13 Jul 2002: Creation of uk.rec.running
From: Malcolm Mladenovic <m.mladenovic@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:21:48 +0100
Subject: Creation of uk.rec.running PASSES (43:5)
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,rec.running,uk.sport.athletics
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Creation of unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.running
Summary: Yes beat No by 38 votes (43:5 with 4 Abstentions)
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 20th June, 2002
Proponent: Tim Downie <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Votetaker: Malcolm Mladenovic <m.mladenovic@ukvoting.org.uk>
Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config rec.running uk.sport.athletics
A copy was also posted by the votetaker to the ukrunning yahoo list.
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Result
There were 52 valid ballots.
YES: 43
NO: 5
ABSTAIN: 4
YES beat NO by 38 votes. Under the Guidelines for Group Creation
there must be 12 more yes votes than no votes. Accordingly this
proposal PASSES.
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Individual Vote Details
Name Address Vote
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DG dickg.dickalba.idap.demon.co.uk ABSTAIN
mysteron mysteron.ahe.zetnet.co.uk ABSTAIN
Richard Kettlewell richard+ukrun.sfere.aim.greenend.org.uk ABSTAIN
paul {voter}.watman.bah.clara.co.uk ABSTAIN
Andrew Stoker andrew.inicp.peek-a-boo.org.uk NO
Ian Jackson ijackson.ieepp.chiark.greenend.org.uk NO
Mudge mudge.eae.ringtail.fsnet.co.uk NO
Peter Munn pmunnsub.pearce-neptune.jepra.demon.co.uk NO
Peter Skov skovpeter.efbdk.hotmail.com NO
Andrew Graham andrewg.asisk.codemasters.com YES
Andrew Whaley andrew.trailgauge.pem.com YES
Bill Muskett billn.fhh.musketts.org.uk YES
boglin boglin.estof.cypherspace.org.uk YES
Brian Wakem b.wakem.elld.cv-library.co.uk YES
Chris Bates c.d.nhl.bates.shu.ac.uk YES
Clusterhead clusterhead.ahaaa.lineone.net YES
Colin Blackburn colin.hrprt.blackburn.durham.ac.uk YES
David Gibson david-9.gollm.caves.org.uk YES
David Uri davidurivest.aylf.bigfoot.com YES
David Robertson d.robertson.efae.physics.gla.ac.uk YES
Dave Smith Dsmith.care4free.ffnea.net YES
Grumpii grumpii.bapa.freeuk.com YES
James Barton james_barton.ntlworld.ing.com YES
John Deaton john.johndeaton.voiei.freeserve.co.uk YES
Jon Beasley-Murray jpb8.pkee.duke.edu YES
KEN ken.tstil.dasha.demon.co.uk YES
Jon Thomson mawdl.ehe.csv.warwick.ac.uk YES
Mike Murdoch mike.beips.murdoch.virgin.net YES
www.vphthac.org.uk paul.sdhws.mckinleys.co.uk YES
Paul Rooney paulvrooney.btinternet.issl.com YES
paul_w@nospamcix.co.uk paul_w.gke.cix.co.uk YES
Philip Powell philip.hkgb.blencathra.org.uk YES
Paul Leake p.j.leake.kehdg.durham.ac.uk YES
Peter Smyth psmyth.ktsf.gmx.net YES
Rodney Blackall rblackall.hbomh.rodsrisc.demon.co.uk YES
Richard Letts richard-vote.illuin.enp.org YES
Richard D r.ite.kimthecat.fsnet.co.uk YES
Robert Horton robh.informatics.tlsmf.bangor.ac.uk YES
Roger Hunter roger.hunter6481.tlfd.fsnet.co.uk YES
srt simon.tfnw.sr-taylor.co.uk YES
Dangerous sjalldred.okp.tiscali.co.uk YES
Smythe Smythe.the-pub1.efot.fsnet.co.uk YES
Mike Stanton stanton.glbpi.totalise.co.uk YES
Steve Baker stevebakerj.rpgnl.totalise.co.uk YES
Jonathan Sydenham sydenham.mail.geh.dk YES
Wm tcnw51.dvheo.tarrcity.demon.co.uk YES
Steve Temple temples.cs.ltkhn.man.ac.uk YES
Tim Downie timdownieuk.esdds.yahoo.co.uk YES
Tim Miller tim.bem.economic-truth.co.uk YES
KorsaKing tm172348.leded.stmail.staffs.ac.uk YES
Alex Holden vote.ljn.alex-holden.co.uk YES
Simon Finch webmaster.llj.26point2.co.uk YES
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Votes not counted: 2 acks bounced.
In one of these cases the voter sent separate mail to indicate a local
problem and then re-submitted the ballot, which was then acked successfully.
In the second case, the domain (whinwhistle.freeserve.co.uk) had no MX recordnor a A record, causing the ack to bounce. No communication was received from
the voter about the lack of acknowledgement, so this ballot was not included
in the count. The domain was re-checked at the end of the voting period
and was still not contactable.
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Votetaker's Comments
The mailing list proved to be a serious problem in that the first CFV did not
get sent there because the list is closed (I don't know if this was the case
at the time of the RFD). Once I discovered this, I joined yahoo myself and
subbed to the list to send the 2nd CFV there. After consultation with other
members of UKVoting, I extended the voting period by an extra week (at this
point, there was only just over one week left of the original CFV period, and
the problems were not the fault of the group members). The CFV sent to the
mailing list specificed a revised ballot closure of 23:59:59 on Friday 28th
June. In the event, no ballots were received during the additional period.
There was a typo in the CFV which specified Thu 19th June as the end date,
whereas Thursday was the 20th. The 20th was used.
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Voting and Appeal Guidelines
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on
behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.
The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are
posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the
following URL:
<ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted
to uk.net.news.announce.
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.
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NEWSGROUPS LINE
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uk.rec.running Running, jogging, racing and related issues
RATIONALE
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The only newsgroup current aimed solely at runners is currently
rec.running. This group is an international forum (with a largely
transatlantic orientation) and many of the messages on this group are
not relevant to UK runners. Differences in language, geography and
culture also make this group a less than satisfactory home for UK
posters on running and running related subjects. There is a mailing
list that currently provides a forum for discussion for UK runners
but I feel that a Usenet group would be a valuable addition. I would
like to propose the creation of a new group within the UK hierarchy.
The proposed name for the group (uk.rec.running) has been chosen for
several reasons. Firstly, any runner currently familiar with the
group rec.running might reasonably expect a uk group to follow the
same nomenclature and the addition of "uk" would be anticipated (and
sought for by new subscribers). Secondly. whilst some runners might
consider the uk.sport.athletics hierarchy a better home, I would
maintain that the majority of runners and joggers consider their
activity a "recreation" and, as such, would probably search the "rec"
hierarchy first for a newsgroup relevant to their activity. Thirdly,
it is the aim of the group to be as inclusive (in terms of the
capabilities of the runners) as possible and I feel the inclusion of
the group within the "athletics" hierarchy would intimidate many new
runners who would not consider themselves "athletes"
CHARTER
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This group is for running-related discussions which are primarily of
interest to joggers and runners in the United Kingdom (Scotland,
England, Wales, Northern Ireland) and the Irish Republic.
Valid topics include all aspects of running/jogging (basic fitness,
training, racing, injury management, equipment, clothing etc.)
Advertising
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permitted. Commercial advertising would be strictly prohibited.
Acceptable use
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which are relevant to the readership are welcome and
encouraged. Cross-posting to/from other *relevant* newsgroups is
allowed. However, "spamming" and excessive cross-posting are not
allowed. Violation of these rules may well be a violation of the
Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) of your Internet Service Provider (ISP).
Format
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text are forbidden. Posting URLs of relevant Internet sites, where
appropriate, is encouraged. With the explicit exception of
cryptographic signatures (eg, PGP), all encoded binaries are
forbidden. Forbidden binaries include, but are not limited to:
pictures, sounds, word processor documents, executable programs and
"business cards".
Warning
Anyone posting advertisements, binaries or other material contrary to
this charter may be reported to their ISP or postmaster.
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