Path: oaktree.co.uk!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!usenet.org.uk!not-for-mail From: Barry Salter Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.management Subject: RESULT : Creation of UK-Mentors Group PASSES 27:8 Followup-To: uk.net.news.management Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:31:13 +0100 Message-ID: Sender: Control Approved: Control X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP uk.net.news.announce iQCVAwUBOW4ZAmOfGXkh8vHZAQHvPgP5AZaQx5P1JfBl54H33uivTtRkVWa8JZG1 g3XZc6sjuuLODWjWPSFHE1qnZZM+d8ET3Olo5LZ6zwP3w8SQF2H9uQR/FHpiDlEP x6/sOSGID/LuobpEgjSxgZpGpK8V+cgvfAniEFtxxSINxJWnvIdstl4PhEI0y6NF 3dzyMj0Iwvc= =BlaL Lines: 212 Xref: oaktree.co.uk uk.net.news.announce:1865 uk.net.news.config:93352 uk.net.news.management:15703 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: Creation of UK-Mentors Group PROPOSAL - Creation of UK-Mentors Group PASSES 27:8 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 8th July 2000. Proponent: Iain Bowen Primary Votetaker: Barry Salter Secondary Votetaker: Alex Holden - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.management - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Results 2) Particulars of the Vote 3) Votetakers Comments 4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 5) Rationale & Proposed Charter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RESULTS: PROPOSAL - Creation of UK-Mentors Group YES : 27 votes NO : 8 votes ABSTAIN : 2 votes Total : 37 votes YES beat NO by a majority of 34 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the group has passed. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Creation of UK-Mentors Group Final Vote Ack Voted Yes - 27 votes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ alaric.alaric@rgo.ku (Iain Bowen) andy.pigsonthewing@rgo.ku (Andy Mabbett) cj.moodog@rgo.ku (Chris Bannister) d.toye.ntlworld@omc (Daniel Toye) dave.hbarnet.freeserve@oc.ku (Dave Hillam) graham.drabble.lineone@etn (Graham Drabble) james.zephyr@rgo.ku (James Coupe) john.jhall@oc.ku (John Hall) max.mbstockwell.freeserve@oc.ku (Max Boucher) molly.mockfords.clara@oc.ku (Molly Mockford) mrt102.york@ca.ku (Mark Tyndall) nick.nregan@oc.ku (Nick Regan) npch.tardis.ed@ca.ku (Neil Chue Hong) peter.gradwell@omc (Peter Gradwell) peter.manorcon.demon@oc.ku (Peter Sullivan) philip.blencathra.demon@oc.ku (Philip Powell) philwade.bigfoot@omc (Phil Wade) rjk+mentor-vote.sfere.greenend@rgo.ku (Richard Kettlewell) robbie.ukvote.arrakis@un (Robbie) steve.wrightnet.demon@oc.ku (Steve Wright) tfl.psp@oc.ku (Thomas Lee) thefishingcat.cwcom@etn (fishingcat) tim.snowgoons.fsnet@oc.ku (Tim Walls) tmf.ecs.soton@ca.ku (Tim Forcer) tony.tagman.demon@oc.ku (Tony) uk-ment.nukesoft@oc.ku (Marcus Houlden) werkhaus.tcp@oc.ku (M@) Voted No - 8 votes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ andy.roberts.zetnet@oc.ku (Andy Roberts) brian.brianb.u-net@omc (Brian Barlow) davey_brown.ntlworld@omc (Dave Brown) dmahon.amigo@oc.ku (David Mahon) firebeast.firebeast.worldonline@oc.ku (Firebeast) jon.plews@oc.ku (Jon Plews) jon.thomson2273.freeserve@oc.ku (Jon Thomson) rob.thebain.freeserve@oc.ku (Rob Bain) Abstained - 2 votes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ alan.whirlnet@oc.ku (Alan Ford) esmerelda9667.my-deja@omc (Esmerelda Patterson) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Votetakers Comments: Apart from one vote, which showed up a small problem with the vote pre-processing script (i.e. it previously had a minimum length of 3 characters for the name, which had to be reduced to 2 to get it to take M@'s vote), everyone managed to get their ballot paper completed correctly and sent to the right address. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This vote was conducted by two neutral third party members of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RATIONALE: uk.* proponents, despite the widespread uses of such valuable facilities as both the RFDMaker and www.usenet.org.uk, frequently run into problems with making proposals, these can range from naming decisions, to the text of charter or simply what to do to make a valid proposal. The number of proposals which do not go to fast track or CFV is, in pars partem, symptomatic of the difficulties of group creation. The group- mentors scheme in the Big-8 attempts to rectify many of these problems by offering help and advice to proponents before the RFD stage. This proposal seeks, in a slightly different manner, to replicate this facility. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PROPOSED GUIDELINES: 1. There shall be an organization called UK USENET MENTORS, its purpose being to help proponents with naming, wording of charters, use of available resources, submission of proposal. Normally, mentoring advice would cease when either a fast-track request or CFV was requested and in many cases would end when a successful submission to uk.net.news.announce was made. 2. Use of uk mentors is NOT a required part of submitting an RFD, but is recomended to those who are unfamilar with the RFD process, and highly recomended to first time uk.* proponents. 3. The organization shall be headed by either a committee member or person appointed by the commitee who shall assume a management and oversight role only. It will mainly communicate by an internal mailing list and via a web page for external information. 4. Any person within uk.* who is not a committee member may apply to become a uk-mentor by approaching the oversight mentor. It is strongly recommended that the candidate mentor should have successfully been a proponent for a proposal in uk.*. It is also suggested that candidate mentors are familiar with the Guidelines and with current activity and trends within uk.net.news.*. 5. UK-Mentors would be expected to have a good understanding of procedures within uk.* and be able to assist naming, wording of charters, help with resources and timetabling of proposals. 6. Mentors shall attempt to act in a non-judgemental manner at all times regardless of their opinions of proponent or subject matter. They shall attempt to be non-directive, giving the proponent a number of suggested options where it is possible to do so. These options may include creation in other heirarchies or as mailing lists where appropriate. 7. Any person not persistently keeping up to these standards may be removed from the list by a general agreement of those on the uk-mentors mailing list. Any proposals being mentored by a removed person shall be reassigned by the oversight mentor to other mentors. 8. Proponents may either approach the uk-mentors directly using a submission email address or may be referred to the uk-mentors by Control or the committee. 9. The usual situation shall be for one mentor to be assigned to one proposal by the oversight mentor, however, in certain circumstances the mentor may wish either guidance on specific points from the mailing list or work the whole proposal through with the mailing list. 10. Assignment of mentors should be done by volunteering and mentors must not take on proposals with which they have disagreements on the subject matter. In addition, Mentors should also be aware of the pitfalls of mentoring a proposal that they have great personal interest in. Mentors or proponents may request of the oversight mentor that they reassign the mentoring of the proposal should a personality clash arise. END GUIDELINES. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOW4ZAWOfGXkh8vHZAQHODgP/VFvr5O+icjmed9D40YP6cLxUlGgaPOQV Lg9x6Qq4XhZ1HCNgKDTOezeI1J4YENYreI0nPiooD8Z/Cvtr0D5ZhsaR01e6mOvE M0CaaUJ28asDcIViscOvk0WVYYzwj3ABGiU2LtPkH11SiJb5D5lOCaauq6eM2vK3 cB97GJdVbUE= =56we -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----