27 Feb 2001: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg

From: ukvoting@amigo.co.uk
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:06:17 +0000
Subject: RESULT: Create newsgroup uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg PASSES 28:3
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.rec.cars.misc,uk.rec.cars.maintenance,free.uk.diy.car,uk.d-i-y


                     RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg

PROPOSAL - Create newsgroup uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg PASSES 28:3

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 24th February 2001.

Proponent: Austin Shackles <ans-lpg@ddol-las.telinco.co.uk>
Votetaker: David Mahon <ukvoting@amigo.co.uk>

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uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.rec.cars.misc,
uk.rec.cars.maintenance, free.uk.diy.car, uk.d-i-y

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale, Summary of Discussion & Proposed Charter

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PROPOSAL - Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg

    YES : 28 votes
     NO :  3 votes
ABSTAIN :  3 votes
  Total : 34 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 25 votes. For passage, there must be 12
more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, this proposal PASSES.

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Name                            Email

$imes*raunds.demon.oc.ku        Simes*raunds.demon.oc.ku              Y
alanalbion                      helton*clara.oc.ku                    Y
Alex Holden                     votes*alex-holden.oc.ku               N
Alistair J Gunn                 palmersperry*yahoo.moc                Y
Andrew Heggie                   andrew.heggie*dtn.ntl.moc             Y
Anthony Evans                   ant*poggo.freeserve.oc.ku             N
Austin Shackles                 austin*ddol-las.telinco.oc.ku         Y
cjd                             c.dennison*lineone.ten                Y
Daniele Procida                 procida*cf.ca.ku                      Y
Dave Mayall                     david.mayall*ukonline.oc.ku           N
Dave Mills                      davemills*ravesw.demon.oc.ku          Y
David Wood                      david*wood2.gro.ku                    Y
DinkiPixie                      dinkipix*dinkipix.oc.ku               Y
entwisi                         entwisi*lineone.ten                   Y
Jaimie Vandenbergh              jaimie*firepile.demon.oc.ku           Y
Jeffrey Goldberg                jeffrey*goldmark.gro                  A
Jonathan Gulliver               jonathan.gulliver*virgin.ten          Y
Kevin Poole                     draycottclocks*ntlworld.moc           Y
Mark Etherington                marke*roxley.oc.ku                    Y
Melanie Rimmer                  mel*liberator.demon.oc.ku             Y
Mike Henry                      {$usenet$}*mrtickle.demon.oc.ku       Y
Neil Barker                     neil*nemesis.ut                       Y
Nick                            Nick.foot*dial.pipex.moc              Y
Oiorpata                        oiorpata*brevet.ut                    Y
Paul Giverin                    paul*giverin.oc.ku                    Y
pete-d                          pjd*Ntned.ten                         Y
Philip Powell                   philip*blencathra.gro.ku              Y
Richard Kettlewell              rjk+ukv-fuellpg*sfere.greenend.gro.ku A
Rob                             robrait*clara.ten                     Y
Steven Field                    steven.field*durham.ca.ku             Y
Thomas / Joseph Stockdale       tom*jtstockdale.freeserve.oc.ku       Y
Thomas Rushton                  ThomasRushton*totalise.oc.ku          Y
Tony                            tony*darkstorm.oc.ku                  A
YADJ                            ackridj*pgen.ten                      Y

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Apart from a slight hiccup at the start of the vote where the CFV was
posted twice (with different end dates to the election), there were no
real problems. The latter of the two dates was actually used.

Four people re-voted - all four voted the same way on both occasions.
One person voted twice using different email addresses but there was no
attempt at deception. In all cases the latter vote was counted and
included in the results above.

One person failed to vote correctly despite numerous attempts on my part
to inform him that his vote would not be counted unless a correctly
filled in ballot form was returned (a ballot form at all would have been
nice - I did supply him with a copy of the CFV). He will finally have to
believe me that his vote really was not counted now the results have
been published.

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RATIONALE: uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg

The use of LPG is growing rapidly in the UK, it has been labelled the
environment friendly fuel of the future, however no specific newsgroup
exists for its discussion.  There is an increasing number of posts about
this subject on other uk.rec.car.* newsgroups.  A focal point is needed
by people interested in the subject.  A mailing list exists which is
becoming increasingly busy; a newsgroup would be more flexible and wide-



This RFD follows 2 others on the same subject.  The second one resulted
mainly from a name change, as far as I can see, to make it fit better
into the hierarchical naming.  I took over from the original proponent
who didn't have time to pursue it, and it was deemed that another RFD
would be useful (if only to change the proponent).  I also fine-tuned
the charter to make it a little more specific about what is or isn't on
topic for the group.  It was then submitted, and processed by control.

In broad terms, the views expressed tallied fairly closely with those in
the earlier discussion - a number of people have expressed support with
the proposal as it stands, and allege that they will support the group.
A smaller number of people seem to want a different group, viz.
uk.rec.cars.fuel.alternative.  They suggest that this would be better -
I have stated my views about this in the config group, in brief: the
intention behind my proposal is mainly to discuss technical, and
practical aspects of LPG use, some other fuels are technically similar
and this is reflected in the RFD.  Others are dissimilar to a greater or
lesser extent, and don't tie in too well, so I excluded discussion on
these.  I further think that general discussion on ecological impacts of
alternative fuels, etc, isn't what the group is intended to do, and
would be better served by a separate group, maybe not in the cars
hierarchy at all.  I've stated that view, too :-) - personally, I'd
support an application for a general alternative fuel group, if any of
them care enough to do an RFD for it...

I think the discussion has really polarised into these 2 views, and that
there would be enough support for the group as originally planned.


CHARTER: uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg

This group is for discussing all aspects of the conversion of cars to
and the running of cars on LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas) in the UK,
including conversion of light vans, minibuses and 4x4s which use
basically car type engines and also including issues such as
availability of LPG.

Discussion of conversions to CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) is also

Discussion of engine changes from diesel to petrol is allowed where this
has been done in order to convert to LPG.

Discussion on the conversion of large commercial vehicles or buses, or
of the wider environmental issues relating to internal combustion
engines is not allowed.

Other topics such as legal aspects, vehicle warranties or insurance are
only permitted provided the discussion is relevant to the use of LPG.


Advertising is forbidden, with the following exception:

Postings may include web addresses, URLs, phone numbers or addresses to
RELEVANT businesses or suppliers in response to specific questions.
General postings of such URLs etc., even if posted by a third party, are
not allowed.

Binaries & Formatting

Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden.
Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be
posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where
authentication is important and should be as short as possible.


As with most groups, excessively long signatures are not allowed.  The
normal rule for this is 4 standard-length lines (80 characters or less)
and while this will not be enforced to the letter excessively long
signatures will constitute a violation of this charter.  The inclusion
of web page links in signatures is acceptable, but if these refer to a
commercial site (and are thus advertisements in all but name) they
should be readily identifiable as such.

Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted
messages are prohibited. To see how to make your newsreader comply with
this, read <http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.


Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
"postmaster" and/or Service Provider.


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