversurfers is a forum for the discussion of matters
relating to getting older and not wanting to be left behind in a
technological world. This may include but is not limited to
non-technical advice, mentoring in any related subject and general
discussion about getting older. Although primarily intended to assist
people coming to terms with getting older contributions from people of
all ages are welcome.
Advertising
Advertising is forbidden.
Binaries & Formatting
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a
pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used
where authentication is important and should be as short as possible.
Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common
newsreaders comply with this, read
<http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.
Warning
Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
"postmaster" and/or Service Provider.
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