Path: oaktree.co.uk!ewrotcd!feed-ewrotcd!news.lattis.xara.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!colt.net!news-x.support.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Barry Salter Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.media.tv.sky,alt.satellite.tv.europe,uk.media.tv.misc Subject: RESULT : Group for Sky Technical Issues PASSES Followup-To: uk.net.news.config Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:31:55 GMT Sender: control@clw.cs.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey) Approved: Charles Lindsey acting as control Message-ID: X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 946919590 mail2news:10863 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!serenity.mcc.ac.uk!nessie.mcc.ac.uk!clw.cs.man.ac.uk Lines: 289 Xref: oaktree.co.uk uk.net.news.announce:1621 uk.net.news.config:80891 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT - Creation of Group for Sky Technical Issues PASSES Summary of results: =================== The six options were: Option 1 : uk.tech.reception.sky Option 2 : uk.tech.tv.sky Option 3 : uk.media.tv.sky.tech Option 4 : uk.tech.digital-tv.sky Re-Open Discussion Status Quo (no group is created) STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo: Option 1 preferred to Status Quo by 22 votes to 14 Option 2 preferred to Status Quo by 25 votes to 12 Option 3 preferred to Status Quo by 25 votes to 15 Option 4 preferred to Status Quo by 22 votes to 16 Re-Open Discussion preferred to Status Quo by 21 votes to 18 As Option 2 is the only one to beat Status Quo by at least 12 votes, it is the Condorcet winner and Stage Two is not necessary. Therefore, as the result of this vote, a newsgroup called uk.tech.tv.sky is created. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 29th December 1999 Proponent: Claire Speed Votetaker: Barry Salter Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.tech.digital-tv uk.media.tv.sky, alt.satellite.tv.europe, uk.media.tv.misc - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Results 2) Particulars of the Vote 3) Votetakers Comments 4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 5) Rationale & Proposed Changes - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RESULTS: RAW PREFERENCES GRID 1 2 3 4 ROD SQ Option 1 [n/a] [ 12] [ 17] [ 20] [ 26] [ 22] Option 2 [ 21] [n/a] [ 20] [ 19] [ 30] [ 25] Option 3 [ 20] [ 14] [n/a] [ 15] [ 26] [ 25] Option 4 [ 14] [ 13] [ 20] [n/a] [ 25] [ 22] ROD [ 14] [ 8] [ 14] [ 12] [n/a] [ 21] Status Quo [ 14] [ 12] [ 15] [ 16] [ 18] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 11 votes preferred option one (uk.tech.reception.sky) to option two (uk.tech.tv.sky) while 14 votes preferred reopening the discussion to option one. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE: Group for Sky Technical Issues Final Vote Ack Status Quo (no group is created) --------\ Re-Open Discussion -------\| Option 4 : uk.tech.digital-tv.sky ------\|| Option 3 : uk.media.tv.sky.tech -----\||| Option 2 : uk.tech.tv.sky ----\|||| Option 1 : uk.tech.reception.sky ---\||||| |||||| $simon$ star-one org uk (Simon Gray) 2-1--3 666_ hack powernet co uk (Simon Gardner) 1----- a j walker virgin net (Andy Walker) 436521 aidan celestis freeserve co uk (Aidan Folkes) 124356 alex-news oenone demon co uk (Alex D. Baxter) ------ alex dawson uea ac uk (Alex Dawson) 316245 alex alexh clara co uk (Alex Holden) 126345 andrew smithh usa net (Andrew Smith) 641523 barry bann co uk (Barry Dorrans) 631256 brett dimetrodon demon co uk (Brett Paul Dunbar) 234156 butler01 freenetname co uk (A. Butler) 231456 c speed mcc ac uk (Claire Speed) 423156 chl clw cs man ac uk (Charles Lindsey) 122131 darren meldrum co uk (Darren Meldrum) 624135 dirk loth demon co uk (Steve Dodd) 112111 duncan bute org uk (Duncan Dewar) 541362 herbie orac screaming net (Herbie) 321456 ian morris morrfin demon co uk (Ian Morris) 443421 j goldberg cranfield ac uk (Jeffrey Goldberg) ------ james sfgiants22 freeserve co uk (James Farrar) 321564 jcb avism demon co uk (John B.) 136254 jim crowfam demon co uk (Jim Crowther) 122234 joe higco freeserve co uk (Joe Higman) ----21 john humphries co uk (John H) 623145 jon thomson2273 freeserve co uk (Jon Thomson) 231645 karen252 excite com (karen252) 222261 merlin netlink co uk (Darren Wyn Rees) ----21 nick nregan co uk (Nick Regan) 312645 nl corwyn demon co uk (Lesley Simpson) 214356 p herring dcs shef ac uk (Patrick Herring) 415326 paul-u xebon clara co uk (Paul) 113241 pjstedman1 eircom net (pjs) 654321 richardr ukgateway net (Richard Rees) 241356 rob bluenoze demon co uk (Rob Hill) ----21 robbie arrakis nu (robbie) 215643 spod venicones demon co uk (Stuart O'Donnell) 113221 steve wrightnet demon co uk (Steve Wright) 124365 systimk bridge anglia ac uk (Ian Kitching) 214356 tfl psp co uk (Thomas Lee) ------ tgold panix com (Anthony R. Gold) 312546 tim sneath russley com (Tim Sneath) 652143 tony walton sun com (Tony Walton) 623154 vote-uk kholdan snafu de (tobias erle) 631245 {r} sunshine tm (Richard Ashton) 421356 Note: A = Abstain/No Preference Voter | Preference - --------------------+------------------------------ Simon Gray | 3 > 1 > SQ > 2 = 4 = ROD Simon Gardner | 1 > 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ Andy Walker | SQ > ROD > 2 > 1 > 4 > 3 Aidan Folkes | 1 > 2 > 4 > 3 > ROD > SQ Alex D. Baxter | 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ Alex Dawson | 2 > 4 > 1 > ROD > SQ > 3 Alex Holden | 1 > 2 > 4 > ROD > SQ > 3 Andrew Smith | 3 > ROD > SQ > 2 > 4 > 1 Barry Dorrans | 3 > 4 > 2 > ROD > 1 = SQ Brett Paul Dunbar | 4 > 1 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ A. Butler | 3 > 1 > 2 > 4 > ROD > SQ Claire Speed | 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD > SQ Charles Lindsey | 1 = 4 = SQ > 2 = 3 > ROD Darren Meldrum | 4 > 2 > ROD > 3 > SQ > 1 Steve Dodd | 1 = 2 = 4 = ROD = SQ > 3 Duncan Dewar | 3 > SQ > 4 > 2 > 1 > ROD Herbie | 3 > 2 > 1 > 4 > ROD > SQ Ian Morris | SQ > ROD > 3 > 1 = 2 = 4 Jeffrey Goldberg | 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ James Farrar | 3 > 2 > 1 > SQ > 4 > ROD John B. | 1 > 4 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 Jim Crowther | 1 > 2 = 3 = 4 > ROD > SQ Joe Higman | SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 John H | 4 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ > 1 Jon Thomson | 3 > 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ > 4 karen252 | SQ > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 > ROD Darren Wyn Rees | SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 Nick Regan | 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD > SQ > 4 Lesley Simpson | 2 > 1 > 4 > 3 > ROD > SQ Patrick Herring | 2 > ROD > 4 > 1 > 3 > SQ Paul | 1 = 2 = SQ > 4 > 3 > ROD pjs | SQ > ROD > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1 Richard Rees | 3 > 1 > 4 > 2 > ROD > SQ Rob Hill | SQ > ROD > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 Robbie | 2 > 1 > SQ > ROD > 3 > 4 Stuart O'Donnell | 1 = 2 = SQ > 4 = ROD > 3 Steve Wright | 1 > 2 > 4 > 3 > SQ > ROD Ian Kitching | 2 > 1 > 4 > 3 > ROD > SQ Thomas Lee | 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ Anthony R. Gold | 2 > 3 > 1 > ROD > 4 > SQ Tim Sneath | 4 > 3 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 1 Tony Walton | 4 > 2 > 3 > SQ > ROD > 1 Tobias Erle | 3 > 4 > 2 > ROD > SQ > 1 Richard Ashton | 3 > 2 > 4 > 1 > ROD > SQ Votes in error - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ever_hopeful mydeja.com ! No name given barrie forte airtime co uk (Barrie Heaton) ! No name or address on ballot paper - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Votetakers Comments: Once again, the result was very close, with the winning option beating Status Quo by just 13 votes. As usual, a couple of people failed to follow the voting instructions correctly and failed to resubmit their votes. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote was taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RATIONALE: (including Summary of Discussion) The newsgroup uk.media.tv.sky is intended, by its current charter, to be a programme discussion group. It has in recent past, however, become the focus for a considerable amount of technical discussion relating to sky services. The proposed new group would provide a more suitable home for such discussion. Discussion as to what exactly this group should cover (digital only or digital and analogue explicitly) and where it should be located within the uk.tech.* hierarchy to both attract the readership and stay relevant has been intensive so far, but opinion is still divided. After the initial discussion on the 3rd RFD had died down, the RFD which was intended to lay down the options in preparation for a vote, a fourth option was suggested of uk.media.tv.sky.tech. Even though it was a bit late in the day, the proponent felt that this option was worthy of consideration so this 4th RFD intends to set out the options once again ready for an imminent CFV between them. The charters for each of these options are given separately below with material common to all at the end. Summary of Discussion: The newsgroup uk.media.tv.sky is intended, by its current charter, to be a programme discussion group. It has in recent past, however, become the focus for a considerable amount of technical discussion relating to sky services. The proposed new group would provide a more suitable home for such discussion. Discussion as to what exactly this group should cover (digital only or digital and analogue explicitly) and where it should be located within the uk.* hierarchy to both attract the readership and stay relevant has been intensive, but opinion is still divided. Consequently this vote offers the 4 most popular options so that the best can be selected by ballot. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CHARTER: uk.tech.tv.sky Newsgroups line: uk.tech.tv.sky Technical issues of Sky television uk.tech.tv.sky exists for discussion of all matters technical in origin related to the reception of sky television transmissions (digital or analogue) and related sky technology. 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