04 Jan 1999: uk.politics.misc charter change

From: Robert Irvine <r.irvine@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: 4 Jan 1999 19:48:02 -0000
Subject: RESULT - Charter Change uk.politics.misc PASSES 22:10
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce,uk.politics.misc



	  Summary: Charter change uk.politics.misc  PASSES 22:10

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 30th December 1998.

Proponent:simon.gardner@hack.powernet.co.uk (Simon Gardner)
Votetaker:votetaker@chocolate.demon.co.uk (Robbie Irvine)
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uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.politics.misc

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Result
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers comments
4) Voting and Appeal guidelines
5) Rationale & Newsgroup charter

1) Result

yes = 22
no  = 10
abs =  5
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Charter change passes as 22 is greater than 10 by 12 votes and meets
the +12 rule.

2)The Particulars of the Vote
abs = abstain

Robert Hull		spammenot{dot}com Robert%at$		yes
Andrew Smith		csv{dot}warwick{dot}ac{dot}uk ecreu%at$	yes
Lyn David Thomas	stuffing{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk lyn%at$yes
James Coupe		obeah{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk james%at$	yes
Andi Carey		amcarey{dot}demon{dot}co{dot} ukukv%at$	yes

Joe Otten		virgin{dot}net joe{dot}otten%at$	yes
Simon Gardner		hack#powernet#co#uk simon#gardner%at$	yes
John Lynch 		ldta#demon#co#uk jlynch%at$		yes
Andrew Norman		le#ac#uk nja%at$			yes
David Cantrell		ThePentagon#com	NukeEmUp%at$		yes

Marc Living		equity#claranet#co#uk marc%at$		yes
Tim Miller		bristol#ac#uk tm6248%at$		yes
Tony Towers		systematic#co#uk sat%at$		yes
NF Stevens		arcady#u-net#com norman%at$		yes
David Damerell		chiark#greenend#org#uk damerell%at$	yes

tobias erle		kholdan#snafu#de vote%at$		yes
Andrew Hunt		vision25#demon#co#uk andy%at$		yes
James Farrar		ic#ac#uk ames#farrar%at$		yes
George Flinter		zingaro#demon#co#uk george%at$		yes
Brett Paul Dunbar	dimetrodon#demon#co#uk brett%at$ 	yes

Jeremy McNeill		hotwells#freeserve#co#uk jezza%at$	yes
Mr G J Dykes		argonet#co#uk dykes%at$			yes

Bruce Tober		reporters#net octobersdad%at$		no	
Darren Rees		cvnet#co#uk merlin%at$			no 	
Thomas Lee		psp#co#uk tfl%at$			no
Alex Dawson		uea#ac#uk alex#dawson%at$		no
Mike Paley		waverider#co#uk	pmailkee%at$		no

Hugh Davies		axalotl#demon#co#uk huge%at$		no
alan goss		clara#net algoss%at$			no
Leo			venturer#demon#co#uk leo%at$		no
Denis McMahon		pickaxe#demon#co#uk denis%at$		no
Richard Ashton		corixia#demon#co#uk richard%at$		no

SJFBeckwith		cirra#com sjfb%at$			abs
Richard Kettlewell	greenend#org#uk	rjk%at$ 		abs
Andy Roberts		zetnet#co#uk andyrobts%at$		abs
simon gray		star-one#org#uk	simon%at$  		abs
Pekka P. Pirinen	pirinen#demon#co#uk ppp%at$		abs

3) Votetakers comments

It was unfortunate that I had to take this vote - I'd have much 
rather the origional votetaker had posted his results and the revote
had never needed to happen. This was unfortunate and hopefully will
not happen again.

As normal there were a number of people sending blank votepapers and
ones with bit's missing, as the reply for this vote were scripted 
this may have caused a number of people not to get a prompt to send 
a valid vote as there was no user interaction unless I'd picked up 
the vote while away from home via pop3.

the people whose votes were affected by this were
David Boothroyd, Mike Paley

4) Voting and Appeal guidelines

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in
the uk hierarchy.  The rules under which this vote is taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:

The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to

Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.

5) Rationale & Newsgroup charter


Under 'Cross-posting' to add:

  Cross posting between any gun group and uk.politics.misc
  is specifically forbidden.

This would not, of course forbid discussion of matters relating to guns
on the (rare) occasion that they are relevant to British politics. It
does not seek to limit discussion as such, just cross posting. It is
noted that there is already a separate group uk.politics.guns.  This
proposed alteration is designed to limit some of the periodic abuses by
American gun nuts flaming with multiple cross posting of little
relevance to the UK or British politics.

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The charter as amended would read:

uk.politics.misc is a group aimed at wide ranging discussion, the only
restriction being that issues discussed must be of a political nature.
The group is expected to concentrate on the politics of or affecting the
UK, and is open to posters from outside the UK as well as within it.

Cross posting:
Excessive cross posting is inappropriate.  Cross posting to other groups
in the uk.politics.* hierarchy MUST be on-topic for those groups, and is
generally discouraged because of the likelihood of subject drift.
Cross posting to more than two special-topic uk.politics.* groups, or to
uk.politics.misc and special-topic group(s) simultaneously is not
allowed.  Cross posting to more than a total of 4 groups (including this
one) is strongly discouraged. Cross posting between any gun group and
uk.politics.misc is specifically forbidden.

Is forbidden, except that short (less than 20 lines) announcements of
relevant events are allowed.

Binaries (apart from PGP signatures) are not permitted, but directions
as to where binaries may be found are welcomed.

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