18 Feb 2001: Amend the Guidelines For Group Creation (2nd Fast Track)


From: Alex Holden <a.holden@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:08:34 +0000
Subject: RESULT: Amend the Guidelines For Group Creation (2nd Fast Track) PASSES (30:13)
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.management

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                     RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Amend the Guidelines for Group Creation (2nd Fast Track)

PROPOSAL - Amend the Guidelines for Group Creation PASSES 30:13

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 13th February 2001.

          Proponent: Alan Ford <alan@whirlnet.co.uk>
  Primary Votetaker: Alex Holden <a.holden@ukvoting.org.uk>
Secondary Votetaker: Malcolm Mladenovic <mbm@tinc.org.uk>

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Distribution:

uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.management

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale & Proposed Charter

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RESULTS:

PROPOSAL - Amend the Guidelines for Group Creation

    YES : 30 votes
     NO : 13 votes
ABSTAIN :  1 votes
  Total : 44 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 17 votes. For passage, there must be 12
more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, this proposal PASSES.

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Amend the Guidelines for Group Creation Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes - 30 votes

Alan Fleming     af.etrigan@ogr
Alan Ford        alan.whirlnet@oc@ku
Andrew Marshall  andrew.g8bur@demon@oc@ku
Barry Salter     ukvotes.salterg@demon@oc@ku
Charles Lindsey  chl.clw@cs@man@ca@ku
Chris Bannister  cj.moodog@ogr@ku
Clive Martin     clive.cmartin@demon@oc@ku
Dave Mayall      david@mayall.ukonline@oc@ku
Eddie Bernard    usenet.ebernard@greatxscape@nte
Graham Drabble   graham@drabble.lineone@nte
Iain Bowen       alaric.alaric@ogr@ku
J M Kemp         jas.jmkemp@demon@oc@ku
Jack Howard      jack.stormshadow@oc@ku
James Coupe      jrsc2.srcf@ucam@ogr
James Farrar     ca9126.qmw@ca@ku
Jeff Lewis       jeff.maerdy@ogr
Jezza            jezza.hotwells@freeserve@oc@ku
Jonathan Wheeler j@f@wheeler.rl@ca@ku
Mark Tyndall     mrt102.york@ca@ku
Mike Bristow     mike.urgle@moc
Mike Fleming     mike.tauzero@oc@ku
Paul Hyett       pahyett.cativist@demon@oc@ku
Peter Parry      peter.wpp@ltd@ku
Philip Powell    philip.blencathra@ogr@ku
Roy Stilling     rpjs.kalevala@ogr@ku
Simon Gray       simon.star-one@ogr@ku
Steve Peake      ukvoting.puppet-head@oc@ku
Tim Walls        tim.snowgoons@fsnet@oc@ku
Tom Harris       t@harris.iname@moc
Tony             tony.darkstorm@oc@ku

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Voted No - 13 votes

{R}              {R}.semolina@ogr
Alex D. Baxter   alex-news.oenone@demon@oc@ku
Bruce Mardle     bruce.algol@demon@oc@ku
Dave Sparks      Dave@Sparks.sisyphus@demon@oc@ku
David Mahon      votegc2ft.amigo@oc@ku
Justa Lurker     jlurker.bigfoot@moc
Kevin Andreoli   kevin.andreoli@oc@ku
lachlan          lachlan.excommunicant@oc@ku
Michael Farthing mf.cyclades@demon@oc@ku
Paul Cummins     tramlink.lineone@nte
Pekka P. Pirinen ppp.pirinen@demon@oc@ku
Stuart O'Donnell spod.veniocnes@demon@oc@ku
William Boughton bill.xencat@murble@ogr@ku

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Abstained - 1 vote

Thomas Lee       tfl.psp@oc@ku

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Votetakers' Comments:

Apart from a slight hiccup at the start of the vote where the reply-to
address differed from the originally intended address, there were no
problems. No invalid votes were received.

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control@usenet.org.uk.

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RATIONALE: 

Recently, a proposal failed its fast track due to objections about two
minor problems. The proponent made changes to correct these problems and
then re-submitted a fast-track request. This failed as people did not
like the fact that this procedure was not given in the guidelines. This
RFD seeks to correct that by providing a mechanism by which this can be
done.

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PROPOSAL: 

Amend the first paragraph of section (5) of the Guidelines for Group 
Creation to read the following:

5. If, by the end of the initial discussion period, a consensus has been
   reached and the proposal appears to be straightforward and
   non-controversial, the proponent may, within 40 days of the original
   publication of the most recent RFD, ask control@usenet.org.uk     
   to create the group by the "fast-track" method. If Control (as    
   advised by the Committee) is satisfied of this, he will announce in
   uk.net.news.announce that, in the absence of valid objections, the 
   new group will be created on a date not less than 5 days thereafter. 
   In the event of 4 or more objections, or any objection which seems to
   the Committee to be well founded, the fast-track procedure shall be 
   halted, and the RFD should either proceed to a vote, or have a 
   revised RFD submitted for further discussion. In circumstances where
   the fast-track has failed on only minor problems, the proponent is
   permitted to correct these, and re-submit a fast-track request with 
   the corrections, which shall then be conducted as above.

For comparison, the present text reads:

5. If, by the end of the initial discussion period, a consensus has been
   reached and the proposal appears to be straightforward and
   non-controversial, the proponent may, within 40 days of the original
   publication of the most recent RFD, ask control@usenet.org.uk to 
   create the group by the "fast-track" method. If Control (as advised 
   by the Committee) is satisfied of this, he will announce in 
   uk.net.news.announce that, in the absence of valid objections, the 
   new group will be created on a date not less than 5 days thereafter. 
   In the event of 4 or more objections, or any objection which seems to
   the Committee to be well founded, the fast-track method shall not be 
   used, and the RFD should either proceed to a vote, or have a revised 
   RFD submitted for further discussion.

END PROPOSAL.

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