Path: nnrp3.clara.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet !diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co .uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Malcolm Mladenovic Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.manageme nt Subject: RESULT: Amend the Hierarchy Charter for uk.org Followup-To: uk.net.news.config Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:33:52 +0000 Sender: Charles Lindsey as Deputy Control Approved: Charles Lindsey as Deputy Control Message-ID: X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 982879967 mail2news:19599 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!probity.mcc.ac.uk!nessie.mcc.ac.uk!clw. cs.man.ac.uk Lines: 170 Xref: newspeer.clara.net uk.net.news.announce:2224 uk.net.news.config:106522 uk.net.news.management:24913 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: Amendment of hierarchy charder for uk.org.* proposal PASSES 18:1 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 17th Feb 2001. Proponent: Dave Hillam Primary Votetaker: Malcolm Mladenovic Secondary Votetaker: David Mahon Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.management - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Results 2) Particulars of the Vote 3) Votetakers Comments 4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 5) Rationale & Proposed Charter Change - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- RESULTS: PROPOSAL - Amend hierarchy charter for uk.org YES : 18 votes NO : 1 vote ABSTAIN : None Total : 19 votes YES beat NO by a majority of 17 votes. For a proposal to pass, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal PASSES. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Particulars of the Vote Question = Amend the hierarchy charter for uk.org.* Y= Yes, N = No, A = Abstain Address Name Vote Charles Lindsey chl.clw.avhgb.cs.man.ac.uk N Alan Fleming af.kfbhc.etrigan.org Y Andrew Hartley andrew.smy.eastupham.freeserve.co.uk Y Carl Inglis uther.tnbp.yoshiwara.demon.co.uk Y Chris Croughton chris.keristor.lehla.org Y Dave Hillam dave.bdlha.hbarnet.freeserve.co.uk Y Graham Drabb;e graham.spu.drabble.lineone.net Y Guy Morgan guy.eaf.first-light-services.co.uk Y Jack Howard jack.afh.stormshadow.co.uk Y Jezza jezza.kda.hotwells.freeserve.co.uk Y Jonathan Wheeler J.F.Wheeler.piml.rl.ac.uk Y Mark Tyndall mrt102.gsevh.york.ac.uk Y Nick Regan nick.aoly.nregan.co.uk Y Patrick Herring p.ywb.herring.dcs.shef.ac.uk Y Peter Munn pmunnsub.mgs.pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk Y Philip Powell philip.poi.blencathra.org.uk Y simon gray simon.feg.star-one.org.uk Y Steph Peters vote.sandbenders.tlt.demon.co.uk Y Tom Harris t.otehe.harris.iname.com Y Rejected votes none - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Votetakers Comments: Nothing to be said really - is this the lowest ever vote turnout in uk.*? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. ================================================================= RATIONALE - --------- During discussion on the recently submitted RFD for uk.community.trades- unions, the view was expressed that this group may better be placed in the uk.org.* hierarchy; a straw poll, although inconclusive, confirmed a degree of support for this placement. The present hierarchy charter for uk.org.*, however, stipulates that groups will not be created in that hierarchy contrary to the wishes of the organisation itself. An amendment to the uk.org.* hierarchy charter to provide for groups to discuss classes of organisations is proposed; this would then allow for further groups to he created in sub- hierarchies below these groups (e.g. uk.org.trades-unions.tgwu). SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION - --------------------- Comments made on the RFD centred on whether the existing hierarchy charter ought to be broadened beyond specific organisations or, alternatively, whether the clause requiring organisational consent applied for general groups (eg uk.org.youth-clubs). It is, however, still felt that there is a need for provision for general groups to be created in the uk.org.* hierarchy, so that sub- groups can exist at the next level rather than have to be placed away from the general group. This problem was highlighted in discussion on uk.*.trades-unions, where it would be possible to have uk.community.trades-unions and also uk.org.trades-unions.unison (etc) It should be stressed that this proposal does not impact on any existing groups or of itself create any new groups, though it will facilitate further discussion on a (currently stalled) RFD for uk.*.trades-unions on the merits of the naming rather than on whether the hierarchy charter applies or not. PROPOSAL - -------- ALTER EXISTING CHARTER "It is to be understood that groups will not be created in this hierarchy contrary to the wishes of the organisation itself." TO READ "Groups may be created in this hierarchy to discuss matters common to broad classes of organisations, with groups for individual organisations of the class in a sub-hierarchy below those groups. 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