13 Jul 2002: Creation of uk.rec.running

From: Malcolm Mladenovic <m.mladenovic@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:21:48 +0100
Subject: Creation of uk.rec.running PASSES (43:5)
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,rec.running,uk.sport.athletics


Creation of unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.running

Summary: Yes beat No by 38 votes (43:5 with 4 Abstentions)


Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 20th June, 2002

Proponent: Tim Downie <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Votetaker: Malcolm Mladenovic <m.mladenovic@ukvoting.org.uk>

uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config rec.running uk.sport.athletics
A copy was also posted by the votetaker to the ukrunning yahoo list.


There were 52 valid ballots.

                        YES: 43
                         NO:  5
                    ABSTAIN:  4

YES beat NO by 38 votes. Under the Guidelines for Group Creation
there must be 12 more yes votes than no votes. Accordingly this
proposal PASSES.

Individual Vote Details

  Name                    Address                                   Vote
  ----                    -------                                   ----

  DG                      dickg.dickalba.idap.demon.co.uk           ABSTAIN
  mysteron                mysteron.ahe.zetnet.co.uk                 ABSTAIN
  Richard Kettlewell      richard+ukrun.sfere.aim.greenend.org.uk   ABSTAIN
  paul                    {voter}.watman.bah.clara.co.uk            ABSTAIN

  Andrew Stoker           andrew.inicp.peek-a-boo.org.uk            NO
  Ian Jackson             ijackson.ieepp.chiark.greenend.org.uk     NO
  Mudge                   mudge.eae.ringtail.fsnet.co.uk            NO
  Peter Munn              pmunnsub.pearce-neptune.jepra.demon.co.uk NO
  Peter Skov              skovpeter.efbdk.hotmail.com               NO

  Andrew Graham           andrewg.asisk.codemasters.com             YES 
  Andrew Whaley           andrew.trailgauge.pem.com                 YES
  Bill Muskett            billn.fhh.musketts.org.uk                 YES
  boglin                  boglin.estof.cypherspace.org.uk           YES
  Brian Wakem             b.wakem.elld.cv-library.co.uk             YES
  Chris Bates             c.d.nhl.bates.shu.ac.uk                   YES
  Clusterhead             clusterhead.ahaaa.lineone.net             YES
  Colin Blackburn         colin.hrprt.blackburn.durham.ac.uk        YES
  David Gibson            david-9.gollm.caves.org.uk                YES
  David Uri               davidurivest.aylf.bigfoot.com             YES
  David Robertson         d.robertson.efae.physics.gla.ac.uk        YES
  Dave Smith              Dsmith.care4free.ffnea.net                YES
  Grumpii                 grumpii.bapa.freeuk.com                   YES
  James Barton            james_barton.ntlworld.ing.com             YES 
  John Deaton             john.johndeaton.voiei.freeserve.co.uk     YES
  Jon Beasley-Murray      jpb8.pkee.duke.edu                        YES
  KEN                     ken.tstil.dasha.demon.co.uk               YES
  Jon Thomson             mawdl.ehe.csv.warwick.ac.uk               YES
  Mike Murdoch            mike.beips.murdoch.virgin.net             YES
  www.vphthac.org.uk      paul.sdhws.mckinleys.co.uk                YES
  Paul Rooney             paulvrooney.btinternet.issl.com           YES
  paul_w@nospamcix.co.uk  paul_w.gke.cix.co.uk                      YES
  Philip Powell           philip.hkgb.blencathra.org.uk             YES
  Paul Leake              p.j.leake.kehdg.durham.ac.uk              YES
  Peter Smyth             psmyth.ktsf.gmx.net                       YES
  Rodney Blackall         rblackall.hbomh.rodsrisc.demon.co.uk      YES
  Richard Letts           richard-vote.illuin.enp.org               YES 
  Richard D               r.ite.kimthecat.fsnet.co.uk               YES
  Robert Horton           robh.informatics.tlsmf.bangor.ac.uk       YES
  Roger Hunter            roger.hunter6481.tlfd.fsnet.co.uk         YES
  srt                     simon.tfnw.sr-taylor.co.uk                YES
  Dangerous               sjalldred.okp.tiscali.co.uk               YES
  Smythe                  Smythe.the-pub1.efot.fsnet.co.uk          YES
  Mike Stanton            stanton.glbpi.totalise.co.uk              YES
  Steve Baker             stevebakerj.rpgnl.totalise.co.uk          YES
  Jonathan Sydenham       sydenham.mail.geh.dk                      YES
  Wm                      tcnw51.dvheo.tarrcity.demon.co.uk         YES
  Steve Temple            temples.cs.ltkhn.man.ac.uk                YES
  Tim Downie              timdownieuk.esdds.yahoo.co.uk             YES
  Tim Miller              tim.bem.economic-truth.co.uk              YES 
  KorsaKing               tm172348.leded.stmail.staffs.ac.uk        YES
  Alex Holden             vote.ljn.alex-holden.co.uk                YES
  Simon Finch             webmaster.llj.26point2.co.uk              YES

Votes not counted: 2 acks bounced.

In one of these cases the voter sent separate mail to indicate a local 
problem and then re-submitted the ballot, which was then acked successfully.

In the second case, the domain (whinwhistle.freeserve.co.uk) had no MX recordnor a A record, causing the ack to bounce.  No communication was received from
the voter about the lack of acknowledgement, so this ballot was not included
in the count.  The domain was re-checked at the end of the voting period
and was still not contactable.

Votetaker's Comments

The mailing list proved to be a serious problem in that the first CFV did not
get sent there because the list is closed (I don't know if this was the case
at the time of the RFD).  Once I discovered this, I joined yahoo myself and
subbed to the list to send the 2nd CFV there.  After consultation with other  
members of UKVoting, I extended the voting period by an extra week (at this
point, there was only just over one week left of the original CFV period, and 
the problems were not the fault of the group members).  The CFV sent to the 
mailing list specificed a revised ballot closure of 23:59:59 on Friday 28th
June.   In the event, no ballots were received during the additional period.

There was a typo in the CFV which specified Thu 19th June as the end date,
whereas Thursday was the 20th.  The 20th was used.

Voting and Appeal Guidelines

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on
behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.

The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are
posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the
following URL:

The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted
to uk.net.news.announce.

Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.


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uk.rec.running  Running, jogging, racing and related issues

- ---------

The only newsgroup current aimed solely at runners is currently
rec.running.  This group is an international forum (with a largely  
transatlantic orientation) and many of the messages on this group are
not relevant to UK runners.  Differences in language, geography and   
culture also make this group a less than satisfactory home for UK
posters on running and running related subjects.  There is a mailing
list that currently provides a forum for discussion for UK runners
but I feel that a Usenet group would be a valuable addition.  I would
like to propose the creation of a new group within the UK hierarchy.

The proposed name for the group (uk.rec.running) has been chosen for
several reasons.  Firstly, any runner currently familiar with the
group rec.running might reasonably expect a uk group to follow the
same nomenclature and the addition of "uk" would be anticipated (and
sought for by new subscribers). Secondly. whilst some runners might
consider the uk.sport.athletics hierarchy a better home, I would
maintain that the majority of runners and joggers consider their
activity a "recreation" and, as such, would probably search the "rec"
hierarchy first for a newsgroup relevant to their activity. Thirdly,
it is the aim of the group to be as inclusive (in terms of the
capabilities of the runners) as possible and I feel the inclusion of
the group within the "athletics" hierarchy would intimidate many new
runners who would not consider themselves "athletes"

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This group is for running-related discussions which are primarily of
interest to joggers and runners in the United Kingdom (Scotland,
England, Wales, Northern Ireland) and the Irish Republic.

Valid topics include all aspects of running/jogging (basic fitness,
training, racing, injury management, equipment, clothing etc.)


Announcements of events relevant to the newsgroup are
permitted. Commercial advertising would be strictly prohibited.

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which are relevant to the readership are welcome and
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allowed. However, "spamming" and excessive cross-posting are not
allowed. Violation of these rules may well be a violation of the
Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) of your Internet Service Provider (ISP).


All posts must be in plain text; HTML and other types of formatted
text are forbidden. Posting URLs of relevant Internet sites, where
appropriate, is encouraged. With the explicit exception of
cryptographic signatures (eg, PGP), all encoded binaries are
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pictures, sounds, word processor documents, executable programs and
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