28 Aug 2001: Create newsgroup uk.net.regulation

From: David Mahon <dmahon@amigo.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:08:37 +0100
Subject: RESULT: Create uk.net.regulation PASSES 44:12
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,alt.internet.providers.uk,demon.service,uk.telecom



Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.regulation PASSES 44:12


Voting opened Sunday 5 August 2001
Voting closed Friday 24 August 2001

Proponent: Denis Mcmahon <denisf@pickaxe.demon.co.uk>
Votetaker: David Mahon <vote-netreg@amigo.co.uk>



uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, alt.internet.providers.uk,
demon.service, uk.telecom



Valid votes received  : 58
Total votes in favour : 44
Total votes against   : 12
Total abstentions     :  2

A vote will succeed if a majority of the valid votes are FOR and if
the number FOR is at least 12 greater than the number AGAINST.

A majority of votes has been cast in favour of the proposal (44/58).
Votes received in favour (44) exceeded received votes against (12) by
more than the required minimum of twelve votes (44 - 12 = 32).
Accordingly, the proposal to create uk.net.regulation succeeds.



Name                    Email                                   Vote

`p                      paul#smartart-ku-oc                     ABSTAIN
Eddie Bernard           usenet#ebernard-greatxscape-ten         ABSTAIN
Aegean                  master_aegean#hotmail-moc               NO  
Alex D. Baxter          alex-news#oenone-demon-oc-ku            NO   
Andrew Wheatley         andrew-wheatley#union-gro-za            NO
Andy Mabbett            andy#pigsonthewing-gro-ku               NO
Anthony R. Gold         tgold#panix-moc                         NO
Barry Dorrans           barryd#bann-oc-ku                       NO
Chris Hunter            chris#monrepos-gro                      NO
J M Kemp                james#none-gro-ku                       NO
Paul C. Dickie          pcd#bozzie-demon-oc-ku                  NO
Peter Smyth             psmyth#ukf-ten                          NO  
Richard Clayton         richard#highwayman-moc                  NO
Thomas Lee              tfl#psp-oc-ku                           NO
{R}                     {R}#semolina-gro                        YES
Andrew John Preater     angelcake#myrealbox-moc                 YES 
Andrew Stoker           andrew#peek-a-boo-gro-ku                YES  
Bob Brewer              rwb#grantura-oc-ku                      YES
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}  bhk#dsl-oc-ku                           YES
Carl Inglis             usenet#yoshiwara-demon-oc-ku            YES
Charles Lindsey         chl#clw-cs-man-ca-ku                    YES
Christian P. Hansen     chris#hansenhome-demon-oc-ku            YES
Clive Feather           clive#demon-ten                         YES
Dave Pearson            davep#davep-gro                         YES
David Bolt              dbolt#my-ste-demon-oc-ku                YES 
Denis Mcmahon           denis#pickaxe-demon-oc-ku               YES
Dick Gaughan            dickg#dickalba-demon-oc-ku              YES
Fearghas McKay          fm#st-kilda-gro                         YES
funkykipper             funkykipper#netscapeonline-oc-ku        YES 
Graham Murray           graham#barnowl-demon-oc-ku              YES  
Ian Kitching            i-m-kitching#anglia-ca-ku               YES
Ian Stirling            inquisitor#i-am                         YES
James Coupe             james#zephyr-gro-ku                     YES
Jeffrey Goldberg        jeffrey#goldmark-gro                    YES
John-Henry Collinson    jhenry#jhenry-demon-oc-ku               YES
Jon Thomson             jon#thomson2273-freeserve-oc-ku         YES
Julie Brandon           julie-vote#computergeeks-oc-ku          YES
Justin Murdock          justin-voteonly#quick-hacks-oc-ku       YES 
Malcolm Duncan          mhduncan#compuserve-moc                 YES
Mark Chater             mark#chater-demon-oc-ku                 YES
Matthew Malthouse       matthew#calmeilles-demon-oc-ku          YES
Patrick Daley           pads#ebost-moc                          YES 
Patrick Herring         anweald#ntlworld-moc                    YES  
paul                    usenet#watman-clara-oc-ku               YES
Peter Duncanson         mail#peterduncanson-ten                 YES
Phil Wade               phil#pooters-gro-ku                     YES
philip page             philip-j-page#btinternet-moc            YES
Philip Powell           philip#blencathra-gro-ku                YES
Richard Kennaway        jrk#sys-uea-ca-ku                       YES
Richard Kettlewell      richard+netreg#sfere-greenend-gro-ku    YES
Rob Golding             rob-golding#othellotech-oc-ku           YES 
Roger Hayter            roger#hayter-demon-oc-ku                YES
Roy Collett             roy#rxs1-demon-oc-ku                    YES
Steve Peake             usenet#puppet-head-oc-ku                YES
Stuart Painting         stuart#zedtoo-demon-oc-ku               YES 
sumisu  s               umisu#gehena-demon-oc-ku                YES  
Tony Wright             adw#saska-demon-oc-ku                   YES
Wm                      tcnw41#tarrcity-demon-oc-ku             YES



One acknowledgement initially bounced with a warning from "SpamCop"
that I had to "click on the following link" to allow my email to pass.
Numerous attempts at emailing the voter were greeted with the same
message, including my email telling him that as my acknowledgement had
bounced, his email address must be invalid and consequently his vote
had been disregarded. Despite the warning from "SpamCop" that the
message would not be passed through, the voter did eventually pick up
my emails and he responded that he would now allow messages, and
specifically acknowledgements, from me to pass through the SpamCop
filter system without hindrance. His vote was then allowed.

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votes being discarded.



uk.net.regulation       Regulation of the Internet in the UK


RATIONALE: uk.net.regulation

The following organisations are currently believed to have some role
or responsibility for monitoring, regulating and co-ordinating UK
ISPs, content available from them and the UK legal position regarding
the Internet:

Trading Standards Offices
Financial Services Regulators
UK Law Enforcement Agencies
The Information Commissioner
ECP/EMP Cancelbots
The Courts

(This list is not intended to be exhaustive)

Whilst some issues pertaining to specific aspects of the activities of
these organisations in respect of the Internet may be found in various
newsgroups, there is no single group, with the possible exception of
uk.net, where broad ranging discussion of all regulatory issues
affecting the Internet within the UK can be appropriately discussed.
This proposal seeks to create such a group.



Discussion leading to some minor changes in the proposal as evident
from the changes made.

Alternative names suggested: uk.net.nannies,
uk.politics.net-regulation, uk.legal.net-regulation

Some discussion about wording of the advertising clause.

Discussion about newsgroups to which the RFD was posted.

Suggestion that uk.net is appropriate and sufficient.

Discussion about "regulatory position / mandate" of bodies listed in
the rationale in respect of the Internet in the UK.

Suggestion that as "policies" may be discussed, such matters should be
in the uk.politics.* hierarchy.

The proponent's reading of discussion is that of approximately 20
people who took part:

10 expressed an opinion that they would use the group, of which 1
later changed his mind and was one of 2 who expressed the opinion that
uk.net was more appropriate.

5 felt that the RFD should be posted in, or that the group should be
created in, either the uk.politics or uk.legal hierarchies.

The remainder of comment was either sidetracked from the discussion,
or offered no real input.

Proponent does not feel there was sufficient support for a Fast Track,
but that a CFV is warranted.


CHARTER uk.net.regulation

This newsgroup is for discussing the regulatory framework in which the
Internet operates within the UK, and the roles of ISPs, Statutory
Authorities and other organisations in maintaining and enforcing that


Advertising is forbidden.

Once off pointers to material relating to the regulation of the
Internet in the UK are allowed.

Binaries & Formatting

Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden.  Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a
pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used
where authentication is important and should be as short as possible.

Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common
newsreaders comply with this, read


Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
"postmaster" and/or Service Provider.



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behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.

The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are
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David Mahon

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