07 Dec 2002: CFV: uk.media.tv.us-spoilers
From: Mark Goodge <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:25:14 +0000
Subject: RESULT: Creation of group 'uk.media.tv.us-spoilers' FAILS as +12 requirement not met.
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RESULT: Creation of group 'uk.media.tv.us-spoilers' FAILS as +12
requirement not met.
Summary: Creation of group 'uk.media.tv.us-spoilers' received 29
votes in favour and 20 against, with 2 abstentions. This fails to
meet the requirement for a winning margin of 12 or greater.
Therefore, the proposal fails.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT 30 November 2002
Proponent: Sarah Reeson <email@example.com>
Votetaker: Mark Goodge <firstname.lastname@example.org>
The full results follow below in the following order:
1) Information on the ballot
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Information
6) Rationale and Proposal (from the CFV)
INFORMATION ON THE BALLOT
Voters were asked to show their preference on a single Yes/No
question: Create group 'uk.media.tv.us-spoilers'?
There were 56 vote emails received:
51 valid and counted votes
2 valid votes later superseded by the voter
3 invalid votes (all of which were corrected by the voter on the
2nd submission and are included in the counted votes)
Of the 51 votes received, the preferences were:
Under the Voting Procedures for the uk.* Hierarchy, a winning option
must have at least 12 YES votes more than NO votes. In this case, the
winning margin did not reach this number and the proposal therefore
INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS
Name Email Vote
Andrew Cameron tags?tags2k@oc@ku Yes
Anthony Naggs amn?ubik@demon@oc@ku Yes
Anthony R. Gold anthonygold?bigfoot@moc No
Barry Dorrans barryd?idunno@gro No
Charles Littlewood@troston?lineone@ten No
Christopher G Brannigan chris?cgbrannigan@freeserve@oc@ku No
Chris Croughton chris?keristor@gro Yes
clueless salthaf?althaf@moc Yes
Dan Milburn danmilburn?clara@oc@ku Yes
Dave Cross dave?dave@gro@uk Yes
Dave Mason news200211?sarnie@gro@uk Yes
David Chapman jedit?dsl@pipex@moc No
Donna Lantello donnatello?musicnote@moc Yes
Dr Zoidberg Alexcook?Cwcom@ten Yes
Elizabeth Chapman basketcase?dsl@pipex@moc No
Evy sarah@l@evans?btinternet@moc Yes
Fearghas McKay fm?st-kilda@gro Yes
Jawida jawida@money?btopenworld@moc Yes
JBM jpb8?duke@ude No
John Briggs john@briggs4?ntlworld@moc Yes
John Burton john@burton?jbmail@moc No
John L jl?lammtarra@fslife@oc@ku No
Killans mcollins?nyx@ten No
kqr kqr2D2?btopenworld@moc No
lansbury lansbury?spamcop@ten No
Lee Meyrick mezman?myrealbox@moc No
Lesley Simpson nl?corwyn@demon@oc@ku Yes
Marc marc_bradshaw?ntlworld@moc Yes
Mark Coxley mark?xcski@moc No
natalie natalie?ntlworld@moc No
Neil Ellwood cne?netmatters@oc@ku No
Niall Harrison sax?urchin@earth@il Yes
Nigel Ashton nigel?nigelashton@demon@oc@ku No
Norny norman@moore?ntlworld@moc Yes
Paul Carpenter paul?pcserv@demon@oc@ku No
Paul Harper paul?harper@ten Yes
Peter Robinson pmrobinson?gmx@ten Abstain
Peter Smyth psmyth?gmx@ten No
Philip Powell philip?blencathra@gro@uk Yes
Rachael Munns vashti?dream@gro@uk Yes
Rupert Connell rupertconnell?blueyonder@oc@ku Yes
Sarah Elton sarah@elton?st-annes@ox@ac@uk Yes
Sarah Reeson sarah?gubbins@ten Yes
Shane Matthews shane?gaelyn@ten Yes
Sieue sieue?sieue@moc Yes
sparhawk sparhawk2?ntlworld@moc Yes
Stewart Tolhurst stewart?foxbasealpha@oc@ku Abstain
Terry Graham terry@graham?doughnut@plus@moc Yes
The bBfish usenetspam?fsmail@ten Yes
the kat katnews?ntlworld@moc Yes
vjc vanilla?sarsparilla@fsnet@oc@ku No
There were no uncorrected invalid votes.
A pretty simple vote to administer, with no significant issues. A minor
typo on the CFV meant that there was some confusion over the closing
date of the ballot, so the later of the two possible options was taken
as correct. However, there were no votes in the last couple of days
anyway, so it didn't really matter.
VOTING AND APPEAL INFORMATION
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.
The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to email@example.com.
(The information in this and the following section is a copy of that
provided in the CFV)
Mention "Spoilers" to anyone in a uk.media.tv group and you're likely to get
anything but a neutral reaction. Information about the US Fall TV schedules is
met with a wide range of reactions, from indifference to all-out paranoia. Many
groups are discussing how the prospect of new shows some three to six months
ahead of any terrestial or digital broadcast will affect the makeup of their
future postings, and whether existing spoiler protection will cover what is
likely to be a wide range of misdemeanours.
I have for some time, with a number of other individuals, considered the
possibility of creating a group inside the media.tv hierarchy which would allow
a general area for the discussion of all manner of "spoilers": whether they be
the episodes themselves (downloads of US eps from peer to peer software or
sources isn't condoned by the proponent), information from US newsgroups or
"spoiler" sites like Aint it Cool or US magazine and TV interviews. I believe
the time is now right to formally propose such a Group.
uk.media.tv.us-spoilers is for the discussion of any and all "spoilers"
appertaining to US TV programmes. A "spoiler" is defined as a piece of
information that could spoil the enjoyment of a UK viewer who has not yet seen
the TV show in question. All forms of spoilers are welcome: please however
restrict the information to US television programmes and not other US
To clearly define what information an individual may wish to read, the tagging
of Subject: posts is VERY important. Please CLEARLY identify what show you are
referring to in your post by putting the name of that show in the Subject:
header, in an abbreviated form. For instance:
[SFU] Six Feet Under
[SPO] The Sopranos
[BoP] Birds of Prey
[DC] Dawson's Creek
are some examples: as new shows are discussed appropriate abbreviations can be
decided. As it is entirely possible that a viewer of "Smallville" may only be
interested in their own shows spoilers and may not want to know what's
in the latest episode of "24"
DO NOT PLACE SPOILERS in the "Subject: " field. The addition of Spoiler or
Courtesy Space is purely at the discretion of the individual poster: it is
assumed that if a person is subscribing to this group they will understand the
risks they are taking in doing so.
Cross-posting between this and any group whose episodes are being discussed is
Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions:
Suppliers of goods and services relevant to group subject in the UK
may post an invitation to visit their web site or request details.
It should be of four lines or fewer and not posted more than once
every 3 months. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ".
Personal and "fan" websites with links to Spoiler material are also welcome to
post details: preferably four lines or fewer, and no more than once a week.
Binaries & Formatting
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which
a pointer may be posted.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should US episodes be posted to the Group:
again, there are specific binaries groups and FTP sites for such
purposes. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP)may be used where
authentication is important and should be as short as possible.
Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some
common newsreaders comply with this, read
Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
"postmaster" and/or Service Provider.
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