22 Feb 2001: Amend Hierarchy Charter for uk.org.*

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Subject: RESULT: Amend the Hierarchy Charter for uk.org
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                RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Amendment of hierarchy charder for uk.org.* proposal PASSES

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 17th Feb 2001.

            Proponent: Dave Hillam <dave@hbarnet.freeserve.co.uk>
    Primary Votetaker: Malcolm Mladenovic <m.mladenovic@ukvoting.org.uk>
  Secondary Votetaker: David Mahon <ukvoting@amigo.co.uk>

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale & Proposed Charter Change

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PROPOSAL - Amend hierarchy charter for uk.org

    YES : 18 votes
     NO :  1  vote
ABSTAIN :     None
  Total : 19 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 17 votes. For a proposal to pass, there
must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal

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Particulars of the Vote

Question = Amend the hierarchy charter for uk.org.*

Y= Yes, N = No, A = Abstain

Address                 Name                                    Vote
Charles Lindsey         chl.clw.avhgb.cs.man.ac.uk              N
Alan Fleming            af.kfbhc.etrigan.org                    Y
Andrew Hartley          andrew.smy.eastupham.freeserve.co.uk    Y
Carl Inglis             uther.tnbp.yoshiwara.demon.co.uk        Y
Chris Croughton         chris.keristor.lehla.org                Y
Dave Hillam             dave.bdlha.hbarnet.freeserve.co.uk      Y
Graham Drabb;e          graham.spu.drabble.lineone.net          Y
Guy Morgan              guy.eaf.first-light-services.co.uk      Y
Jack Howard             jack.afh.stormshadow.co.uk              Y
Jezza                   jezza.kda.hotwells.freeserve.co.uk      Y
Jonathan Wheeler        J.F.Wheeler.piml.rl.ac.uk               Y
Mark Tyndall            mrt102.gsevh.york.ac.uk                 Y
Nick Regan              nick.aoly.nregan.co.uk                  Y
Patrick Herring         p.ywb.herring.dcs.shef.ac.uk            Y
Peter Munn              pmunnsub.mgs.pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk Y
Philip Powell           philip.poi.blencathra.org.uk            Y
simon gray              simon.feg.star-one.org.uk               Y
Steph Peters            vote.sandbenders.tlt.demon.co.uk        Y
Tom Harris              t.otehe.harris.iname.com                Y

Rejected votes


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Votetakers Comments:

Nothing to be said really - is this the lowest ever vote turnout in

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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.

The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
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During discussion on the recently submitted RFD for uk.community.trades-
unions, the view was expressed that this group may better be placed in
the uk.org.* hierarchy; a straw poll, although inconclusive, confirmed a
degree of support for this placement.

The present hierarchy charter for uk.org.*, however, stipulates that
groups will not be created in that hierarchy contrary to the wishes of
the organisation itself. An amendment to the uk.org.* hierarchy charter
to provide for groups to discuss classes of organisations is proposed;
this would then allow for further groups to he created in sub-
hierarchies below these groups (e.g. uk.org.trades-unions.tgwu).

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Comments made on the RFD centred on whether the existing hierarchy
charter ought to be broadened beyond specific organisations or,
alternatively, whether the clause requiring organisational consent
applied for general groups (eg uk.org.youth-clubs).

It is, however, still felt that there is a need for provision for
general groups to be created in the uk.org.* hierarchy, so that sub-
groups can exist at the next level rather than have to be placed away
from the general group. This problem was highlighted in discussion on
uk.*.trades-unions, where it would be possible to have
uk.community.trades-unions and also uk.org.trades-unions.unison (etc) 

It should be stressed that this proposal does not impact on any existing
groups or of itself create any new groups, though it will facilitate
further discussion on a (currently stalled) RFD for uk.*.trades-unions
on the merits of the naming rather than on whether the hierarchy charter
applies or not.

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"It is to be understood that groups will not be created in this
hierarchy contrary to the wishes of the organisation itself."


"Groups may be created in this hierarchy to discuss matters common to
broad classes of organisations, with groups for individual organisations
of the class in a sub-hierarchy below those groups.

"It is to be understood that groups to discuss specific organisations
will not be created in this hierarchy contrary to the wishes of the
organisation itself."


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