15 Mar 1998: uk.local.london.transport/uk.transport.london


From: voting@mort.demon.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:23:46 GMT
Subject: uk.transport.london PASSES
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.transport,uk.railway,uk.local.london,misc.transport.urban-transit

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        Creation of newsgroup uk.local.london.transport/uk.london.transport
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Result
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        Newsgroup uk.transport.london PASSES

                Preferred 50:44 against uk.local.london.transport.
                Newsgroup creation succeeds 86:14 against No Group.


Voter List
==========

Valid ballots were received from the following:
     Robert Forsythe:         robert.forsythe.rmep.demon.co.uk
           Mike Pitt:      mikepitt.chiark.pea.greenend.org.uk
          Paul Duree:              eep1pd.ee.eaus.surrey.ac.uk
       Ian B Snowdon:          Snowy.reec.isnowdon.demon.co.uk
         Phil Culmer:             heretic.spuddy.kmr.mew.co.uk
       Richard Letts:          richard.illuin.gbyc.demon.co.uk
     Matthew Balyuzi:            matt.matthewb.tog.demon.co.uk
      Steve Blighton:      steve.blighton.dial.gkeml.pipex.com
               T Lee:                       tfl.slea.psp.co.uk
       J. J. Farrell:                      jjf.fjcomp.ntte.com
         Colin Leech:         crleech.freenet.carleton.takt.ca
         Tobias Erle:                  tobias.bct.erle.gmx.net
        Alan Cheilek:                  cheilek.ssfci.cisco.com
        Andy Mabbett:    amabbett.bham-assist.towc.demon.co.uk
    Lyn David Thomas:           lyn.stuffing.jhogn.demon.co.uk
   martin w m bryant:            mwmb.papanui.kiego.win-uk.net
 Christian P. Hansen:        chris.sfwn.hansenhome.demon.co.uk
      Darren Meldrum:               darren.wfeso.meldrum.co.uk
           Tim Green:                  lime.nefh.oaktree.co.uk
     Colin Cockerill:            cdlc.hencomp.win-uk.bbfkt.net
       Theo van Riet:                 tvanriet.macbel.cdomo.be
           Lisa Webb:                 lisa.apc.ncbib.cix.co.uk
        James Lawson:                     chasm.ucsir.ccl4.org
           Phil Hunt:         philh.dtjfa.vision25.demon.co.uk
        Claire Speed:      Claire.Speed.nessie.tnras.mcc.ac.uk
      Martin Bridges:                 BridgesM.kwlc.logica.com
        Craig Antill:          craig.ldceb.titangb.demon.co.uk
          John Blake:              johnpbl.mae.globalnet.co.uk
        Chris Livsey:              cjl.csl.ocrixon.demon.co.uk
         David Miles:    david.gbfd.networkdesigns.demon.co.uk
    Colin Rosenstiel:                 rosenstiel.nrn.cix.co.uk
       Stephen Gower:              sjg.k2.roag.stcatz.ox.ac.uk
         SJFBeckwith:                     me.nak.steves.org.uk
         Tony Walton:              tony.walton.UK.Sun.laws.COM
     John S.Robinson:                     jsr.ggjpi.bcs.org.uk
        David Connor:               dconnor.lvkfl.dircon.co.uk
    John Szmigielski:          john.grppn.computel.demon.co.uk
            C Norrie:         Charles.geodeon.njbe.demon.co.uk
      nIGEL mARSHALL:   nigel_marshall.esf.nvm.globalnet.co.uk
        Roland Perry:                   roland.nlv.perry.co.uk
                PRAR:                  prar.snfg.vossnet.co.uk
         Mark Collis:             mwc22.hermes.ioeeh.cam.ac.uk
        Aidan Folkes:               af6715.hgltj.bristol.ac.uk
         Arwel Parry:          arwel.cartref.naruc.demon.co.uk
          Simon Gray:               simon.puoa.star-one.org.uk
        James Farrar:                james.farrar.gbf.ic.ac.uk
            Ian Jelf:           ian.yksh.bluebadge.demon.co.uk
        Jim Jaworski:               soo696.freenet.stepg.mb.ca
    David R. Winters:                  wintersx.wdht.yahoo.com
       Annabel Smyth:         Annabel.jafc.amsmyth.demon.co.uk
        Barry Salter:                 9an82.jie.dial.pipex.com
    Steve Fitzgerald:            steve.g7kkh.rseme.demon.co.uk
          Dan Glover:                dan.dangl.anl.demon.co.uk
      David Richards:    david.richards.dv-8.ohvts.demon.co.uk
         Alex Holden:                 alex.alexh.clara.dfe.net
         Dave Mayall:         david.mayall.fmwr.ukonline.co.uk
           John Mara:               JOHNMARA.prodigy.klmrd.net
        Mike Cattell:        MCattell.mikecat.jtca.demon.co.uk
         Dave jw Day:         news97d.stejonda.paa.demon.co.uk
         Mike Newman:   mike.greatnorthern.tsaea.prestel.co.uk
          James Kemp:             jas.jmkemp.gboct.demon.co.uk
        Alan Fleming:                  af.iaint.contract.co.uk
            Mike Arm:                        arm.iname.pbd.com
     John C. Elliott:      john.elliott.vhf.mail.ndirect.co.uk
         Andy Savage:             Andy.hiljarv.ege.demon.co.uk
        Nigel Cliffe:              ncliffe.pdrs.hfnet.bt.co.uk
       David Spencer:              dave.dsds.pgmdi.demon.co.uk
           Al Holmes:               al.fawbc.alih.dircon.co.uk
     Andrew Wineberg:           A.gbto.Wineberg.btinternet.com
        Gary Skinner:          gary.skinner.uae.ukonline.co.uk
           Kevin Lee:              keltia4.dial.amds.pipex.com
           Tim Gowen:  tim.equipoise.demon.ltp.co.uk.anti-spam
     Gareth Rowlands:          gareth.lightfox.rln.demon.co.uk
       Michael Parry:    michael.ptod.unicorn-connection.co.uk
      Paul Bolchover:              pb10003.awhbt.cus.cam.ac.uk
          Tim Miller:                tm6248.fsit.bristol.ac.uk
   David Chamberlain:             david.hdt.leguer.demon.co.uk
         Pete Humble:               pjh1.mlode.leicester.ac.uk
           Tim Walls:     walls.prl.vghbn.research.philips.com
         Martin Rich:                  M.mle.G.Rich.city.ac.uk
    Chris Richardson:               foop.sg4.pst.pcy.kcl.ac.uk
       Paul Franklin:                      paul.tidbf.cd.co.uk
       Mark Ynys-Mon:                        mcy.tap.demon.net
    Anthony Matheson:   Anthony.dsd.Matheson.amath.demon.co.uk
      Russell Schulz:       Russell_Schulz.locutus.fch.ofb.org
          James Nash:                   J.ypeyi.Nash.mdx.ac.uk
      Charles Ellson:         charles.ntrba.ellson.demon.co.uk
Antony Marsden (Bod):      A.D.Marsden.amme.itfk.salford.ac.uk
          Phil Clark:              pjclark.enterprise.preu.net
       John C Haines:               jhaines.eitp.argonet.co.uk
     Charles Lindsey:               chl.iktum.clw.cs.man.ac.uk
         Andy Veitch:            andrew.veitch.virgin.jlnk.net
         Mike Watson:               mike.wfh.d-m-g.demon.co.uk
        John Rowland:                  johnr.sepac.tenet.co.uk
       Nick Leverton:          leveret.gjkb.warren.demon.co.uk
         Steve Peake:           puppet.pop.dial.leei.pipex.com
         P F Vincent:           peter.vincefam.afm.demon.co.uk
         ANNA Warman:            ANNA.warman.aprfc.demon.co.uk
          Steve Fagg:                nightwol.vja.dircon.co.uk
      Stephen D. Way:           steveway.amyk.ways.demon.co.uk
     Bancroft Gracey:          bancroft.ekn.shoebox.win-uk.net


Ballots
=======

The ballots for each voter were are follows:
                 ullt: uk.local.london.transport
                  utl: uk.transport.london
                   sq: status quo (no newsgroup)

          Voter Name  ullt  utl   sq   Preference order
======================================================
     Robert Forsythe:    2    1    -    utl ullt
           Mike Pitt:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
          Paul Duree:    2    1    -    utl ullt
       Ian B Snowdon:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
         Phil Culmer:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
       Richard Letts:    -    -    2     sq
     Matthew Balyuzi:    2    3    1     sq ullt  utl
      Steve Blighton:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
               T Lee:    -    -    1     sq
       J. J. Farrell:    -    1    -    utl
         Colin Leech:    2    1    -    utl ullt
         Tobias Erle:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
        Alan Cheilek:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
        Andy Mabbett:    2    1    -    utl ullt
    Lyn David Thomas:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
   martin w m bryant:    1    -    -   ullt
 Christian P. Hansen:    2    1    -    utl ullt
      Darren Meldrum:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
           Tim Green:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
     Colin Cockerill:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
       Theo van Riet:    3    1    2    utl   sq ullt
           Lisa Webb:    2    1    -    utl ullt
        James Lawson:    -    -    1     sq
           Phil Hunt:    -    -    -
        Claire Speed:    3    1    2    utl   sq ullt
      Martin Bridges:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
        Craig Antill:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
          John Blake:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
        Chris Livsey:    2    1    -    utl ullt
         David Miles:    2    1    -    utl ullt
    Colin Rosenstiel:    2    1    -    utl ullt
       Stephen Gower:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
         SJFBeckwith:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
         Tony Walton:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
     John S.Robinson:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
        David Connor:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
    John Szmigielski:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
            C Norrie:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
      nIGEL mARSHALL:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
        Roland Perry:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
                PRAR:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
         Mark Collis:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
        Aidan Folkes:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
         Arwel Parry:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
          Simon Gray:    1    -    2   ullt   sq
        James Farrar:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
            Ian Jelf:    2    1    -    utl ullt
        Jim Jaworski:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
    David R. Winters:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
       Annabel Smyth:    2    1    -    utl ullt
        Barry Salter:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
    Steve Fitzgerald:    -    -    1     sq
          Dan Glover:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
      David Richards:    2    1    -    utl ullt
         Alex Holden:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
         Dave Mayall:    3    1    2    utl   sq ullt
           John Mara:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
        Mike Cattell:    -    1    -    utl
         Dave jw Day:    2    1    -    utl ullt
         Mike Newman:    2    1    -    utl ullt
          James Kemp:    -    1    -    utl
        Alan Fleming:    -    2    1     sq  utl
            Mike Arm:    2    1    -    utl ullt
     John C. Elliott:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
         Andy Savage:    2    1    -    utl ullt
        Nigel Cliffe:    2    1    -    utl ullt
       David Spencer:    1    -    -   ullt
           Al Holmes:    2    1    -    utl ullt
     Andrew Wineberg:    2    1    -    utl ullt
        Gary Skinner:    1    -    -   ullt
           Kevin Lee:    3    2    1     sq  utl ullt
           Tim Gowen:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
     Gareth Rowlands:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
       Michael Parry:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
      Paul Bolchover:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
          Tim Miller:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
   David Chamberlain:    -    -    1     sq
         Pete Humble:    1    3    2   ullt   sq  utl
           Tim Walls:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
         Martin Rich:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
    Chris Richardson:    1    -    -   ullt
       Paul Franklin:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
       Mark Ynys-Mon:    2    1    -    utl ullt
    Anthony Matheson:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
      Russell Schulz:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
          James Nash:    1    -    2   ullt   sq
      Charles Ellson:    -    -    1     sq
Antony Marsden (Bod):    1    2    -   ullt  utl
          Phil Clark:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
       John C Haines:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
     Charles Lindsey:    1    2    3   ullt  utl   sq
         Andy Veitch:    1    -    -   ullt
         Mike Watson:    2    1    3    utl ullt   sq
        John Rowland:    2    1    -    utl ullt
       Nick Leverton:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
         Steve Peake:    2    1    -    utl ullt
         P F Vincent:    3    2    1     sq  utl ullt
         ANNA Warman:    1    2    -   ullt  utl
          Steve Fagg:    1    3    2   ullt   sq  utl
      Stephen D. Way:    1    -    -   ullt
     Bancroft Gracey:    2    1    -    utl ullt


Count
=====

This vote was counted using the 'stop-gap' procedure specified
by the UK Usenet Committee.

PASS 1: Alternative vote, ignoring status quo option

AV count: round 1 [status quo is ignored in pass 1]
        Ballots: 101, abstentions 7, quota 48
     uk.local.london.transport: 44
           uk.transport.london: 50

Option uk.transport.london with 50 reaches quota (48)

PASS 2: Comparison of PASS 1 winner with status quo option

Yes/No for uk.transport.london:
        YES: 86
         NO: 14
        ABS: 1

Result: Option uk.transport.london wins AV and passes +12 (72) v status quo


Votetaker's Remarks
===================

There were 101 valid ballots, including one abstention.  Despite the
relatively high turn-out, there was only one disallowed vote.

One ballot contained a single 'x' against an option instead of a
number.  This was counted as a '1' for that option.

One ballot was received from news@<domain> and was returned with
a request that it should be re-submitted from a non-admin address
(a valid ballot was subsequently received).

One ballot was recieved from username news97d.  I had mixed feelings
about this, but decided to allow it without requesting a re-submission.

Four ballots didn't include the name in the appropriate place on
the ballot paper.  The name was extracted from the headers - note
that under the procedures recently published by UK-VOTING these
ballots would not be counted in future.


Disallowed Votes
================

        neilirving@nospam.demon.co.uk           nospam.demon invalid

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