03 Jan 2000: Creation of Group for Sky Technical Issues
From: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:31:55 GMT
Subject: RESULT : Group for Sky Technical Issues PASSES
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.media.tv.sky,alt.satellite.tv.europe,uk.media.tv.misc
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RESULT - Creation of Group for Sky Technical Issues PASSES
Summary of results:
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The six options were:
Option 1 : uk.tech.reception.sky
Option 2 : uk.tech.tv.sky
Option 3 : uk.media.tv.sky.tech
Option 4 : uk.tech.digital-tv.sky
Re-Open Discussion
Status Quo (no group is created)
STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:
Option 1 preferred to Status Quo by 22 votes to 14
Option 2 preferred to Status Quo by 25 votes to 12
Option 3 preferred to Status Quo by 25 votes to 15
Option 4 preferred to Status Quo by 22 votes to 16
Re-Open Discussion preferred to Status Quo by 21 votes to 18
As Option 2 is the only one to beat Status Quo by at least 12 votes, it
is the Condorcet winner and Stage Two is not necessary. Therefore, as
the result of this vote, a newsgroup called uk.tech.tv.sky is created.
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 29th December 1999
Proponent: Claire Speed <c.speed@mcc.ac.uk>
Votetaker: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.tech.digital-tv
uk.media.tv.sky, alt.satellite.tv.europe, uk.media.tv.misc
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The Results:
The results follow below in the following order:
1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale & Proposed Changes
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RESULTS:
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
1 2 3 4 ROD SQ
Option 1 [n/a] [ 12] [ 17] [ 20] [ 26] [ 22]
Option 2 [ 21] [n/a] [ 20] [ 19] [ 30] [ 25]
Option 3 [ 20] [ 14] [n/a] [ 15] [ 26] [ 25]
Option 4 [ 14] [ 13] [ 20] [n/a] [ 25] [ 22]
ROD [ 14] [ 8] [ 14] [ 12] [n/a] [ 21]
Status Quo [ 14] [ 12] [ 15] [ 16] [ 18] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 11 votes preferred
option one (uk.tech.reception.sky) to option two (uk.tech.tv.sky) while
14 votes preferred reopening the discussion to option one.
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PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE:
Group for Sky Technical Issues Final Vote Ack
Status Quo (no group is created) --------\
Re-Open Discussion -------\|
Option 4 : uk.tech.digital-tv.sky ------\||
Option 3 : uk.media.tv.sky.tech -----\|||
Option 2 : uk.tech.tv.sky ----\||||
Option 1 : uk.tech.reception.sky ---\|||||
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$simon$ star-one org uk (Simon Gray) 2-1--3
666_ hack powernet co uk (Simon Gardner) 1-----
a j walker virgin net (Andy Walker) 436521
aidan celestis freeserve co uk (Aidan Folkes) 124356
alex-news oenone demon co uk (Alex D. Baxter) ------
alex dawson uea ac uk (Alex Dawson) 316245
alex alexh clara co uk (Alex Holden) 126345
andrew smithh usa net (Andrew Smith) 641523
barry bann co uk (Barry Dorrans) 631256
brett dimetrodon demon co uk (Brett Paul Dunbar) 234156
butler01 freenetname co uk (A. Butler) 231456
c speed mcc ac uk (Claire Speed) 423156
chl clw cs man ac uk (Charles Lindsey) 122131
darren meldrum co uk (Darren Meldrum) 624135
dirk loth demon co uk (Steve Dodd) 112111
duncan bute org uk (Duncan Dewar) 541362
herbie orac screaming net (Herbie) 321456
ian morris morrfin demon co uk (Ian Morris) 443421
j goldberg cranfield ac uk (Jeffrey Goldberg) ------
james sfgiants22 freeserve co uk (James Farrar) 321564
jcb avism demon co uk (John B.) 136254
jim crowfam demon co uk (Jim Crowther) 122234
joe higco freeserve co uk (Joe Higman) ----21
john humphries co uk (John H) 623145
jon thomson2273 freeserve co uk (Jon Thomson) 231645
karen252 excite com (karen252) 222261
merlin netlink co uk (Darren Wyn Rees) ----21
nick nregan co uk (Nick Regan) 312645
nl corwyn demon co uk (Lesley Simpson) 214356
p herring dcs shef ac uk (Patrick Herring) 415326
paul-u xebon clara co uk (Paul) 113241
pjstedman1 eircom net (pjs) 654321
richardr ukgateway net (Richard Rees) 241356
rob bluenoze demon co uk (Rob Hill) ----21
robbie arrakis nu (robbie) 215643
spod venicones demon co uk (Stuart O'Donnell) 113221
steve wrightnet demon co uk (Steve Wright) 124365
systimk bridge anglia ac uk (Ian Kitching) 214356
tfl psp co uk (Thomas Lee) ------
tgold panix com (Anthony R. Gold) 312546
tim sneath russley com (Tim Sneath) 652143
tony walton sun com (Tony Walton) 623154
vote-uk kholdan snafu de (tobias erle) 631245
{r} sunshine tm (Richard Ashton) 421356
Note: A = Abstain/No Preference
Voter | Preference
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Simon Gray | 3 > 1 > SQ > 2 = 4 = ROD
Simon Gardner | 1 > 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ
Andy Walker | SQ > ROD > 2 > 1 > 4 > 3
Aidan Folkes | 1 > 2 > 4 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Alex D. Baxter | 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ
Alex Dawson | 2 > 4 > 1 > ROD > SQ > 3
Alex Holden | 1 > 2 > 4 > ROD > SQ > 3
Andrew Smith | 3 > ROD > SQ > 2 > 4 > 1
Barry Dorrans | 3 > 4 > 2 > ROD > 1 = SQ
Brett Paul Dunbar | 4 > 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ
A. Butler | 3 > 1 > 2 > 4 > ROD > SQ
Claire Speed | 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Charles Lindsey | 1 = 4 = SQ > 2 = 3 > ROD
Darren Meldrum | 4 > 2 > ROD > 3 > SQ > 1
Steve Dodd | 1 = 2 = 4 = ROD = SQ > 3
Duncan Dewar | 3 > SQ > 4 > 2 > 1 > ROD
Herbie | 3 > 2 > 1 > 4 > ROD > SQ
Ian Morris | SQ > ROD > 3 > 1 = 2 = 4
Jeffrey Goldberg | 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ
James Farrar | 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > 4 > ROD
John B. | 1 > 4 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3
Jim Crowther | 1 > 2 = 3 = 4 > ROD > SQ
Joe Higman | SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4
John H | 4 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ > 1
Jon Thomson | 3 > 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ > 4
karen252 | SQ > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 > ROD
Darren Wyn Rees | SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4
Nick Regan | 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD > SQ > 4
Lesley Simpson | 2 > 1 > 4 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Patrick Herring | 2 > ROD > 4 > 1 > 3 > SQ
Paul | 1 = 2 = SQ > 4 > 3 > ROD
pjs | SQ > ROD > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
Richard Rees | 3 > 1 > 4 > 2 > ROD > SQ
Rob Hill | SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4
Robbie | 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD > 3 > 4
Stuart O'Donnell | 1 = 2 = SQ > 4 = ROD > 3
Steve Wright | 1 > 2 > 4 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Ian Kitching | 2 > 1 > 4 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Thomas Lee | 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ
Anthony R. Gold | 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD > 4 > SQ
Tim Sneath | 4 > 3 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 1
Tony Walton | 4 > 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD > 1
Tobias Erle | 3 > 4 > 2 > ROD > SQ > 1
Richard Ashton | 3 > 2 > 4 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Votes in error
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ever_hopeful mydeja.com
! No name given
barrie forte airtime co uk (Barrie Heaton)
! No name or address on ballot paper
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Votetakers Comments:
Once again, the result was very close, with the winning option beating
Status Quo by just 13 votes.
As usual, a couple of people failed to follow the voting instructions
correctly and failed to resubmit their votes.
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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs
in the uk hierarchy.
The rules under which this vote was taken are posted regularly to
uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
<ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.
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RATIONALE: (including Summary of Discussion)
The newsgroup uk.media.tv.sky is intended, by its current charter, to
be a programme discussion group. It has in recent past, however, become
the focus for a considerable amount of technical discussion relating to
sky services.
The proposed new group would provide a more suitable home for such
discussion.
Discussion as to what exactly this group should cover (digital only or
digital and analogue explicitly) and where it should be located within
the uk.tech.* hierarchy to both attract the readership and stay
relevant has been intensive so far, but opinion is still divided.
After the initial discussion on the 3rd RFD had died down, the RFD
which was intended to lay down the options in preparation for a vote, a
fourth option was suggested of uk.media.tv.sky.tech. Even though it was
a bit late in the day, the proponent felt that this option was worthy
of consideration so this 4th RFD intends to set out the options once
again ready for an imminent CFV between them.
The charters for each of these options are given separately below with
material common to all at the end.
Summary of Discussion:
The newsgroup uk.media.tv.sky is intended, by its current charter, to
be a programme discussion group. It has in recent past, however, become
the focus for a considerable amount of technical discussion relating to
sky services.
The proposed new group would provide a more suitable home for such
discussion.
Discussion as to what exactly this group should cover (digital only or
digital and analogue explicitly) and where it should be located within
the uk.* hierarchy to both attract the readership and stay relevant has
been intensive, but opinion is still divided. Consequently this vote
offers the 4 most popular options so that the best can be selected by
ballot.
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CHARTER: uk.tech.tv.sky
Newsgroups line:
uk.tech.tv.sky Technical issues of Sky television
uk.tech.tv.sky exists for discussion of all matters technical in origin
related to the reception of sky television transmissions (digital or
analogue) and related sky technology.
The group covers (but is not limited to) reception difficulties,
configuration and connection of set-top decoders, idtv and integration
with other domestic equipment. Comparison of different manufacturers'
equipment and services is on-topic, but the discussion of content
(i.e., programmes) is not.
END CHARTER.
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