07 Dec 2002: CFV: uk.media.tv.us-spoilers

From: Mark Goodge <m.goodge@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:25:14 +0000
Subject: RESULT: Creation of group 'uk.media.tv.us-spoilers' FAILS as +12 requirement not met.
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.media.tv.sky,uk.media.tv.twenty-four,uk.media.tv.angel,uk.media.tv.smallville,uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer


RESULT: Creation of group 'uk.media.tv.us-spoilers' FAILS as +12
requirement not met.

Summary: Creation of group 'uk.media.tv.us-spoilers' received 29
votes in favour and 20 against, with 2 abstentions. This fails to
meet the requirement for a winning margin of 12 or greater.
Therefore, the proposal fails.

Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT 30 November 2002

Proponent: Sarah Reeson <sarah@gubbins.net>
Votetaker: Mark Goodge <m.goodge@ukvoting.org.uk>



The full results follow below in the following order:

1) Information on the ballot
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Information
6) Rationale and Proposal (from the CFV)



Voters were asked to show their preference on a single Yes/No
question: Create group 'uk.media.tv.us-spoilers'?



There were 56 vote emails received:

51 valid and counted votes
  2 valid votes later superseded by the voter
  3 invalid votes (all of which were corrected by the voter on the
    2nd submission and are included in the counted votes)

Of the 51 votes received, the preferences were:  

       Yes: 29
        No: 20
   Abstain:  2

Under the Voting Procedures for the uk.* Hierarchy, a winning option
must have at least 12 YES votes more than NO votes. In this case, the
winning margin did not reach this number and the proposal therefore



Name                      Email                               Vote

Andrew Cameron            tags?tags2k@oc@ku                   Yes
Anthony Naggs             amn?ubik@demon@oc@ku                Yes
Anthony R. Gold           anthonygold?bigfoot@moc             No
Barry Dorrans             barryd?idunno@gro                   No
Charles                   Littlewood@troston?lineone@ten      No   
Christopher G Brannigan   chris?cgbrannigan@freeserve@oc@ku   No
Chris Croughton           chris?keristor@gro                  Yes
clueless                  salthaf?althaf@moc                  Yes
Dan Milburn               danmilburn?clara@oc@ku              Yes
Dave Cross                dave?dave@gro@uk                    Yes
Dave Mason                news200211?sarnie@gro@uk            Yes
David Chapman             jedit?dsl@pipex@moc                 No  
Donna Lantello            donnatello?musicnote@moc            Yes
Dr Zoidberg               Alexcook?Cwcom@ten                  Yes
Elizabeth Chapman         basketcase?dsl@pipex@moc            No 
Evy                       sarah@l@evans?btinternet@moc        Yes
Fearghas McKay            fm?st-kilda@gro                     Yes
Jawida                    jawida@money?btopenworld@moc        Yes  
JBM                       jpb8?duke@ude                       No
John Briggs               john@briggs4?ntlworld@moc           Yes
John Burton               john@burton?jbmail@moc              No 
John L                    jl?lammtarra@fslife@oc@ku           No 
Killans                   mcollins?nyx@ten                    No 
kqr                       kqr2D2?btopenworld@moc              No 
lansbury                  lansbury?spamcop@ten                No  
Lee Meyrick               mezman?myrealbox@moc                No 
Lesley Simpson            nl?corwyn@demon@oc@ku               Yes
Marc                      marc_bradshaw?ntlworld@moc          Yes
Mark Coxley               mark?xcski@moc                      No 
natalie                   natalie?ntlworld@moc                No 
Neil Ellwood              cne?netmatters@oc@ku                No   
Niall Harrison            sax?urchin@earth@il                 Yes
Nigel Ashton              nigel?nigelashton@demon@oc@ku       No 
Norny                     norman@moore?ntlworld@moc           Yes
Paul Carpenter            paul?pcserv@demon@oc@ku             No 
Paul Harper               paul?harper@ten                     Yes
Peter Robinson            pmrobinson?gmx@ten                  Abstain
Peter Smyth               psmyth?gmx@ten                      No  
Philip Powell             philip?blencathra@gro@uk            Yes
Rachael Munns             vashti?dream@gro@uk                 Yes
Rupert Connell            rupertconnell?blueyonder@oc@ku      Yes
Sarah Elton               sarah@elton?st-annes@ox@ac@uk       Yes
Sarah Reeson              sarah?gubbins@ten                   Yes
Shane Matthews            shane?gaelyn@ten                    Yes  
Sieue                     sieue?sieue@moc                     Yes
sparhawk                  sparhawk2?ntlworld@moc              Yes
Stewart Tolhurst          stewart?foxbasealpha@oc@ku          Abstain
Terry Graham              terry@graham?doughnut@plus@moc      Yes
The bBfish                usenetspam?fsmail@ten               Yes
the kat                   katnews?ntlworld@moc                Yes
vjc                       vanilla?sarsparilla@fsnet@oc@ku     No  

There were no uncorrected invalid votes.



A pretty simple vote to administer, with no significant issues. A minor
typo on the CFV meant that there was some confusion over the closing 
date of the ballot, so the later of the two possible options was taken
as correct. However, there were no votes in the last couple of days
anyway, so it didn't really matter.



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Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.


(The information in this and the following section is a copy of that   
provided in the CFV)


Mention "Spoilers" to anyone in a uk.media.tv group and you're likely to get
anything but a neutral reaction. Information about the US Fall TV schedules is
met with a wide range of reactions, from indifference to all-out paranoia. Many
groups are discussing how the prospect of new shows some three to six months
ahead of any terrestial or digital broadcast will affect the makeup of their
future postings, and whether existing spoiler protection will cover what is
likely to be a wide range of misdemeanours.

I have for some time, with a number of other individuals, considered the
possibility of creating a group inside the media.tv hierarchy which would allow
a general area for the discussion of all manner of "spoilers": whether they be
the episodes themselves (downloads of US eps from peer to peer software or
sources isn't condoned by the proponent), information from US newsgroups or 
"spoiler" sites like Aint it Cool or US magazine and TV interviews. I believe 
the time is now right to formally propose such a Group.



uk.media.tv.us-spoilers is for the discussion of any and all "spoilers" 
appertaining to US TV programmes. A "spoiler" is defined as a piece of
information that could spoil the enjoyment of a UK viewer who has not yet seen
the TV show in question. All forms of spoilers are welcome: please however
restrict the information to US television programmes and not other US
entertainment media.

To clearly define what information an individual may wish to read, the tagging
of Subject: posts is VERY important. Please CLEARLY identify what show you are
referring to in your post by putting the name of that show in the Subject:  
header, in an abbreviated form. For instance:

[BTVS] Buffy
[ANG] Angel
[ST:ENT] Enterprise
[24] 24
[SFU] Six Feet Under
[SPO] The Sopranos
[FF] Firefly
[BoP] Birds of Prey
[SMV] Smallville
[DC] Dawson's Creek

are some examples: as new shows are discussed appropriate abbreviations can be
decided. As it is entirely possible that a viewer of "Smallville" may only be
interested in their own shows spoilers and may not want to know what's
in the latest episode of "24"

DO NOT PLACE SPOILERS in the "Subject: " field. The addition of Spoiler or
Courtesy Space is purely at the discretion of the individual poster: it is
assumed that if a person is subscribing to this group they will understand the
risks they are taking in doing so.

Cross-posting between this and any group whose episodes are being discussed is


Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions:

Suppliers of goods and services relevant to group subject in the UK
may post an invitation to visit their web site or request details.
It should be of four lines or fewer and not posted more than once
every 3 months.  The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ".
Personal and "fan" websites with links to Spoiler material are also welcome to
post details: preferably four lines or fewer, and no more than once a week.

Binaries & Formatting

Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which
a pointer may be posted.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should US episodes be posted to the Group:  
again, there are specific binaries groups and FTP sites for such  
purposes. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP)may be used where
authentication is important and should be as short as possible.

Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some
common newsreaders comply with this, read


Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
"postmaster" and/or Service Provider.


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