Path: oaktree.co.uk!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!news.gradwell.net!news.clues.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Alex Holden Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.management Subject: RESULT: Amend the Guidelines For Group Creation (2nd Fast Track) PASSES (30:13) Followup-To: uk.net.news.management Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:08:34 +0000 Sender: Charles Lindsey as Deputy Control Approved: Charles Lindsey as Deputy Control Message-ID: X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 982552366 mail2news:14258 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!serenity.mcc.ac.uk!nessie.mcc.ac.uk!clw.cs.man.ac.uk Lines: 196 Xref: oaktree.co.uk uk.net.news.announce:2121 uk.net.news.config:105010 uk.net.news.management:24317 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: Amend the Guidelines for Group Creation (2nd Fast Track) PROPOSAL - Amend the Guidelines for Group Creation PASSES 30:13 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 13th February 2001. Proponent: Alan Ford Primary Votetaker: Alex Holden Secondary Votetaker: Malcolm Mladenovic - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.management - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Results 2) Particulars of the Vote 3) Votetakers Comments 4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 5) Rationale & Proposed Charter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RESULTS: PROPOSAL - Amend the Guidelines for Group Creation YES : 30 votes NO : 13 votes ABSTAIN : 1 votes Total : 44 votes YES beat NO by a majority of 17 votes. For passage, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, this proposal PASSES. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Amend the Guidelines for Group Creation Final Vote Ack Voted Yes - 30 votes Alan Fleming af.etrigan@ogr Alan Ford alan.whirlnet@oc@ku Andrew Marshall andrew.g8bur@demon@oc@ku Barry Salter ukvotes.salterg@demon@oc@ku Charles Lindsey chl.clw@cs@man@ca@ku Chris Bannister cj.moodog@ogr@ku Clive Martin clive.cmartin@demon@oc@ku Dave Mayall david@mayall.ukonline@oc@ku Eddie Bernard usenet.ebernard@greatxscape@nte Graham Drabble graham@drabble.lineone@nte Iain Bowen alaric.alaric@ogr@ku J M Kemp jas.jmkemp@demon@oc@ku Jack Howard jack.stormshadow@oc@ku James Coupe jrsc2.srcf@ucam@ogr James Farrar ca9126.qmw@ca@ku Jeff Lewis jeff.maerdy@ogr Jezza jezza.hotwells@freeserve@oc@ku Jonathan Wheeler j@f@wheeler.rl@ca@ku Mark Tyndall mrt102.york@ca@ku Mike Bristow mike.urgle@moc Mike Fleming mike.tauzero@oc@ku Paul Hyett pahyett.cativist@demon@oc@ku Peter Parry peter.wpp@ltd@ku Philip Powell philip.blencathra@ogr@ku Roy Stilling rpjs.kalevala@ogr@ku Simon Gray simon.star-one@ogr@ku Steve Peake ukvoting.puppet-head@oc@ku Tim Walls tim.snowgoons@fsnet@oc@ku Tom Harris t@harris.iname@moc Tony tony.darkstorm@oc@ku - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voted No - 13 votes {R} {R}.semolina@ogr Alex D. Baxter alex-news.oenone@demon@oc@ku Bruce Mardle bruce.algol@demon@oc@ku Dave Sparks Dave@Sparks.sisyphus@demon@oc@ku David Mahon votegc2ft.amigo@oc@ku Justa Lurker jlurker.bigfoot@moc Kevin Andreoli kevin.andreoli@oc@ku lachlan lachlan.excommunicant@oc@ku Michael Farthing mf.cyclades@demon@oc@ku Paul Cummins tramlink.lineone@nte Pekka P. Pirinen ppp.pirinen@demon@oc@ku Stuart O'Donnell spod.veniocnes@demon@oc@ku William Boughton bill.xencat@murble@ogr@ku - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Abstained - 1 vote Thomas Lee tfl.psp@oc@ku - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Votetakers' Comments: Apart from a slight hiccup at the start of the vote where the reply-to address differed from the originally intended address, there were no problems. No invalid votes were received. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This vote was conducted by two neutral third party members of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RATIONALE: Recently, a proposal failed its fast track due to objections about two minor problems. The proponent made changes to correct these problems and then re-submitted a fast-track request. This failed as people did not like the fact that this procedure was not given in the guidelines. This RFD seeks to correct that by providing a mechanism by which this can be done. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PROPOSAL: Amend the first paragraph of section (5) of the Guidelines for Group Creation to read the following: 5. If, by the end of the initial discussion period, a consensus has been reached and the proposal appears to be straightforward and non-controversial, the proponent may, within 40 days of the original publication of the most recent RFD, ask control@usenet.org.uk to create the group by the "fast-track" method. If Control (as advised by the Committee) is satisfied of this, he will announce in uk.net.news.announce that, in the absence of valid objections, the new group will be created on a date not less than 5 days thereafter. In the event of 4 or more objections, or any objection which seems to the Committee to be well founded, the fast-track procedure shall be halted, and the RFD should either proceed to a vote, or have a revised RFD submitted for further discussion. In circumstances where the fast-track has failed on only minor problems, the proponent is permitted to correct these, and re-submit a fast-track request with the corrections, which shall then be conducted as above. For comparison, the present text reads: 5. If, by the end of the initial discussion period, a consensus has been reached and the proposal appears to be straightforward and non-controversial, the proponent may, within 40 days of the original publication of the most recent RFD, ask control@usenet.org.uk to create the group by the "fast-track" method. If Control (as advised by the Committee) is satisfied of this, he will announce in uk.net.news.announce that, in the absence of valid objections, the new group will be created on a date not less than 5 days thereafter. In the event of 4 or more objections, or any objection which seems to the Committee to be well founded, the fast-track method shall not be used, and the RFD should either proceed to a vote, or have a revised RFD submitted for further discussion. END PROPOSAL. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOpA52WOfGXkh8vHZAQFGngP/fpHQbACksyDWi2mEjEF3z0tKpNRxfQBn viexM+be24M5PIe9z/MTdT0mKCftG3JCILsu/lQcS9yNmu6tiCGIJnvgmNDsKkAc 4vVBDlBe0B/6IWINyWi7nsDmOpPl5lU+tksbr07JadR8DpRRDaeER2PbCtAM1PBx dOTlCheRHv0= =Hyq/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----