04 Jan 1997: uk.food+drink.real-ale
Result: Uk.food+drink.real-ale Passes 110:13
Author: Steven Inglis
Email: Voting@bcde.demon.co.uk
Date: 1997/01/04
Forums: uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.announce, uk.food+drink.misc
Message-ID: <result-uk.food+drink.real-ale-970104-172621@usenet.org.uk>
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RESULT
Creating New Group: uk.food+drink.real-ale
Voting Closed 23:59:59 GMT, 20 December 1996.
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For voting questions only contact ukvoting@bcde.demon.co.uk
(Steven Inglis).
For questions about the new newsgroup contact the proposer who is
Brett Laniosh <brett@g4nzk.demon.co.uk>
SUMMARY: Creation of uk.food+drink.real-ale PASSES 110:13
For Group Passage, the sum of votes for a proposal must be 12 greater
than the number of votes against group creation.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
group will be created shortly thereafter. Allegations of irregularity
should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk
Distribution: uk.net.news.announce
uk.net.news.config
uk.food+drink.misc
and seperately to:
mailing list: realale@g4nzk.demon.co.uk
Summary:
uk.food+drink.real-ale Cask-conditioned ales and related topics
Rationale:
There is a huge interest in British real ales, both in the UK and
abroad. The Campaign for Real Ale has 50,000 members and this,
combined with the fact that the staple drink in British pubs is
beer indicates that a wide audience is available. In the past
year, no less than 68 "real-ale" micro-breweries have begun
brewing in the UK.
On the Internet, the increase in world wide web information is
evidence of this growth. The Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA) web
site provides ever increasing information on the subject and
there are now a large number of local Camra groups and
individuals adding their own pages. Other evidence is the
increase in the real ale breweries and brewing groups who have
their own pages.
At the time of writing, there is NO newsgroup in which the
discussion of British real ale comfortably sits. There are many
articles about real ale to be found in rec.food.drink.beer, which
has a wide ranging charter including discussion of all aspects of
Beer, worldwide. Alt.beer is a similar group in which there are
postings about UK real-ales. The only uk hierarchy group in which
beer of any sort can be discussed is uk.food+drink.misc, which is
not used very much by beer enthusiasts of any persuasion due
partly to it's inappropriate name.
Due to the many postings about real-ale on existing, but very
diverse and wide-ranging groups we feel that there should be a uk
hierarchy newsgroup where all the discussion about "real-ale" can
be brought together in one clearly defined place. This will also
encourage the many CAMRA members and real-ale enthusiasts in the
UK who have not yet found an internet forum to discuss their
interest into one easily found, appropriate newsgroup.
Discussion:
The discussion centered on the name of the proposed group. It was
felt by some that u.f+d.beer would be a more appropriate name
than u.f+d.real-ale, which would be too narrowly defined. The
proponents feel however, that there is enough support for a
focused real-ale newsgroup.
Charter:
uk.food+drink.real-ale newsgroup will be used for the discussion
of Traditional cask or bottle-conditioned beers and the places
they are consumed in from the ingredients that are used, the
brewing process, dispensing methods, flavours, quality and
tasting to the pubs that serve them. Due to the unique nature
of our cask-conditioned beers the newsgroup will be mainly be for
discussing beers brewed in the UK but discussion of any beers
which qualify as traditionally brewed and cask or
bottle-conditioned that are available in the UK will be
appropriate. Discussion about the aims and achievements of the
Campaign for Real Ale, associated campaigning and CAMRA oganised
Festivals also will be welcome as will the issues of prices, duty
and the current trends of all UK brewers, large, medium and
micro.
Related issues such as British pub preservation and real-ale home
brewing will be welcome as will relevant comparisons of real ale
with it's market competitors.
(Off topic postings will be sympathetically directed to the
relevant and already existing newsgroups.)
Binaries:
Binaries are not permitted on this group, however references to
relevant FTP-able material and Web URL's are welcomed.
Advertising:
Announcements concerning real ale issues are welcomed if they are
from non-commercial organisations but blatant off-topic or
commercial advertising and job adverts are not permitted.
Moderation:
None.
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FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
The following list of addresses is copyright 1996 Steven Inglis. Use
for any purpose other than verifying the vote for this newsgroup is
prohibited.
There were 111 YES votes and 13 NO votes, for a total of 124 valid votes.
uk.food+drink.real-ale creation Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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100116.1031@CompuServe.COM Peter Fox
100343.375@CompuServe.COM Colin Anderson
100677.1050@CompuServe.COM Laurence Fryer
100717.2266@CompuServe.COM Ian Dalziel
101722.2762@CompuServe.COM Phil Ayling
101752.1054@compuserve.com Paul Griffiths
A.Stevenson@lancaster.ac.uk Dr Andrew J Stevenson
adrianh@dial.pipex.com Adrian Hennessy
af@contract.co.uk Alan Fleming
Alan@al-ruth.demon.co.uk Alan Hinchliffe
alien@alien8.demon.co.uk alien
andcole@cogs.susx.ac.uk Andrew Cole
andrewc@nol.co.uk Andrew Crawford
andy.sloggett@lshtm.ac.uk Andy Sloggett
andy@custompc.cityscape.co.uk Andy Moore
aph@cygnus.co.uk Andrew Haley
as@horizon.co.uk Richard Ashton
asalmon@cix.compulink.co.uk Alan Salmon
banyard@guardall.co.uk Nick Banyard
barrie@avis.demon.co.uk Barrie Avis
BEN.WARDLE@GEO2.poptel.org.uk Ben Wardle
bob@foulger1.demon.co.uk R. J. Foulger
bob@rought.demon.co.uk Bob Rought
brett@g4nzk.demon.co.uk Brett Laniosh
brian@adserv.demon.co.uk BRIAN KENNEDY
C.Johnson@hunthous.demon.co.uk C.Johnson
camra@camra.org.uk Steve Cox
Chris@cmatthew.demon.co.uk Chris Matthews
chris@mousemat.demon.co.uk Chris Ames
ChrisC@pobox.co.uk Chris Clough
Conor@puddle.demon.co.uk Conor O'Neill
cook@progress.demon.co.uk Chris Cook
dave@marmot.demon.co.uk Dave Shillam
dave@stejonda.demon.co.uk Dave JW Day
david@leguer.demon.co.uk David Chamberlain
dunstan@cegelecproj.co.uk Dunstan Vavasour
gcanny@harlequins.win-uk.net Graham Canny
gerbil@gadget.wg.icl.co.uk Kevin Davies
ghughes@cix.compulink.co.uk G Hughes
gordon.woods@st-johns.oxford.ac.uk Gordon Woods
haplo@patryn.demon.co.uk Dick Whittington
hugh@evershot.demon.co.uk Hugh Newbury
ian@binny.demon.co.uk Ian Vincent
ianb@nobbler.demon.co.uk Ian Black
J.Adams@ucl.ac.uk John Paul Adams
jch@dsun1.cr.man.ac.uk Jacqueline Hand
jclarke@opentime.u-net.com John Clarke
jellis@netcomuk.co.uk Jonathan Ellis
jem@briksdal.compulink.co.uk Jem Hayward
john@johnpb.demon.co.uk John Bennett
johnbrea@microsoft.com John Breakwell
johnw@bopalula.demon.co.uk John D Wheeler
johny@central.susx.ac.uk John Yeates
jpc1@doc.ic.ac.uk Justin Cormack
jsr@bcs.org.uk John S. Robinson
jsw@isise.rl.ac.uk John Wright
june@nurdglaw.demon.co.uk June Grunwald
kev@pigtail.cix.co.uk Kev Meredith
laycock@vnet.ibm.com Andrew Laycock
leveret@warren.demon.co.uk Nick Leverton
M.J.Enderby@dl.ac.uk Mark Enderby
mcg-gsy@mcg-gsy.demon.co.uk Fran McGuinness
Michael@stentor.demon.co.uk Michael Stenton
nigel@ashton.demon.co.uk Nigel Ashton
njrw@njrwgsy.demon.co.uk Nicholas Wilson
nm@nmhome.demon.co.uk Neil McCalden
p.j.isles@reading.ac.uk Phillip Isles
pab@iqcl.co.uk Paul Burke
Paddy@severnvu.demon.co.uk Patrick Francis
pato@easynet.co.uk Pat O'Halloran
paul@gumboot.demon.co.uk Paul A Williams
paul@levante.demon.co.uk Paul Baker
paul@topsy.demon.co.uk Paul Turvey
paulgr@microsoft.com Paul Griffiths
Paul_Griffiths@msn.com Paul Griffiths
pbh@opentime.u-net.com Paul B Hutchings
pcamra@dial.pipex.com Harry Morten
peterdewhirst@dial.pipex.com PETER DEWHIRST
peterh@readsoft.co.uk Peter Hill
pherber@pherber.com Paul Herber
phil@direct.ca Phil Cottrell
phil@vision25.demon.co.uk Phil Hunt
philip@tuksbury.foobar.co.uk Philip Tiplady
pjclark@enterprise.net Phil Clark
polovina@sbu.ac.uk Dr. Simon Polovina
R.C.Dobson@newcastle.ac.uk Ruth Dobson
rgt@mail.enterprise.net Roger Taylor
richard.herring@gecm.com Richard Herring
rick@stones.demon.co.uk Rick Stones
rob4@aber.ac.uk ROBIN BURLS
robert@colsterw.demon.co.uk Robert Winstanley
rod@ellery.demon.co.uk Rod Ellery
S.Harris@LQU.maff.gov.uk Stephen Harris
sean@ocsltd.com Sean A Corfield
Simon.Farrar@astro.cf.ac.uk Simon Farrar
SMITHB@oldpaul.agw.bt.co.uk Smith, Barry
stephen@blacksheep.org Stephen Purser
steve.glover@ukonline.co.uk Steve Glover
steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk Steven Pampling
steve@rowantrees.demon.co.uk Steve Hartland
susan@ashton.demon.co.uk SUSAN ASHTON
swestby@innotts.co.uk Steve Westby
sweynh@wester-voy.compulink.co.uk SWEYN HUNTER
telecom@dircon.co.uk Steve Ellwood
tim@willets.demon.co.uk Tim Willets
timothy.moss@ncl.ac.uk Timothy Moss
tom@mairtom.demon.co.uk Tom Barrance
tonyh-mountain@mail.u-net.net Tony Henley
tyger@corcoran.demon.co.uk Ty Corcoran
wadeb@kbss.bt.co.uk Tex Bennett
WHITAKER@cabi.msm.cgnet.com Karen Whitaker
Voted No
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alaric@harlech.demon.co.uk Iain D. Bowen
ashok@poboxes.com Ashok Katwala
david.rhodes@pharmacology.oxford.ac.uk David Rhodes
jshumphries@globalnet.co.uk John S Humphries
mike@emgee.demon.co.uk mike.
nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk Nick Maclaren
paul@pcserv.demon.co.uk Paul Carpenter
sean@mesklin.demon.co.uk Sean Desmond
simon@star-one.org.uk Simon Gray
stub@boxatrix.demon.co.uk Stuart Baldwin
tfl@psp.co.uk T Lee
troddis@acorn.co.uk Timothy Roddis
u4d14@cc.keele.ac.uk Julian White
uk.food+drink.real-ale creation Bounce List - No need to revote
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gerbil@gadget.wg.icl.co.uk Kevin Davies
Ack Bounced
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Steven Inglis Independent Votetaker Uk-Voting
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