14 Oct 2001: Re-Chartering uk.culture.arts.writing

From: Mark Goodge <m.goodge@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:47:47 +0100
Subject: RESULT: re-charter of uk.culture.arts.writing FAILS
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.culture.arts.writing


Result: re-charter of uk.culture.arts.writing FAILS as +12 requirement not met.


CFV: re-charter of uk.culture.arts.writing received 12 votes in favour and 
3 against, with 5 abstentions. This fails to meet the requirement for a 
winning margin of 12 or greater. Therefore, the proposal fails.

Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 9th October 2001

Proponent: Jack Howard <{J}@stormshadow.co.uk>
Votetaker: Mark Goodge <m.goodge@ukvoting.org.uk>

uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.culture.arts.writing


The full results follow below in the following order:

1) Information on the ballot
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale and Proposal



Voters were asked to vote separately on three questions:

Section 1: Amend the charter of uk.culture.arts.writing as proposed?

Section 2: If the proposal is passed, which version of the copyright
warning should be used?

Section 3: If the proposal is passed, what should be the maximum number of
lines permitted?
A: 100 lines
B: 200 lines
C: 500 lines
D: 750 lines
E: unlimited

Sections 1 and 2 were simple 2-option votes. Section 3 was a multi-option 
vote using the Condorcet voting system.



There were 20 valid votes cast.

Section 1

     YES: 12
      NO:  3

Under the Voting Procedures for the uk.* Hierarchy, a winning option must 
have at least 12 YES votes more than NO votes. In this case, the winning 
margin did not reach this number and the proposal therefore fails.

As the proposal to amend the charter fails, it was not necessary to 
evaluate the remaining options. The information is presented in the vote 
tables, below, purely for reference and to allow voters to verify their vote.




1. In sections 1, voters were asked to chose between YES and NO. In section 
2, voters were asked to choose between LONG and SHORT. These are 
represented in the vote column by 'Y', 'N', 'L' and 'S' respectively, with 
'A' indicating an abstention.

2. In section 3, voters were asked to rank the options from 1 (highest) to 
5 (lowest). Equal rankings are allowed, and any unranked options are 
considered to be ranked below all ranked options.

3. Voters used a variety of different marks (or lack of them) to indicate 
unranked options or abstentions. Irrespective of the actual character used, 
all unranked options have been represented in sections 1 and 2 by 'A' and 
in section 3 by '-' (dash).

                                                  Section  1   2    3
Name                   Email                              |   |   A B C D E

David Hadley           ah004a2055?cableinet@co@ku         N   L   1 2 3 4 5
David Mahon            dmahonvote-UCAW-RC?amigo@co@ku     N   L   1 2 3 4 5
Glenys Pople           gkp?howfen@demon@co@ku             Y   L   5 4 3 2 1
Jon Thomson            J@A@Thomson?warwick@ac@ku          Y   S   3 2 1 3 4
Jack Howard            {J}?stormshadow@co@ku              Y   L   - - 1 2 3
Monkey Doctor (aka MD) james?beresfordj@freeserve@co@ku   Y   L   5 4 3 2 1
James Coupe            james?zephyr@org@ku                A   A   1 1 1 1 1
Jeffrey Goldberg       jeffrey?goldmark@gro               A   S   2 1 3 4 5
Jezza                  jezza?hotwells@freeserve@co@ku     Y   L   2 1 3 4 5
Mark Tyndall           mrt102?york@ac@ku                  Y   S   3 2 1 2 3
Mark Wallace           mwallace?noknok@ln                 Y   L   - - 1 - -
MJR                    markj+vote?cloaked@freeserve@co@ku A   L   3 2 1 4 5
Peter J Ross           peter@j@ross?btinternet@moc        Y   S   5 4 3 2 1
Peter Smyth            psmyth?gmx@ten                     Y   S   2 1 3 4 5
Philip Powell          philip?blencathra@org@ku           A   A   - - - - -
Rex M F Smith          sumisu?gehena@demon@co@ku          Y   L   4 2 1 3 5
Rob Linham             rob_linham?yahoo@co@ku             A   L   3 2 1 4 5
SANWIN                 sanwin?lineone@ten                 N   L   1 2 3 4 5
Stuart Stanton-Davies  Stuart?Stuartd@demon@co@ku         Y   S   5 4 3 2 1
thomas lee             tfl?psp@co@ku                      Y   S   1 2 3 4 5

Invalid votes:

Nigel Ashton           nigel?nigelashton@co@ku           Ack bounced



A very low turnout made counting this ballot a trivial exercise - it took 
longer to write up the results.

Although sections 2 and 3 didn't need to be formally evaluated, I tallied 
them anyway purely for information. The long version of the copyright 
warning had a small majority, 11 to 7. Option C would have won the line 
length restriction.


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Rationale for re-charter of uk.culture.arts.writing

The original charter of this group prohibited the posting of works of
writing. Experience has shown the group to be more useful and lively
if the posting of work, for critique and discussion, is permitted, so
this RFD seeks to "accommodate" such postings.  As far as possible
this charter has been derived from the current Mini-FAQ of UCAW, with
amendments suggested by various readers of uk.net.news.config during a
previous re-chartering attempt.

Proposal: Change the charter of uk.culture.arts.writing to the following:

Newsgroups line:
uk.culture.arts.writing  Discussion & critique of all forms of writing in
the UK

Charter uk.culture.arts.writing

UCAW is aimed to be a UK-centred group where writers, and those
interested in the subject of writing, can discuss work and opinions
about writing in the English language.

[i] Original writing

Somewhere for writers (of all genres/forms), with a UK interest, to
post their work and have it discussed and critiqued by
others. Somewhere for readers to cast their eye over new writers work,
with a UK connection, for interest.

# Begin Alternative wording

# Copyright warning: long version

Note: Potential posters beware, once a work has been posted to Usenet,
it is highly unlikely to be accepted for publication by any commercial
organization.  While technically you retain copyright, posting a work
to Usenet is regarded in some quarters as releasing it to the Public
Domain.  UCAW is intended for those wishing to learn the craft of
writing, rather than for final publication of completed works.  A work
posted on UCAW will in all likelihood be un-saleable anywhere else.

# OR

# Copyright warning: short

Potential posters should be aware that once work has been posted to
Usenet, commercial publishers may be unwilling to republish it.

# End alternative wording

[ii] Publishing

For people to ask questions, offer insights and assistance with the
practicalities of getting work published in the United Kingdom.

[iii] Discussion

Readers, academics, writers, and anyone else interested in the
subject, can use UCAW to discuss the work of published authors, points
on style and grammar, and anything else that roughly fits in.

What is acceptable posting?

[G] Generally

As per pretty much anywhere on Usenet, personal abuse is unacceptable
and so is spam.  Post your own works, or constructively comment on
other people's posts, and everyone gains.  See also the note on
"Formatting" below.

[i] Original writing

It's probably a good idea to prefix the header with [story], [essay],
[poem], or other appropriate description just so people know what
you're about.  A word count in the subject line may also be helpful.

Length: Postings should generally be restricted to a maximum length of
\nnnnn\ lines of no more than 72 characters.  Very long posts are
unlikely to be read, and are also wasteful of news server disk space
and transmission - remember, any article you post will be copied and
stored on thousands of computer systems around the world.

# The value of \nnnnn\ in the paragraph above is to be decided by vote.

# If the vote is in favour of no maximum, the first
# sentence will be deleted entirely.

[ii] Publishing

If you offer any opinions regarding publishing, it would help if you
qualify comments with your experiences. It will add some weight to
your observations. Again, this isn't a hard and fast rule, just a


Advertising is forbidden.

Binaries & Formatting

Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden.  Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a
pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used
where authentication is important and should be as short as possible.
Posters are asked to refrain from using cryptographic signatures

Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted
messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common newsreaders comply
with this, read <URL: http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.


Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
System Administrator and/or Service Provider.



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