28 Aug 2001: Create newsgroup uk.net.regulation
From: David Mahon <dmahon@amigo.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:08:37 +0100
Subject: RESULT: Create uk.net.regulation PASSES 44:12
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,alt.internet.providers.uk,demon.service,uk.telecom
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES
Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.regulation PASSES 44:12
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Voting opened Sunday 5 August 2001
Voting closed Friday 24 August 2001
Proponent: Denis Mcmahon <denisf@pickaxe.demon.co.uk>
Votetaker: David Mahon <vote-netreg@amigo.co.uk>
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Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, alt.internet.providers.uk,
demon.service, uk.telecom
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RESULTS IN BRIEF
Valid votes received : 58
Total votes in favour : 44
Total votes against : 12
Total abstentions : 2
A vote will succeed if a majority of the valid votes are FOR and if
the number FOR is at least 12 greater than the number AGAINST.
A majority of votes has been cast in favour of the proposal (44/58).
Votes received in favour (44) exceeded received votes against (12) by
more than the required minimum of twelve votes (44 - 12 = 32).
Accordingly, the proposal to create uk.net.regulation succeeds.
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THE RESULTS IN FULL
Name Email Vote
`p paul#smartart-ku-oc ABSTAIN
Eddie Bernard usenet#ebernard-greatxscape-ten ABSTAIN
Aegean master_aegean#hotmail-moc NO
Alex D. Baxter alex-news#oenone-demon-oc-ku NO
Andrew Wheatley andrew-wheatley#union-gro-za NO
Andy Mabbett andy#pigsonthewing-gro-ku NO
Anthony R. Gold tgold#panix-moc NO
Barry Dorrans barryd#bann-oc-ku NO
Chris Hunter chris#monrepos-gro NO
J M Kemp james#none-gro-ku NO
Paul C. Dickie pcd#bozzie-demon-oc-ku NO
Peter Smyth psmyth#ukf-ten NO
Richard Clayton richard#highwayman-moc NO
Thomas Lee tfl#psp-oc-ku NO
{R} {R}#semolina-gro YES
Andrew John Preater angelcake#myrealbox-moc YES
Andrew Stoker andrew#peek-a-boo-gro-ku YES
Bob Brewer rwb#grantura-oc-ku YES
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk#dsl-oc-ku YES
Carl Inglis usenet#yoshiwara-demon-oc-ku YES
Charles Lindsey chl#clw-cs-man-ca-ku YES
Christian P. Hansen chris#hansenhome-demon-oc-ku YES
Clive Feather clive#demon-ten YES
Dave Pearson davep#davep-gro YES
David Bolt dbolt#my-ste-demon-oc-ku YES
Denis Mcmahon denis#pickaxe-demon-oc-ku YES
Dick Gaughan dickg#dickalba-demon-oc-ku YES
Fearghas McKay fm#st-kilda-gro YES
funkykipper funkykipper#netscapeonline-oc-ku YES
Graham Murray graham#barnowl-demon-oc-ku YES
Ian Kitching i-m-kitching#anglia-ca-ku YES
Ian Stirling inquisitor#i-am YES
James Coupe james#zephyr-gro-ku YES
Jeffrey Goldberg jeffrey#goldmark-gro YES
John-Henry Collinson jhenry#jhenry-demon-oc-ku YES
Jon Thomson jon#thomson2273-freeserve-oc-ku YES
Julie Brandon julie-vote#computergeeks-oc-ku YES
Justin Murdock justin-voteonly#quick-hacks-oc-ku YES
Malcolm Duncan mhduncan#compuserve-moc YES
Mark Chater mark#chater-demon-oc-ku YES
Matthew Malthouse matthew#calmeilles-demon-oc-ku YES
Patrick Daley pads#ebost-moc YES
Patrick Herring anweald#ntlworld-moc YES
paul usenet#watman-clara-oc-ku YES
Peter Duncanson mail#peterduncanson-ten YES
Phil Wade phil#pooters-gro-ku YES
philip page philip-j-page#btinternet-moc YES
Philip Powell philip#blencathra-gro-ku YES
Richard Kennaway jrk#sys-uea-ca-ku YES
Richard Kettlewell richard+netreg#sfere-greenend-gro-ku YES
Rob Golding rob-golding#othellotech-oc-ku YES
Roger Hayter roger#hayter-demon-oc-ku YES
Roy Collett roy#rxs1-demon-oc-ku YES
Steve Peake usenet#puppet-head-oc-ku YES
Stuart Painting stuart#zedtoo-demon-oc-ku YES
sumisu s umisu#gehena-demon-oc-ku YES
Tony Wright adw#saska-demon-oc-ku YES
Wm tcnw41#tarrcity-demon-oc-ku YES
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VOTETAKER'S COMMENTS:
One acknowledgement initially bounced with a warning from "SpamCop"
that I had to "click on the following link" to allow my email to pass.
Numerous attempts at emailing the voter were greeted with the same
message, including my email telling him that as my acknowledgement had
bounced, his email address must be invalid and consequently his vote
had been disregarded. Despite the warning from "SpamCop" that the
message would not be passed through, the voter did eventually pick up
my emails and he responded that he would now allow messages, and
specifically acknowledgements, from me to pass through the SpamCop
filter system without hindrance. His vote was then allowed.
Voters are reminded that it is their responsibility to vote using an
address which UKVoting can validate. It may not be practical in a busy
vote for the votetaker to jump though a variety of manual hoops
imposed by customised antispam schemes. Vote acknowledgements which
generate reply-tokens or similar encumbrances could result in those
votes being discarded.
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NEWSGROUP LINE:
uk.net.regulation Regulation of the Internet in the UK
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RATIONALE: uk.net.regulation
The following organisations are currently believed to have some role
or responsibility for monitoring, regulating and co-ordinating UK
ISPs, content available from them and the UK legal position regarding
the Internet:
OfTel
ICSTIS
The ASA
Trading Standards Offices
Financial Services Regulators
The IWF
The BBFC
UK Law Enforcement Agencies
The Information Commissioner
ECP/EMP Cancelbots
The Courts
(This list is not intended to be exhaustive)
Whilst some issues pertaining to specific aspects of the activities of
these organisations in respect of the Internet may be found in various
newsgroups, there is no single group, with the possible exception of
uk.net, where broad ranging discussion of all regulatory issues
affecting the Internet within the UK can be appropriately discussed.
This proposal seeks to create such a group.
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SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION
Discussion leading to some minor changes in the proposal as evident
from the changes made.
Alternative names suggested: uk.net.nannies,
uk.politics.net-regulation, uk.legal.net-regulation
Some discussion about wording of the advertising clause.
Discussion about newsgroups to which the RFD was posted.
Suggestion that uk.net is appropriate and sufficient.
Discussion about "regulatory position / mandate" of bodies listed in
the rationale in respect of the Internet in the UK.
Suggestion that as "policies" may be discussed, such matters should be
in the uk.politics.* hierarchy.
The proponent's reading of discussion is that of approximately 20
people who took part:
10 expressed an opinion that they would use the group, of which 1
later changed his mind and was one of 2 who expressed the opinion that
uk.net was more appropriate.
5 felt that the RFD should be posted in, or that the group should be
created in, either the uk.politics or uk.legal hierarchies.
The remainder of comment was either sidetracked from the discussion,
or offered no real input.
Proponent does not feel there was sufficient support for a Fast Track,
but that a CFV is warranted.
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CHARTER uk.net.regulation
This newsgroup is for discussing the regulatory framework in which the
Internet operates within the UK, and the roles of ISPs, Statutory
Authorities and other organisations in maintaining and enforcing that
framework.
Advertising
Advertising is forbidden.
Once off pointers to material relating to the regulation of the
Internet in the UK are allowed.
Binaries & Formatting
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a
pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used
where authentication is important and should be as short as possible.
Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common
newsreaders comply with this, read
<http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.
Warning
Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
"postmaster" and/or Service Provider.
END CHARTER
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David Mahon
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