Result: Uk.food+drink.real-ale Passes 110:13 Author: Steven Inglis Email: Voting@bcde.demon.co.uk Date: 1997/01/04 Forums: uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.announce, uk.food+drink.misc Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RESULT Creating New Group: uk.food+drink.real-ale Voting Closed 23:59:59 GMT, 20 December 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UK-VOTING. UK-VOTING is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFV's in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote was taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting For voting questions only contact ukvoting@bcde.demon.co.uk (Steven Inglis). For questions about the new newsgroup contact the proposer who is Brett Laniosh SUMMARY: Creation of uk.food+drink.real-ale PASSES 110:13 For Group Passage, the sum of votes for a proposal must be 12 greater than the number of votes against group creation. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group will be created shortly thereafter. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk Distribution: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.food+drink.misc and seperately to: mailing list: realale@g4nzk.demon.co.uk Summary: uk.food+drink.real-ale Cask-conditioned ales and related topics Rationale: There is a huge interest in British real ales, both in the UK and abroad. The Campaign for Real Ale has 50,000 members and this, combined with the fact that the staple drink in British pubs is beer indicates that a wide audience is available. In the past year, no less than 68 "real-ale" micro-breweries have begun brewing in the UK. On the Internet, the increase in world wide web information is evidence of this growth. The Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA) web site provides ever increasing information on the subject and there are now a large number of local Camra groups and individuals adding their own pages. Other evidence is the increase in the real ale breweries and brewing groups who have their own pages. At the time of writing, there is NO newsgroup in which the discussion of British real ale comfortably sits. There are many articles about real ale to be found in rec.food.drink.beer, which has a wide ranging charter including discussion of all aspects of Beer, worldwide. Alt.beer is a similar group in which there are postings about UK real-ales. The only uk hierarchy group in which beer of any sort can be discussed is uk.food+drink.misc, which is not used very much by beer enthusiasts of any persuasion due partly to it's inappropriate name. Due to the many postings about real-ale on existing, but very diverse and wide-ranging groups we feel that there should be a uk hierarchy newsgroup where all the discussion about "real-ale" can be brought together in one clearly defined place. This will also encourage the many CAMRA members and real-ale enthusiasts in the UK who have not yet found an internet forum to discuss their interest into one easily found, appropriate newsgroup. Discussion: The discussion centered on the name of the proposed group. It was felt by some that u.f+d.beer would be a more appropriate name than u.f+d.real-ale, which would be too narrowly defined. The proponents feel however, that there is enough support for a focused real-ale newsgroup. Charter: uk.food+drink.real-ale newsgroup will be used for the discussion of Traditional cask or bottle-conditioned beers and the places they are consumed in from the ingredients that are used, the brewing process, dispensing methods, flavours, quality and tasting to the pubs that serve them. Due to the unique nature of our cask-conditioned beers the newsgroup will be mainly be for discussing beers brewed in the UK but discussion of any beers which qualify as traditionally brewed and cask or bottle-conditioned that are available in the UK will be appropriate. Discussion about the aims and achievements of the Campaign for Real Ale, associated campaigning and CAMRA oganised Festivals also will be welcome as will the issues of prices, duty and the current trends of all UK brewers, large, medium and micro. Related issues such as British pub preservation and real-ale home brewing will be welcome as will relevant comparisons of real ale with it's market competitors. (Off topic postings will be sympathetically directed to the relevant and already existing newsgroups.) Binaries: Binaries are not permitted on this group, however references to relevant FTP-able material and Web URL's are welcomed. Advertising: Announcements concerning real ale issues are welcomed if they are from non-commercial organisations but blatant off-topic or commercial advertising and job adverts are not permitted. Moderation: None. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS The following list of addresses is copyright 1996 Steven Inglis. Use for any purpose other than verifying the vote for this newsgroup is prohibited. There were 111 YES votes and 13 NO votes, for a total of 124 valid votes. uk.food+drink.real-ale creation Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 100116.1031@CompuServe.COM Peter Fox 100343.375@CompuServe.COM Colin Anderson 100677.1050@CompuServe.COM Laurence Fryer 100717.2266@CompuServe.COM Ian Dalziel 101722.2762@CompuServe.COM Phil Ayling 101752.1054@compuserve.com Paul Griffiths A.Stevenson@lancaster.ac.uk Dr Andrew J Stevenson adrianh@dial.pipex.com Adrian Hennessy af@contract.co.uk Alan Fleming Alan@al-ruth.demon.co.uk Alan Hinchliffe alien@alien8.demon.co.uk alien andcole@cogs.susx.ac.uk Andrew Cole andrewc@nol.co.uk Andrew Crawford andy.sloggett@lshtm.ac.uk Andy Sloggett andy@custompc.cityscape.co.uk Andy Moore aph@cygnus.co.uk Andrew Haley as@horizon.co.uk Richard Ashton asalmon@cix.compulink.co.uk Alan Salmon banyard@guardall.co.uk Nick Banyard barrie@avis.demon.co.uk Barrie Avis BEN.WARDLE@GEO2.poptel.org.uk Ben Wardle bob@foulger1.demon.co.uk R. J. Foulger bob@rought.demon.co.uk Bob Rought brett@g4nzk.demon.co.uk Brett Laniosh brian@adserv.demon.co.uk BRIAN KENNEDY C.Johnson@hunthous.demon.co.uk C.Johnson camra@camra.org.uk Steve Cox Chris@cmatthew.demon.co.uk Chris Matthews chris@mousemat.demon.co.uk Chris Ames ChrisC@pobox.co.uk Chris Clough Conor@puddle.demon.co.uk Conor O'Neill cook@progress.demon.co.uk Chris Cook dave@marmot.demon.co.uk Dave Shillam dave@stejonda.demon.co.uk Dave JW Day david@leguer.demon.co.uk David Chamberlain dunstan@cegelecproj.co.uk Dunstan Vavasour gcanny@harlequins.win-uk.net Graham Canny gerbil@gadget.wg.icl.co.uk Kevin Davies ghughes@cix.compulink.co.uk G Hughes gordon.woods@st-johns.oxford.ac.uk Gordon Woods haplo@patryn.demon.co.uk Dick Whittington hugh@evershot.demon.co.uk Hugh Newbury ian@binny.demon.co.uk Ian Vincent ianb@nobbler.demon.co.uk Ian Black J.Adams@ucl.ac.uk John Paul Adams jch@dsun1.cr.man.ac.uk Jacqueline Hand jclarke@opentime.u-net.com John Clarke jellis@netcomuk.co.uk Jonathan Ellis jem@briksdal.compulink.co.uk Jem Hayward john@johnpb.demon.co.uk John Bennett johnbrea@microsoft.com John Breakwell johnw@bopalula.demon.co.uk John D Wheeler johny@central.susx.ac.uk John Yeates jpc1@doc.ic.ac.uk Justin Cormack jsr@bcs.org.uk John S. Robinson jsw@isise.rl.ac.uk John Wright june@nurdglaw.demon.co.uk June Grunwald kev@pigtail.cix.co.uk Kev Meredith laycock@vnet.ibm.com Andrew Laycock leveret@warren.demon.co.uk Nick Leverton M.J.Enderby@dl.ac.uk Mark Enderby mcg-gsy@mcg-gsy.demon.co.uk Fran McGuinness Michael@stentor.demon.co.uk Michael Stenton nigel@ashton.demon.co.uk Nigel Ashton njrw@njrwgsy.demon.co.uk Nicholas Wilson nm@nmhome.demon.co.uk Neil McCalden p.j.isles@reading.ac.uk Phillip Isles pab@iqcl.co.uk Paul Burke Paddy@severnvu.demon.co.uk Patrick Francis pato@easynet.co.uk Pat O'Halloran paul@gumboot.demon.co.uk Paul A Williams paul@levante.demon.co.uk Paul Baker paul@topsy.demon.co.uk Paul Turvey paulgr@microsoft.com Paul Griffiths Paul_Griffiths@msn.com Paul Griffiths pbh@opentime.u-net.com Paul B Hutchings pcamra@dial.pipex.com Harry Morten peterdewhirst@dial.pipex.com PETER DEWHIRST peterh@readsoft.co.uk Peter Hill pherber@pherber.com Paul Herber phil@direct.ca Phil Cottrell phil@vision25.demon.co.uk Phil Hunt philip@tuksbury.foobar.co.uk Philip Tiplady pjclark@enterprise.net Phil Clark polovina@sbu.ac.uk Dr. Simon Polovina R.C.Dobson@newcastle.ac.uk Ruth Dobson rgt@mail.enterprise.net Roger Taylor richard.herring@gecm.com Richard Herring rick@stones.demon.co.uk Rick Stones rob4@aber.ac.uk ROBIN BURLS robert@colsterw.demon.co.uk Robert Winstanley rod@ellery.demon.co.uk Rod Ellery S.Harris@LQU.maff.gov.uk Stephen Harris sean@ocsltd.com Sean A Corfield Simon.Farrar@astro.cf.ac.uk Simon Farrar SMITHB@oldpaul.agw.bt.co.uk Smith, Barry stephen@blacksheep.org Stephen Purser steve.glover@ukonline.co.uk Steve Glover steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk Steven Pampling steve@rowantrees.demon.co.uk Steve Hartland susan@ashton.demon.co.uk SUSAN ASHTON swestby@innotts.co.uk Steve Westby sweynh@wester-voy.compulink.co.uk SWEYN HUNTER telecom@dircon.co.uk Steve Ellwood tim@willets.demon.co.uk Tim Willets timothy.moss@ncl.ac.uk Timothy Moss tom@mairtom.demon.co.uk Tom Barrance tonyh-mountain@mail.u-net.net Tony Henley tyger@corcoran.demon.co.uk Ty Corcoran wadeb@kbss.bt.co.uk Tex Bennett WHITAKER@cabi.msm.cgnet.com Karen Whitaker Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ alaric@harlech.demon.co.uk Iain D. Bowen ashok@poboxes.com Ashok Katwala david.rhodes@pharmacology.oxford.ac.uk David Rhodes jshumphries@globalnet.co.uk John S Humphries mike@emgee.demon.co.uk mike. nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk Nick Maclaren paul@pcserv.demon.co.uk Paul Carpenter sean@mesklin.demon.co.uk Sean Desmond simon@star-one.org.uk Simon Gray stub@boxatrix.demon.co.uk Stuart Baldwin tfl@psp.co.uk T Lee troddis@acorn.co.uk Timothy Roddis u4d14@cc.keele.ac.uk Julian White uk.food+drink.real-ale creation Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ gerbil@gadget.wg.icl.co.uk Kevin Davies Ack Bounced -- Steven Inglis Independent Votetaker Uk-Voting Voting@bcde.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------