19 Apr 2000: Changes to "THE UK USENET COMMITTEE" Guidelines
From: b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk (Barry Salter)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:46:59 +0100
Subject: CORRECTED RESULT : Changes to the "THE UK USENET COMMITTEE"
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.management
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RESULT - Changes to the "UK USENET COMMITTEE" Guidelines
Summary of results:
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Proposal A : Control posts the Call of Nominations on behalf of UKVoting
YES = 70 votes
NO = 11 votes
ABSTAIN = 17 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 59 votes. This is more than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.
Proposal B : UKVoting appoints a votetaker for the elections.
YES = 81 votes
NO = 10 votes
ABSTAIN = 7 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 71 votes. This is more than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.
Proposal C : SHALL, SHOULD and MAY
YES = 85 votes
NO = 4 votes
ABSTAIN = 9 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 81 votes. This is more than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.
Proposal D : Nomination of News Administrators
YES = 77 votes
NO = 7 votes
ABSTAIN = 14 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 70 votes. This is more than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.
Proposal E : Make document gender-free.
YES = 70 votes
NO = 16 votes
ABSTAIN = 12 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 54 votes. This is more than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.
Proposal F : Official name for the UK Usenet Committee
STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:
Status Quo preferred to Option 1 by 59 votes to 35
Option 2 preferred to Status Quo by 48 votes to 47
Status Quo preferred to Option 3 by 60 votes to 33
Status Quo preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 79 votes to 12
No option beats Status Quo by 12 or more votes. Accordingly, it
prevails and Stage Two is not necessary.
Proposal G : Starting Time of Committee
YES = 60 votes
NO = 20 votes
ABSTAIN = 18 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 40 votes. This is more than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.
Proposal H : Posting of Committee Elections CFV
YES = 93 votes
NO = 1 votes
ABSTAIN = 4 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 92 votes. This is more than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.
Proposal I : Control
YES = 76 votes
NO = 11 votes
ABSTAIN = 11 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 65 votes. This is more than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.
Proposal J: Term of Open and News members
STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:
Option 1 preferred to Status Quo by 51 votes to 45
Status Quo preferred to Option 2 by 73 votes to 24
Status Quo preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 80 votes to 15
No option beats Status Quo by 12 or more votes. Accordingly, it
prevails and Stage Two is not necessary.
Proposal K : Control should not be a voting member(s) of the Committee
YES = 41 votes
NO = 47 votes
ABSTAIN = 10 votes
NO beat YES by a majority of 6 votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS.
Proposal L : Limit the number of candidates someone may nominate
STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:
Option 1 preferred to Status Quo by 48 votes to 43
Option 2 preferred to Status Quo by 59 votes to 32
Option 3 preferred to Status Quo by 67 votes to 24
Status Quo preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 53 votes to 36
Both options 2 and 3 beat Status Quo by 12 or more votes. As a
result, they both survive and Stage Two is necessary to determine
the Condorcet winner.
STAGE TWO - Comparison of the remaining options:
Option 3 preferred to Option 2 by 56 votes to 38
Option 3 beats Option 2 by a majority of 18 votes. Accordingly,
it is the Condorcet winner.
Proposal M : Committee members should be identified within postings
YES = 46 votes
NO = 40 votes
ABSTAIN = 12 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 6 votes. This is less than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
FAILS.
Proposal N : Co-opting of Committee Members
YES = 62 votes
NO = 26 votes
ABSTAIN = 10 votes
YES beat NO by a majority of 36 votes. This is more than the +12
majority required to beat the Status Quo. Accordingly, the proposal
PASSES.
Proposal O : Co-opting of Committee Members
STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:
Option 1 preferred to Status Quo by 53 votes to 35
Option 2 preferred to Status Quo by 59 votes to 29
Status Quo preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 51 votes to 34
Both options 1 and 2 beat Status Quo by 12 or more votes. As a
result, they both survive and Stage Two is necessary to determine
the Condorcet winner.
STAGE TWO - Comparison of the remaining options:
Option 1 preferred to Option 2 by 47 votes to 38
Option 1 beats Option 2 by a majority of 9 votes. Accordingly, it is
the Condorcet winner.
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 13th April 2000
Proponent: Rob Felton <swinny@cix.co.uk>
Primary votetaker: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Secondary votetaker: Richard Ashton <r.ashton@ukvoting.org.uk>
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Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.management
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The Results:
The results follow below in the following order:
1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale & Proposed Changes
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RESULTS:
To make formatting simpler, and also to reduce the overall length of
this post, the results for Proposals A-E, G-I, K, M & N are given
first, followed by those for Proposals F, J, L and O, with invalid
votes listed at the end.
Changes to the UK USENET COMMITTEE Guidelines Final Vote Ack
Proposal N : Co-opting of Committee Members -------------\
Proposal M : Committee members should be |
identified within postings ------------\|
Proposal K : Control should not be a ||
voting member(s) of the Committee -----------\||
Proposal I : Control ----------\|||
Proposal H : Posting of Committee Elections CFV ---------\||||
Proposal G : Starting Time of Committee --------\|||||
Proposal E : Make document gender-free -------\||||||
Proposal D : Nomination of News Administrators ------\|||||||
Proposal C : SHALL, SHOULD and MAY -----\||||||||
Proposal B : UKVoting appoints a |||||||||
votetaker for the elections ----\|||||||||
Proposal A : Control posts the Call for ||||||||||
Nominations on behalf of UKVoting ---\||||||||||
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aakash.popaccount.omc (Aakash Mehendale) YYYAAAAAYYY
af.contract.oc.ku (Alan Fleming) YYYYYNYYYNY
aidan.celestis.freeserve.oc.ku (Aidan Folkes) YYYYYYYYYYN
alan.whirlnet.oc.ku (Alan Ford) YYYYAYYNNNN
alaric.alaric.rgo.ku (Iain Bowen) YYYYYYYYYNN
alex-news.oenone.demon.oc.ku (Alex D. Baxter) YYYYYYNYNNY
alex.dawson.uea.ac.uk (Alex Dawson) YYYYYYYYYYY
andrew.erlenstar.demon.oc.ku (Andrew Gierth) YYYNYYYYNNY
andyrobts.zetnet.oc.ku (Andy Roberts) AAAAYAAAYYA
arwel.cartref.demon.oc.ku (Arwel Parry) YYYYYYYYNNN
barryd.bann.oc.ku (Barry Dorrans) YYAAANYYYYN
bedfordtlfan.yahoo.omc (Denis F) YYYYYYYYYNY
bellaire.tk.omc (James Bellaire) YYYYNYYNNYN
bhk.dsl.oc.ku (Brian (Hamilton Kelly)) AAYYNYYYNAY
black-dog.geocities.omc (Geoff (Blade Runner)) YNYYYAYYYAY
brett.dimetrodon.demon.oc.ku (Brett Paul Dunbar) YYYYYYYYNAY
brian.white.pobox.omc (Brian) YYYAYYYYNYY
brigfamily.softhome.etn (David Briggs) YYYYYYYYYYY
chasm.ccl4.rgo (jAmES Royal-Lawson) YYYYYNYYYYY
chl.clw.cs.man.ca.ku (Charles Lindsey) YYYYYNYNNNA
chris.dickson.demon.oc.ku (Chris M. Dickson) YYYAYYYYYYY
chris.keris.etn (Chris Croughton) YYYYYYYYYNY
chris.mnemosyne.demon.oc.ku (Christopher Dearlove) NYYYANYYYAA
christopher.uffa.oc.ku (Christopher Watkins) AAAAAYYANNA
craighardie.algatis.omc (Craig Hardie) AYAYYYYAYYN
d.hillam.btinternet.omc (Dave Hillam) YYYYYYYYNNY
damerell.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (David Damerell) YYYYYNYYNNN
darren.meldrum.oc.ku (Darren Meldrum) YYYYYYYYYAY
dave.sparks.sisyphus.demon.oc.ku (Dave Sparks) AYYYNNYYYYN
dave.lowjobs.oc.ku (Dave Mason) AAAAYYYAYYN
david.mayall.ukonline.oc.ku (Dave Mayall) YYYYAYYYYNY
denis.pickaxe.demon.oc.ku (Denis McMahon) YYYYYYYYYNY
dmahon.amigo.oc.ku (David Mahon) YYYYNYYYYYY
eaking.ulape.demon.oc.ku (Edward King) AYYYANYYYNY
edward.ebernard.greatxscape.etn (Eddie Bernard) NYYYYYYANYA
fredb.frolix8.demon.oc.ku (Fred Barber) AYYYANYYNNY
huge.huge.rgo.ku (Huge) YYYYNAYYYYY
ian.tanagra.demon.oc.ku (Ian Chard) YYYYYYYYNYY
ijackson.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (Ian Jackson) NNNNYAYNNAA
j.f.wheeler.rl.ac.uk (Jonathan Wheeler) YYYYYYYYNYY
j.goldberg.cranfield.ca.ku (Jeffrey Goldberg) AYYYYAYANAY
j.w.harley.warwick.ca.ku (Jon Harley) NYYNYNYYYNY
james.acornusers.rgo (James Sears) YNYNYAYNNYN
james.obeah.demon.oc.ku (James Coupe) NNYNYYAYYNY
james.sfgiants22.freeserve.oc.ku (James Farrar) YYYYNYYYANY
jezza.hotwells.freeserve.oc.ku (Jezza) YYYYYYYYYYY
jml4.cus.cam.ca.ku (John Line) YYYYYYYYNNY
jon.thomson2273.freeserve.oc.ku (Jon Thomson) YNYYNYYNYYY
jrk.sys.uea.ca.ku (Richard Kennaway) YYYYYNYYNYY
kake.ox.omcpsoc.etn (Kate L Pugh) YYYYYAYAAAY
m.wallis.leeds.ca.ku (Mike Wallis) YYYAYYYYYYY
mark.ellmar.demon.oc.ku (Mark Eller) YYYYYYYYNNN
mark.good-stuff.oc.ku (Mark Goodge) YYYYYYYYNNY
matt.guysfield.demon.oc.ku (Matt Johnson) YYYAAYYYAYY
matthew.calmeilles.demon.oc.ku (Matthew Malthouse) YYYYYYYYYYY
mike.tauzero.oc.ku (Mike Fleming) YYYYYYYYAYY
mike.tw2.omc (Mike Henry) YYYYYYYYNNY
mike.urgle.omc (Mike Bristow) AYYAYAYYNNA
mike_humphrey.bigfoot.omc (Mike Humphrey) YYYYYAYYYNN
misccom.vote.ch.chch.demon.oc.ku (Charles Bryant) NNNYNNYNNNN
molly.orbs.demon.oc.ku (Molly Mockford) YYYYYYYYAYY
mrt102.york.ca.ku (Mark Tyndall) YYYYNYYYAYY
ncf.borve.demon.oc.ku (Neil Fernandez) YAAAYNYAAYN
nick.nregan.oc.ku (Nick Regan) YYYYNYYYNAY
nl.corwyn.demon.oc.ku (Lesley Simpson) YYYYYYYYYYN
noos.hankel.freedombird.etn (Charles F Hankel) YYYANYYYYYY
owenrees.waitrose.omc (Owen Rees) NNYYYAYNNYY
p.j.leake.durham.ca.ku (Paul Leake) AYYYYAYYYYY
pb10003.cus.cam.ca.ku (Paul Bolchover) AAYYNYYYNNY
peter.wppltd.demon.oc.ku (Peter Parry) YYYYNYYYYYY
peteralf.fabel.kd (Peter Alfredsen) YYYYYYYYNYY
ph.anweald.exnet.oc.ku (Patrick Herring) YYYYYYYYNNY
philip.blencathra.demon.oc.ku (Philip Powell) YYYYYAYYNYY
plissken.etncomuk.oc.ku (Mike Landers) YYYYYAYYNNY
ppp.pirinen.demon.oc.ku (Pekka P. Pirinen) AAAYYAAANNN
renegade.stormshadow.oc.ku (Jack Howard) YYYYYYYYYYY
richard-vote.illuin.demon.oc.ku (Richard Letts) YYYYYYYNNNY
richard.turnpike.omc (Richard Clayton) NNANYNYYNNN
rjk+com2k01.sfere.greenend.rgo.ku (Richard Kettlewell) ANNYYNYYNYN
robbie.ukvote.arrakis.un (robbie) YYYYNYYYANY
ross.crazyscot.omc (Ross Younger) YYYYYYYYAYY
secretary.talyllyn.oc.ku (John S. Robinson) YYYYYYYYNYN
slewin.clara.oc.ku (Steve Lewin) YYYYYNYYNNA
spod.venicones.demon.oc.ku (Stuart O'Donnell) YYYYNAYYYYN
squire.bryhod99.demon.oc.ku (squire) YYYYYNYYNYN
steve.grinning-cat.oc.ku (Stephen Baird) AYYYYAYANAY
swinny.cix.oc.ku (Rob Felton) YYYYAYYYYYY
tez.pierrot.oc.ku (Terrance Richard Boyes) NYYYYNYYYYN
tfl.psp.oc.ku (Thomas Lee) NYNANNYNNNN
tgold.panix.omc (Anthony Gold) NYYNYNYYNNN
tim.snowgoons.fsnet.oc.ku (Tim Walls) ANYYAYYYYNY
tim_jackson.bigfoot.omc (Tim Jackson) YYYYYYYYYYY
tony.cats.tele2.oc.ku (Tony Towers) YYYYAYYNNNY
tony.tagman.demon.oc.ku (Tony) AYAAYAYYAAA
vashti+cfv.dream.rgo.ku (Rachael Munns) YYYYYYYYNNN
vote-com2k01.jhc.rgo.ku (Jim Hill) YYYYYYYYNNY
vote-uk.kholdan.snafu.ed (Tobias Erle) YYYYYYYYNAA
votes.alexh.clara.oc.ku (Alex Holden) YYYYYYYYYYY
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Proposal F : Official name for the UK Usenet Committee
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
1 2 3 ROD SQ
Option 1 [n/a] [ 23] [ 42] [ 56] [ 35]
Option 2 [ 65] [n/a] [ 70] [ 74] [ 48]
Option 3 [ 38] [ 17] [n/a] [ 55] [ 33]
ROD [ 32] [ 18] [ 30] [n/a] [ 12]
Status Quo [ 59] [ 47] [ 60] [ 79] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 23 votes preferred
option one (UK HIERARCHY USENET COMMITTEE) to option two (UK.* USENET
COMMITTEE) while 32 votes preferred reopening the discussion to option
one (UK HIERARCHY USENET COMMITTEE).
PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE
Status Quo -------\
Re-Open Discussion ------\|
Option 3 -----\||
Option 2 ----\|||
Option 1 ---\||||
Voter Name ||||| Preference
Aakash Mehendale 21AA3 2 > 1 > SQ > 3 = ROD
Alan Fleming 34512 ROD > SQ > 1 > 2 > 3
Aidan Folkes 21354 2 > 1 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Alan Ford 42531 SQ > 2 > ROD > 3 > 1
Iain Bowen 51432 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 > 1
Alex Dawson 12345 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Alex D. Baxter 41352 2 > SQ > 3 > 1 > ROD
Andrew Gierth 21543 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD > 3
Andy Roberts 12345 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Arwel Parry 21354 2 > 1 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Barry Dorrans 413A2 2 > SQ > 3 > 1 > ROD
Denis F 23451 SQ > 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD
James Bellaire 42351 SQ > 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD
Brian (Hamilton Kelly) 45132 3 > SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Geoff (Blade Runner) A1AAA 2 > 1 = 3 = ROD = SQ
Brett Paul Dunbar 21543 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD > 3
Brian 23351 SQ > 1 > 2 = 3 > ROD
David Briggs 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
jAmES Royal-Lawson 43521 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1 > 3
Charles Lindsey 32351 SQ > 2 > 1 = 3 > ROD
Chris M. Dickson 32145 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Chris Croughton 21453 2 > 1 > SQ > 3 > ROD
Christopher Dearlove 32451 SQ > 2 > 1 > 3 > ROD
Christopher Watkins AAAA1 SQ > 1 = 2 = 3 = ROD
Craig Hardie 23154 3 > 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Dave Hillam 43521 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1 > 3
David Damerell 51243 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD > 1
Darren Meldrum A1243 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD > 1
Dave Sparks A31A2 3 > SQ > 2 > 1 = ROD
Dave Mason 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Dave Mayall 51342 2 > SQ > 3 > ROD > 1
Denis McMahon 12354 1 > 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD
David Mahon 53421 SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 1
Edward King AAAA1 SQ > 1 = 2 = 3 = ROD
Eddie Bernard 52551 SQ > 2 > 1 = 3 = ROD
Fred Barber A23A1 SQ > 2 > 3 > 1 = ROD
Huge 123AA 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD = SQ
Ian Chard 23451 SQ > 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD
Ian Jackson 54321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 2 > 1
Jonathan Wheeler 23331 SQ > 1 > 2 = 3 = ROD
Jeffrey Goldberg 21AA3 2 > 1 > SQ > 3 = ROD
Jon Harley A2341 SQ > 2 > 3 > ROD > 1
James Sears 51342 2 > SQ > 3 > ROD > 1
James Coupe 41235 2 > 3 > ROD > 1 > SQ
James Farrar 32144 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD = SQ
Jezza 21345 2 > 1 > 3 > ROD > SQ
John Line 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Jon Thomson 53421 SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 1
Richard Kennaway 12AAA 1 > 2 > 3 = ROD = SQ
Kate Pugh AAAAA 1 = 2 = 3 = ROD = SQ
Mike Wallis 52143 3 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 1
Mark Eller AAA21 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3
Mark Goodge 31452 2 > SQ > 1 > 3 > ROD
Matt Johnson 25431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 3 > 2
Matthew Malthouse 13A42 1 > SQ > 2 > ROD > 3
Mike Fleming 23541 SQ > 1 > 2 > ROD > 3
Mike Henry 52431 SQ > 2 > ROD > 3 > 1
Mike Bristow 32451 SQ > 2 > 1 > 3 > ROD
Mike Humphrey 53421 SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 1
Charles Bryant 34521 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2 > 3
Molly Mockford 51532 2 > SQ > ROD > 1 = 3
Mark Tyndall 31254 2 > 3 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Neil Fernandez A1A23 2 > ROD > SQ > 1 = 3
Nick Regan 53421 SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 1
Lesley Simpson 21354 2 > 1 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Charles F Hankel AA12A 3 > ROD > 1 = 2 = SQ
Owen Rees 51234 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ > 1
Paul Leake 23451 SQ > 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD
Paul Bolchover 21354 2 > 1 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Peter Parry 23451 SQ > 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD
Peter Alfredsen 32541 SQ > 2 > 1 > ROD > 3
Patrick Herring 32145 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Philip Powell 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Mike Landers 32451 SQ > 2 > 1 > 3 > ROD
Pekka P. Pirinen 12AAA 1 > 2 > 3 = ROD = SQ
Jack Howard 32541 SQ > 2 > 1 > ROD > 3
Richard Clayton 53421 SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 1
Richard Letts AAAA1 SQ > 1 = 2 = 3 = ROD
Richard Kettlewell 53421 SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 1
robbie 111A1 1 = 2 = 3 = SQ > ROD
Ross Younger 21435 2 > 1 > ROD > 3 > SQ
John S. Robinson 34521 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2 > 3
Steve Lewin 12543 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3
Stuart O'Donnell 23451 SQ > 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD
squire 52551 SQ > 2 > 1 = 3 = ROD
Stephen Baird 22221 SQ > 1 = 2 = 3 = ROD
Rob Felton A1A32 2 > SQ > ROD > 1 = 3
Terrance Richard Boyes A1243 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD > 1
Thomas Lee AAA21 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3
Anthony Gold 33321 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3
Tim Walls 42351 SQ > 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD
Tim Jackson 31254 2 > 3 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Tony Towers 32341 SQ > 2 > 1 = 3 > ROD
Tony 21233 2 > 1 = 3 > ROD = SQ
Rachael Munns 32145 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Jim Hill 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Alex Holden 14352 1 > SQ > 3 > 2 > ROD
Tobias Erle 21354 2 > 1 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Notes: A = Option not ranked, AAAAA = Abstain
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Proposal J : Term of Open and News members
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
1 2 ROD SQ
Option 1 [n/a] [ 77] [ 69] [ 51]
Option 2 [ 18] [n/a] [ 34] [ 24]
ROD [ 27] [ 55] [n/a] [ 15]
Status Quo [ 45] [ 73] [ 80] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 77 votes preferred
option one (2 years) to option two (1 year) while 27 votes preferred
reopening the discussion to option one (2 years).
PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE
Status Quo ------\
Re-Open Discussion -----\|
Option 2 : Reduce to 1 year ----\||
Option 1 : Reduce to 2 years ---\|||
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Voter Name |||| Preference
Aakash Mehendale 2A31 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Alan Fleming 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Aidan Folkes 1342 1 > SQ > 2 > ROD
Alan Ford 3A21 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Iain Bowen 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Alex Dawson 2134 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Alex D. Baxter 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Andrew Gierth 1231 1 = SQ > 2 > ROD
Andy Roberts 3124 2 > ROD > 1 > SQ
Arwel Parry 2341 SQ > 1 > 2 > ROD
Barry Dorrans 21AA 2 > 1 > ROD = SQ
Denis F 1423 1 > ROD > SQ > 2
James Bellaire 2341 SQ > 1 > 2 > ROD
Brian (Hamilton Kelly) 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Geoff (Blade Runner) 1AAA 1 > 2 = ROD = SQ
Brett Paul Dunbar 2341 SQ > 1 > 2 > ROD
Brian 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
David Briggs 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
jAmES Royal-Lawson 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Charles Lindsey 2341 SQ > 1 > 2 > ROD
Chris M. Dickson 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Chris Croughton 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Christopher Dearlove 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Christopher Watkins 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Craig Hardie 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Dave Hillam 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
David Damerell 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Darren Meldrum 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Dave Sparks 21AA 2 > 1 > ROD = SQ
Dave Mason 2134 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Dave Mayall 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Denis McMahon 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
David Mahon 2134 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Edward King 2AA1 SQ > 1 > 2 = ROD
Eddie Bernard 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Fred Barber 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Huge 23A1 SQ > 1 > 2 > ROD
Ian Chard 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Ian Jackson 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Jonathan Wheeler 1332 1 > SQ > 2 = ROD
Jeffrey Goldberg 2AA1 SQ > 1 > 2 = ROD
Jon Harley AA21 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
James Sears 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
James Coupe 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
James Farrar 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Jezza 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
John Line 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Jon Thomson 1423 1 > ROD > SQ > 2
Richard Kennaway AA21 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Kate Pugh 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Mike Wallis 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Mark Eller 213A 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Mark Goodge 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Matt Johnson 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Matthew Malthouse 1A32 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Mike Fleming 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Mike Henry 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Mike Bristow 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Mike Humphrey 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Charles Bryant 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Molly Mockford 1442 1 > SQ > 2 = ROD
Mark Tyndall 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Neil Fernandez 2134 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Nick Regan 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Lesley Simpson 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Charles F Hankel A12A 2 > ROD > 1 = SQ
Owen Rees 2331 SQ > 1 > 2 = ROD
Paul Leake 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Paul Bolchover 1342 1 > SQ > 2 > ROD
Peter Parry 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Peter Alfredsen 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Patrick Herring 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Philip Powell 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Mike Landers 3A21 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Pekka P. Pirinen 1423 1 > ROD > SQ > 2
Jack Howard 1413 1 = ROD > SQ > 2
Richard Clayton 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Richard Letts AAA1 SQ > 1 = 2 = ROD
Richard Kettlewell 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
robbie 1442 1 > SQ > 2 = ROD
Ross Younger 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
John S. Robinson 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Steve Lewin 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Stuart O'Donnell 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
squire 1442 1 > SQ > 2 = ROD
Stephen Baird 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Rob Felton 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Terrance Richard Boyes 3A21 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Thomas Lee 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Anthony Gold 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Tim Walls 1342 1 > SQ > 2 > ROD
Tim Jackson 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Tony Towers 2341 SQ > 1 > 2 > ROD
Tony 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Rachael Munns 3A21 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Jim Hill 3421 SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Alex Holden 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Tobias Erle 4123 2 > ROD > SQ > 1
Notes: A = Option not ranked, AAAA = Abstain
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Proposal L : Limit the number of candidates someone may nominate
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
1 2 3 ROD SQ
Option 1 [n/a] [ 22] [ 29] [ 49] [ 48]
Option 2 [ 64] [n/a] [ 38] [ 59] [ 59]
Option 3 [ 65] [ 56] [n/a] [ 69] [ 67]
ROD [ 40] [ 33] [ 24] [n/a] [ 36]
Status Quo [ 43] [ 32] [ 24] [ 53] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 22 votes preferred
option one (1 candidate) to option two (2 candidates) while 40 votes
preferred reopening the discussion to option one (1 candidate).
OPPOSITE COMPARISONS GRID
1 2 3 ROD SQ
Option 1 [n/a] [-42] [-36] [ 9] [ 5]
Option 2 [ 42] [n/a] [-18] [ 26] [ 27]
Option 3 [ 36] [ 18] [n/a] [ 45] [ 43]
ROD [ -9] [-26] [-45] [n/a] [-17]
Status Quo [ -5] [-27] [-43] [ 17] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's column to the
option appropriate to the number's row. For instance, 5 more people
preferred Option 1 to Status Quo than preferred Status Quo to Option 1.
As shown by all the numbers in its row in the lower grid being positive,
Option 3 (as many candidates as there are places) was preferred to all
other options and hence wins the ballot.
PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE
Status Quo -------\
Re-Open Discussion ------\|
Option 3 -----\||
Option 2 ----\|||
Option 1 ---\||||
|||||
Voter Name ||||| Preference
Aakash Mehendale AA132 3 > SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Alan Fleming 12354 1 > 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Aidan Folkes 54321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 2 > 1
Alan Ford 54231 SQ > 3 > ROD > 2 > 1
Iain Bowen 44123 3 > ROD > SQ > 1 = 2
Alex Dawson 31245 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Alex D. Baxter 12354 1 > 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Andrew Gierth 54132 3 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Andy Roberts 43125 3 > ROD > 2 > 1 > SQ
Arwel Parry 12354 1 > 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Barry Dorrans 1AAAA 1 > 2 = 3 = ROD = SQ
Denis F 12435 1 > 2 > ROD > 3 > SQ
James Bellaire 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Brian (Hamilton Kelly) 51342 2 > SQ > 3 > ROD > 1
Geoff (Blade Runner) A1AAA 2 > 1 = 3 = ROD = SQ
Brett Paul Dunbar 53124 3 > ROD > 2 > SQ > 1
Brian 12345 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ
David Briggs 12354 1 > 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD
jAmES Royal-Lawson 54231 SQ > 3 > ROD > 2 > 1
Charles Lindsey 23154 3 > 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Chris M. Dickson 12345 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Chris Croughton 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Christopher Dearlove 42153 3 > 2 > SQ > 1 > ROD
Christopher Watkins 54231 SQ > 3 > ROD > 2 > 1
Craig Hardie 12345 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Dave Hillam 42135 3 > 2 > ROD > 1 > SQ
David Damerell 54321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 2 > 1
Darren Meldrum 12345 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Dave Sparks A21A3 3 > 2 > SQ > 1 = ROD
Dave Mason 21435 2 > 1 > ROD > 3 > SQ
Dave Mayall 54231 SQ > 3 > ROD > 2 > 1
Denis McMahon 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
David Mahon 54231 SQ > 3 > ROD > 2 > 1
Edward King A1AAA 2 > 1 = 3 = ROD = SQ
Eddie Bernard 31245 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Fred Barber 54132 3 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Huge 1AAAA 1 > 2 = 3 = ROD = SQ
Ian Chard 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Ian Jackson 54321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 2 > 1
Jonathan Wheeler 31233 2 > 3 > 1 = ROD = SQ
Jeffrey Goldberg A12A3 2 > 3 > SQ > 1 = ROD
Jon Harley A1A23 2 > ROD > SQ > 1 = 3
James Sears 13254 1 > 3 > 2 > SQ > ROD
James Coupe 54231 SQ > 3 > ROD > 2 > 1
James Farrar 32145 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Jezza 21534 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ > 3
John Line 42135 3 > 2 > ROD > 1 > SQ
Jon Thomson 43251 SQ > 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD
Richard Kennaway AA321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 1 = 2
Kate Pugh 54132 3 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Mike Wallis 21354 2 > 1 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Mark Eller 12A3A 1 > 2 > ROD > 3 = SQ
Mark Goodge 43152 3 > SQ > 2 > 1 > ROD
Matt Johnson 51234 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ > 1
Matthew Malthouse AA132 3 > SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Mike Fleming 51324 2 > ROD > 3 > SQ > 1
Mike Henry 13425 1 > ROD > 2 > 3 > SQ
Mike Bristow 21354 2 > 1 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Mike Humphrey 31245 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Charles Bryant 54321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 2 > 1
Molly Mockford 55125 3 > ROD > 1 = 2 = SQ
Mark Tyndall 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Neil Fernandez 32145 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Nick Regan 21435 2 > 1 > ROD > 3 > SQ
Lesley Simpson 55132 3 > SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Charles F Hankel AA1AA 3 > 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
Owen Rees 42135 3 > 2 > ROD > 1 > SQ
Paul Leake 45132 3 > SQ > ROD > 1 > 2
Paul Bolchover 43152 3 > SQ > 2 > 1 > ROD
Peter Parry 21354 2 > 1 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Peter Alfredsen 12435 1 > 2 > ROD > 3 > SQ
Patrick Herring 54321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 2 > 1
Philip Powell 54123 3 > ROD > SQ > 2 > 1
Mike Landers 12354 1 > 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Pekka P. Pirinen 54123 3 > ROD > SQ > 2 > 1
Jack Howard 51432 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 > 1
Richard Clayton 43125 3 > ROD > 2 > 1 > SQ
Richard Letts AA1AA 3 > 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
Richard Kettlewell 54321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 2 > 1
robbie 13254 1 > 3 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Ross Younger 21435 2 > 1 > ROD > 3 > SQ
John S. Robinson 41253 2 > 3 > SQ > 1 > ROD
Steve Lewin AA1A2 3 > SQ > 1 = 2 = ROD
Stuart O'Donnell 43251 SQ > 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD
squire 21AAA 2 > 1 > 3 = ROD = SQ
Stephen Baird 32145 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Rob Felton AA1AA 3 > 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
Terrance Richard Boyes 1243A 1 > 2 > ROD > 3 > SQ
Thomas Lee 54321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 2 > 1
Anthony Gold AAA21 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3
Tim Walls 21345 2 > 1 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Tim Jackson 32154 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Tony Towers 43251 SQ > 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD
Tony 13323 1 > ROD > 2 = 3 = SQ
Rachael Munns AA321 SQ > ROD > 3 > 1 = 2
Jim Hill 43125 3 > ROD > 2 > 1 > SQ
Alex Holden 12354 1 > 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Tobias Erle 51423 2 > ROD > SQ > 3 > 1
Notes: A = Option not ranked, AAAAA = Abstain
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Proposal O : Co-opting of Committee Members
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
1 2 ROD SQ
Option 1 [n/a] [ 47] [ 60] [ 53]
Option 2 [ 38] [n/a] [ 60] [ 59]
ROD [ 31] [ 29] [n/a] [ 34]
Status Quo [ 35] [ 29] [ 51] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 47 votes preferred
option one (Newsadmin and Open Class) to option two (Newsadmin Class
only) while 31 votes preferred reopening the discussion to option one
(Newsadmin and Open Class).
OPPOSITE COMPARISONS GRID
1 2 ROD SQ
Option 1 [n/a] [ 9] [ 29] [ 18]
Option 2 [ -9] [n/a] [ 31] [ 30]
ROD [-29] [-31] [n/a] [-17]
Status Quo [-18] [-30] [ 17] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's column to the
option appropriate to the number's row. For instance, 18 more people
preferred Option 1 to Status Quo than preferred Status Quo to Option 1.
As shown by all the numbers in its row in the lower grid being positive,
Option 1 (Newsadmin and Open Class) was preferred to all
other options and hence wins the ballot.
PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE
Status Quo ------\
Re-Open Discussion -----\|
Option 2 ----\||
Option 1 ---\|||
||||
Voter Name |||| Preference
Aakash Mehendale 1AAA 1 > 2 = ROD = SQ
Alan Fleming 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Aidan Folkes 4321 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Alan Ford AA21 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Iain Bowen 4132 2 > SQ > ROD > 1
Alex Dawson 3124 2 > ROD > 1 > SQ
Alex D. Baxter 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Andrew Gierth 3123 2 > ROD > 1 = SQ
Andy Roberts AAAA 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
Arwel Parry AA21 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Barry Dorrans A21A ROD > 2 > 1 = SQ
Denis F 1324 1 > ROD > 2 > SQ
James Bellaire 3241 SQ > 2 > 1 > ROD
Brian (Hamilton Kelly) 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Geoff (Blade Runner) 1AAA 1 > 2 = ROD = SQ
Brett Paul Dunbar 2134 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Brian 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
David Briggs 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
jAmES Royal-Lawson 3142 2 > SQ > 1 > ROD
Charles Lindsey 1231 1 = SQ > 2 > ROD
Chris M. Dickson 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Chris Croughton 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Christopher Dearlove 3142 2 > SQ > 1 > ROD
Christopher Watkins AAAA 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
Craig Hardie AA21 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Dave Hillam 3123 2 > ROD > 1 = SQ
David Damerell 3214 ROD > 2 > 1 > SQ
Darren Meldrum 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Dave Sparks A1A2 2 > SQ > 1 = ROD
Dave Mason 4321 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Dave Mayall 1432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Denis McMahon 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
David Mahon 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Edward King 12AA 1 > 2 > ROD = SQ
Eddie Bernard 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Fred Barber 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Huge 12AA 1 > 2 > ROD = SQ
Ian Chard 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Ian Jackson 4321 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Jonathan Wheeler 1233 1 > 2 > ROD = SQ
Jeffrey Goldberg 21AA 2 > 1 > ROD = SQ
Jon Harley 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
James Sears 4123 2 > ROD > SQ > 1
James Coupe 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
James Farrar 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Jezza 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
John Line 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Jon Thomson 3241 SQ > 2 > 1 > ROD
Richard Kennaway AAA1 SQ > 1 = 2 = ROD
Kate Pugh 4132 2 > SQ > ROD > 1
Mike Wallis 3142 2 > SQ > 1 > ROD
Mark Eller AA21 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Mark Goodge 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Matt Johnson 3124 2 > ROD > 1 > SQ
Matthew Malthouse 1A32 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Mike Fleming 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Mike Henry 4132 2 > SQ > ROD > 1
Mike Bristow AAAA 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
Mike Humphrey 4321 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Charles Bryant 4321 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Molly Mockford 2144 2 > 1 > ROD = SQ
Mark Tyndall 1342 1 > SQ > 2 > ROD
Neil Fernandez AA1A ROD > 1 = 2 = SQ
Nick Regan 4123 2 > ROD > SQ > 1
Lesley Simpson 4421 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Charles F Hankel 1A2A 1 > ROD > 2 = SQ
Owen Rees 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Paul Leake 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Paul Bolchover 2341 SQ > 1 > 2 > ROD
Peter Parry 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Peter Alfredsen 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Patrick Herring 4123 2 > ROD > SQ > 1
Philip Powell 1423 1 > ROD > SQ > 2
Mike Landers 1324 1 > ROD > 2 > SQ
Pekka P. Pirinen 2134 2 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Jack Howard 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Richard Clayton 4321 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Richard Letts 1AAA 1 > 2 = ROD = SQ
Richard Kettlewell 4321 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
robbie 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Ross Younger 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
John S. Robinson 4321 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Steve Lewin AAAA 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
Stuart O'Donnell 4312 ROD > SQ > 2 > 1
squire 4123 2 > ROD > SQ > 1
Stephen Baird 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Rob Felton 123A 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Terrance Richard Boyes A123 2 > ROD > SQ > 1
Thomas Lee 4321 SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Anthony Gold 3321 SQ > ROD > 1 = 2
Tim Walls 2431 SQ > 1 > ROD > 2
Tim Jackson 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Tony Towers 1243 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Tony 1111 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
Rachael Munns 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Jim Hill 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Alex Holden 2143 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD
Tobias Erle 1234 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Notes: A = Option not ranked, AAAA = Abstain
INVALID VOTES = 2 votes
keith.quetz.demon.oc.ku (Keith Brazington)
! Vote sent after close of voting
amn.ubik.demon.oc.ku (Anthony Naggs)
! Vote sent after close of voting
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Votetakers Comments:
This was, without doubt, the single most complicated CFV in the history
of the uk.* hierarchy, but many thanks to all of the voters for just
returning the ballot paper and not the entire CFV, and also for simply
sending it as plain text without an HTML duplicate.
Some "interesting" interpretations of how to vote in a Condorcet
counted proposal made counting those parts of the ballot slightly
more difficult than normal.
There were a few problems with people forgetting their name and e-mail
address, but these were rectified. I also managed to configure my mail
server to forward votes to UseVote without running them through the
pre-processing script first, but this was easily fixed, and all those
affected during this (temporary) misconfiguration had their votes
re-acknowledged.
Many thanks to Richard for volunteering to act as secondary votetaker
on this complicated CFV. Not the easiest one to start off with, but
he's done a good job, and spotted a couple of votes that I'd missed
as a result of the misconfiguration.
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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in
the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
<ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.
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RATIONALE:
The following proposals seek to fulfill a number of aims:
1) Clear up a number of "grey areas" in the committee election
guidelines in relation to UKVoting, by re-drafting certain areas to make
the text conform with accepted practice in uk.* hierarchy.
2) Bring the document in line with accepted practice and the wording of
the other guideline documents.
3) Make the arrangement of Control more formal.
4) Make the document gender-free.
5) Change name of Committee to reflect changes within usenet hierarchy.
6) Change the starting time of new Committee members to get round
problem of delayed elections.
7) Make various changes to the document to reflect recent discussions
within UNNA & UNNC.
8) Reduce period of term open and news members stand upon the Committee.
9) Set a period of time on which members resigning from the Committee
may not seek re-election.
10) Set a limit of number of terms people may serve upon the Committee.
11) Allow people to be co-opted to the Committee until the next Annual
Election.
It must be stated that I support some issues within this RFD but do not
support others, but several RFDs have been sent to Control which I have
attempted to cover, and also covered ideas which have been discussed
within UNNC and UNNA.
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SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION:
This RFD has been running for a very long time, and has gone through
some
major changes - with certain proposals being dropped to simply the
voting.
The proposals within this RFD are the combination of about 4-5 proposed
RFDs and therefore satisfy all parties.
In the end the there are people in favour of some of these proposals and
others completely against them, but with the RFD covering such a major
range of issues no person supports every proposal - including myself.
And therefore the only way to conclude this matter is with a vote - and
can I please request people to consider each proposal on its merits
individually.
AND WHATEVER YOU DO - DO NOT VOTE AGAINST THE RFD DUE TO TIME LAPSE FROM
START TO FINISH - THE CFV WAS DELAYED DUE TO A REQUEST FROM THE
COMMITTEE,
AND THE UNEXPECTED LENGTH OF TIME TAKEN TO CONCLUDE THE COMMITTEE
ELECTIONS.
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PROPOSALS:
Proposal A
Rationale:
Control posts the Call of Nominations on behalf of UKVoting.
Elections section Point 1:
REPLACE
Each year during September, Control shall post to uk.net.news.announce a
call for nominations for the News Administrators and Open classes of
members.
WITH
Each year during September, Control shall post (on behalf of UKVoting)
to uk.net.news.announce a call for nominations for the News
Administrators and Open classes of members.
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Proposal B
Rationale:
UKVoting selects a primary & secondary votetaker if a vote is required
for the elections.
Elections section Point 2:
REPLACE
If the number of persons nominated in any class exceeds the number of
vacancies, an independent vote taker from ukvoting@usenet.org.uk will be
appointed by the Committee, and he shall be responsible for conducting a
vote....
WITH
If the number of person nominated in any class exceeds the number of
vacancies, an independent votetaker(s) shall be appointed by UKVoting,
and they shall be responsible for conducting a vote....
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Proposal C: SHALL, SHOULD and MAY
Rationale:
This proposal is purely cosmetic, and brings the voting document into
line with a similar change made to the Guidelines in April 1997. It does
not actually change the meaning of anything.
Proposal:
The following text is to be placed at the start of the UK Usenet
Committee document.
[Two occurrences of the word "must" in the Election Procedure are
unaffected (but see next proposal).]
"The following words where used in this document have the precise
meanings shown here:
SHALL - any CFV which fails to follow this guideline will be invalid
SHOULD - in all but exceptional or unusual cases a CFV ought to follow
this guideline
MAY - whilst this guideline is acceptable practice, it remains
optional"
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Proposal D: Nomination of News Administrators
Rationale:
Currently, a News Administrator needs to be nominated by other news
administrators. This has lead to difficulties in the past with getting
the required number of nominators. I propose to require just one of the
four to be a newsadmin. Observe also the removal of two occurrences of
"must", to avoid all possible confusion with "shall".
Proposal:
Elections Section Point 1
REPLACE
Candidates for the News Administrators class must be nominated by other
members of that class.
BY
Candidates for the News Administrators class require at least one of
their nominations to be from another member of that class.
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Proposal E: Make document gender-free.
Rationale:
Remove references to "he".
Proposal:
Elections Section Point 5
REPLACE
...but only the individual voter will be able to recognise and confirm
his own vote.
BY
...but only individual voters will be able to recognise and confirm
their own votes.
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Proposal F: UK Usenet Committee
Rationale:
With the recent creation of the scot and wales hierarchy committees, it
would be sensible to change the name of the UK Usenet Committee.
Proposal:
REPLACE
Replace all references to "UK USENET COMMITTEE"
WITH
OPTION 1
With references to "UK HIERARCHY USENET COMMITTEE"
OPTION 2
With references to "UK.* USENET COMMITTEE"
OPTION 3
With references to "UK.* COMMITTEE"
OPTION 4
Re-open the discussion.
OPTION 5 (Status Quo)
With references to "UK USENET COMMITTEE"
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Proposal G: Starting Time of Committee
Rationale:
The last 2 elections have been delayed due to various reasons, and so
the committee members do not serve a complete 36 months.
Proposal:
Elections Section Point 2
ADD
The elected committee members should take their places on the Committee
from the date of the Results being published as Committee-Elect members.
>From the 1st January in the year following the election the retiring
members of the Committee should relinquish their positions and the
Committee-Elect members should become full Committee members.
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Proposal H: Posting of Committee Elections CFV
Rationale:
Change the place where the CFV should be posted for the elections to
represent current practise.
Proposal:
Elections Section Point 2
REPLACE
Voting shall take place during October. The CFV shall be posted on
uk.net.news.announce and to the uk-netnews-managers mailing list.
BY
Voting shall take place during October. The CFV shall be posted to
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.management, uk.net.news.config, and to
the uk-netnews-managers mailing list.
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Proposal I: Control
Rationale:
A moment there is an informal relationship that Charles Lindsey will
step in for Richard Letts, but this arrangement breaks down occasionally
- - and causes the delay in posting of RFDs, CFVs and announcements into
uk.net.news.announce.
Therefore this informal relationship needs to be made into a more
permanent arrangement or another person may have to be asked to step in
to help the smooth running of the uk.* hierarchy
REPLACE
Control
The person appointed as Control will be answerable to the Committee. He
will moderate the group uk.net.news.announce and, acting under the name
control@usenet.org.uk, shall be the sole person entitled to issue valid
'newgroup', 'rmgroup' and 'checkgroups' control messages for the uk.*
hierarchy. He will perform all other duties set out in the companion
document GUIDELINES FOR GROUP CREATION WITHIN THE UK HIERARCHY.
He will be ex officio a member of the Committee, but will not have
voting rights unless he also happens to be an elected or permanent
member.
WITH
Control
1) This position will be filled by two people to act as Control & Deputy
Control, with the Deputy filling in for Control when he/she is unable to
perform the role.
2) They will moderate the group uk.net.news.announce.
3) Acting under the name control@usenet.org.uk, they will be the only
people entitled to issue valid 'newgroup', 'rmgroup' and 'checkgroups'
control messages for the uk.* hierarchy.
4) They will perform all other duties set out in the companion document
GUIDELINES FOR GROUP CREATION WITHIN THE UK HIERARCHY.
5) They will be ex officio members of the Committee. They will not have
voting rights unless they also happen to be an elected or permanent
members of the Committee.
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Proposal J: Reduce term of Open and News members
Rationale:
The system of electing committee members for three years is far too
inflexible to suit the needs of a rapidly changing community. Whilst
it is appreciated that there should be some continuity of tenure in the
committee, this could more than adequately be served by the permanent
members and the inevitable re-election of many current committee
members.
However more frequent elections would mean that any committee member not
serving the best needs of the community could be replaced in a realistic
timescale.
Proposal:
REPLACE
One third of each elected class of member shall retire each year (if
more than one third have not already served a full 3 years, the choice
shall be made by lot).
WITH
OPTION 1
Every elected Open and News class member of the Committee shall retire,
and may seek immediate re-election, after serving 2 years.
OPTION 2
Every elected Open and News class member of the Committee shall retire,
and may seek immediate re-election, at the time of each annual election.
OPTION 3
Re-open the discussion.
OPTION 4
Stay with the Status Quo.
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Proposal K: Control should not be a voting member(s) of the Committee
Rationale:
Control makes decisions of whether to allow RFDs to be posted or refers
the matter to the Committee. Therefore I think its inappropriate for
Control to be a voting member of the Committee, and therefore voting on
their own decisions.
Proposal:
REPLACE
Control
He will be ex officio a member of the Committee, but will not have
voting rights unless he also happens to be an elected or permanent
member.
BY
Control cannot stand for election to the Committee, and should be an ex
officio member of the Committee.
(Please note that if Proposal H is passed the text of point 5 should be
changed to the above if this proposal is passed).
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Proposal L: Limit the number of candidates someone may nominate
Rationale:
For the 1998 Committee Elections some people nominated about 3 people
which some people felt was not right.
Proposal:
REPLACE
Elections Point 1
Nominations shall remain open for three weeks, and each candidate must
receive 4 nominations.
REPLACE WITH
OPTION 1
Nominations shall remain open for three weeks, and each candidate must
receive 4 nominations (but the people nominating should not have
nominated any other candidate).
OPTION 2
Nominations shall remain open for three weeks, and each candidate must
receive 4 nominations; each nominator may nominate at most two
candidates.
OPTION 3
Nominations shall remain open for three weeks, and each candidate must
receive 4 nominations; each nominator may nominate at most as many
candidates in each class as there are places within that class in the
election.
OPTION 4
Re-open the discussion.
OPTION 5
Stay with the Status Quo and leave text unchanged.
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Proposal M: Committee members should be identified within postings
Rationale:
Members of the Committee should be easily identifiable within their
postings within uk.net.news.config & uk.net.news.management, and also
should state whether they are stating personal or committee viewpoints.
Proposal:
ADD
Committee members should identify within their postings to
uk.net.news.config & uk.net.news.management that they are members of the
Committee, and whether the postings they are making are made of behalf
of the Committee or are just personal opinions.
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Proposals N & O: Committee may co-opt members until next Annual Election
Rationale:
Following recent discussion within UNNA it would be sensible for the
Committee to be given the power to co-opt members until the next annual
election time, especially for the newsadmin class.
Proposal N:
REPLACE
Membership
Casual vacancies shall be filled at the next annual election.
BY
Co-opting Committee Members
The Committee has the authority to co-opt members if a vacancy exists on
the Committee (either through retirement from the Committee, Votes of No
Confidence in the Committee, positions not filled at the annual
election).
The Committee should place an announcement of "Intention to Co-Opt"
within uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config & uk.net.news.management
with a 7 day notice period detailing the person(s) to be co-opted and
the reasons for the co-opting.
The person can be co-opted after the 7 day notice period unless Control
receives 10 valid objections, or any objection which seems to the
Committee to be well founded.
Proposal O (this proposal should only be counted if Proposal N is
passed)
Option 1
Add the following to the wording of Proposal N:
"The committee has the authority to co-opt members for the Open and
Newsadmin classes."
Option 2
Add the following to the wording of Proposal N:
"The committee has the authority to co-opt members for the Newsadmin
class only."
Option 3
Re-open the discussion.
Option 4
Stay with the Status Quo and leave text unchanged.
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