13 Jul 2000: Create UK USENET MENTORS group

From: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:31:13 +0100
Subject: RESULT : Creation of UK-Mentors Group PASSES 27:8
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.management


                        RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Creation of UK-Mentors Group

PROPOSAL - Creation of UK-Mentors Group PASSES 27:8

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 8th July 2000.

          Proponent: Iain Bowen <alaric@alaric.org.uk>
  Primary Votetaker: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Secondary Votetaker: Alex Holden <a.holden@ukvoting.org.uk>

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uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.management

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale & Proposed Charter

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PROPOSAL - Creation of UK-Mentors Group

    YES : 27 votes
     NO :  8 votes
ABSTAIN :  2 votes
  Total : 37 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 34 votes. For group passage, there must
be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the group has passed.

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Creation of UK-Mentors Group Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes - 27 votes
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alaric.alaric@rgo.ku (Iain Bowen)                                     
andy.pigsonthewing@rgo.ku (Andy Mabbett)                              
cj.moodog@rgo.ku (Chris Bannister)                                    
d.toye.ntlworld@omc (Daniel Toye)                                     
dave.hbarnet.freeserve@oc.ku (Dave Hillam)                            
graham.drabble.lineone@etn (Graham Drabble)                           
james.zephyr@rgo.ku (James Coupe)                                     
john.jhall@oc.ku (John Hall)                                          
max.mbstockwell.freeserve@oc.ku (Max Boucher)                         
molly.mockfords.clara@oc.ku (Molly Mockford)                          
mrt102.york@ca.ku (Mark Tyndall)                                      
nick.nregan@oc.ku (Nick Regan)                                        
npch.tardis.ed@ca.ku (Neil Chue Hong)                                 
peter.gradwell@omc (Peter Gradwell)                                   
peter.manorcon.demon@oc.ku (Peter Sullivan)                           
philip.blencathra.demon@oc.ku (Philip Powell)                         
philwade.bigfoot@omc (Phil Wade)                                      
rjk+mentor-vote.sfere.greenend@rgo.ku (Richard Kettlewell)            
robbie.ukvote.arrakis@un (Robbie)                                     
steve.wrightnet.demon@oc.ku (Steve Wright)                            
tfl.psp@oc.ku (Thomas Lee)                                            
thefishingcat.cwcom@etn (fishingcat)                                  
tim.snowgoons.fsnet@oc.ku (Tim Walls)                                 
tmf.ecs.soton@ca.ku (Tim Forcer)                                      
tony.tagman.demon@oc.ku (Tony)                                        
uk-ment.nukesoft@oc.ku (Marcus Houlden)                               
werkhaus.tcp@oc.ku (M@)                                               

Voted No - 8 votes
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andy.roberts.zetnet@oc.ku (Andy Roberts)                              
brian.brianb.u-net@omc (Brian Barlow)                                 
davey_brown.ntlworld@omc (Dave Brown)                                 
dmahon.amigo@oc.ku (David Mahon)                                      
firebeast.firebeast.worldonline@oc.ku (Firebeast)                     
jon.plews@oc.ku (Jon Plews)                                           
jon.thomson2273.freeserve@oc.ku (Jon Thomson)                         
rob.thebain.freeserve@oc.ku (Rob Bain)                                

Abstained - 2 votes
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alan.whirlnet@oc.ku (Alan Ford)                                       
esmerelda9667.my-deja@omc (Esmerelda Patterson)                       

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Votetakers Comments:

Apart from one vote, which showed up a small problem with the vote
pre-processing script (i.e. it previously had a minimum length of 3
characters for the name, which had to be reduced to 2 to get it to take
M@'s vote), everyone managed to get their ballot paper completed
correctly and sent to the right address.

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This vote was conducted by two neutral third party members of UKVoting. 
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf 
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.  

The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted 
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:


The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.  Allegations of irregularity should be sent to

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uk.* proponents, despite the widespread uses of such valuable 
facilities as both the RFDMaker and www.usenet.org.uk, frequently run 
into problems with making proposals, these can range from naming 
decisions, to the text of charter or simply what to do to make a valid 
proposal. The number of proposals which do not go to fast track or CFV 
is, in pars partem, symptomatic of the difficulties of group creation. 
The group- mentors scheme in the Big-8 attempts to rectify many of 
these problems by offering help and advice to proponents before the RFD 
stage. This proposal seeks, in a slightly different manner, to 
replicate this facility.  

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1. There shall be an organization called UK USENET MENTORS, its purpose 
being to help proponents with naming, wording of charters, use of 
available resources, submission of proposal. Normally, mentoring advice 
would cease when either a fast-track request or CFV was requested and 
in many cases would end when a successful submission to 
uk.net.news.announce was made.  

2. Use of uk mentors is NOT a required part of submitting an RFD, but 
is recomended to those who are unfamilar with the RFD process, and 
highly recomended to first time uk.* proponents.  

3. The organization shall be headed by either a committee member or 
person appointed by the commitee who shall assume a management and 
oversight role only. It will mainly communicate by an internal mailing 
list and via a web page for external information.  

4. Any person within uk.* who is not a committee member may apply to 
become a uk-mentor by approaching the oversight mentor. It is strongly 
recommended that the candidate mentor should have successfully been a 
proponent for a proposal in uk.*. It is also suggested that candidate 
mentors are familiar with the Guidelines and with current activity and 
trends within uk.net.news.*.  

5. UK-Mentors would be expected to have a good understanding of 
procedures within uk.* and be able to assist naming, wording of 
charters, help with resources and timetabling of proposals.   

6. Mentors shall attempt to act in a non-judgemental manner at all 
times regardless of their opinions of proponent or subject matter. They 
shall attempt to be non-directive, giving the proponent a number of 
suggested options where it is possible to do so. These options may 
include creation in other heirarchies or as mailing lists where 

7. Any person not persistently keeping up to these standards may be 
removed from the list by a general agreement of those on the uk-mentors 
mailing list. Any proposals being mentored by a removed person shall be 
reassigned by the oversight mentor to other mentors.  

8. Proponents may either approach the uk-mentors directly using a 
submission email address or may be referred to the uk-mentors by 
Control or the committee.  

9. The usual situation shall be for one mentor to be assigned to one 
proposal by the oversight mentor, however, in certain circumstances the 
mentor may wish either guidance on specific points from the mailing 
list or work the whole proposal through with the mailing list.  

10. Assignment of mentors should be done by volunteering and mentors 
must not take on proposals with which they have disagreements on the 
subject matter. In addition, Mentors should also be aware of the 
pitfalls of mentoring a proposal that they have great personal interest 
in. Mentors or proponents may request of the oversight mentor that they 
reassign the mentoring of the proposal should a personality clash 


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