01 Jan 1998: Creating hierarchy charter for uk.misc.*
From: Stephen JF Beckwith <me@steves.org.uk>
Date: 1 Jan 1998 19:46:10 -0000
Subject: RESULT: Creating hierarchy charter for uk.misc.*
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce,uk.misc
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Creating hierarchy charter for uk.misc.*
Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 26th December 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party member of
UK-VOTING. UK-VOTING is a group of independent votetakers who count
votes on CFV's in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is
taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at
the following URL:
ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Any allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.
For voting questions only contact me@steves.org.uk (SJF Beckwith).
For questions about the proposed new newsgroups contact the proposer at
simon@star-one.org.uk (Simon Gray)
DISTRIBUTION:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.misc
RESULTS:
71 valid votes were recieved (Details can be found below).
3 invalid votes were recieved (Details can be found below).
Vote 1
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"Proposal C" wins by a majority of 14 over the next most preferred
option.
Proposal A = 18
Proposal B = 13
Proposal C = 34
ROD/SQ = 5
Abstain = 1
Eliminate "Abstain" and "ROD/SQ" and redistribute, gives
Proposal A = 18
Proposal B = 15
Proposal C = 36
Eliminate "Proposal B" and redistribute, gives
Proposal A = 26
Proposal C = 40
Vote 2
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"Yes" wins over "No" by a majority of 39.
Yes = 51
No = 12
Abstain = 6
Although, as Proposal C won the first vote, the second vote doesn't
need applying.
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SUMMARY:
As a result of initial discussion 3 different texts have been prepared,
with the text to be used to be determined by vote.
RATIONALE:
This is a modified version of an rfd which was first referred to control
for publication on September 8 1997 after the first announcement of the
result of the uk.misc.query+answer newsgroup. It was not published at
that time as a result of an objection being lodged, however present
circumstances dictate now as being a good time to publish.
*PLEASE NOTE* that this is *not* a charter for the newsgroup uk.misc -
that group shall remain, as a result of *this* rfd a Group Without
Charter - any attempt to formalise a charter for that group will have to
be done as part of a separate rfd.
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PROPOSAL A:
Charter
uk.misc.* is a hierarchy for groups whose charters specifically permit
discussions on multiple topics, possibly overlapping with those of
groups placed in the more focussed parts of the uk.* namespace.
Note that it is *not* a hierarchy for newsgroups with single subjects
that simply don't fit into any of the other current hierarchies - in
these instances, it may be more appropriate to consider a different
focus for the group, or even to create a new hierarchy for it to fit
into. Indeed, in many cases where the subject of a potential group
spans more than one existing hierarchy it may be better to create 2
groups instead.
Please note that this is *not* a charter for the newsgroup uk.misc
PROPOSAL B
Charter:
The uk.misc.* hierarchy exists for newsgroups which would not fit
reasonably well under a more specific uk.hierarchy.
Please note that this is *not* a charter for the newsgroup uk.misc
PROPOSAL C
Charter:
No groups shall be created under uk.misc.*
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Valid Votes
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Name & Email _________Vote 1_________===Vote 2===
A B C ROD Abs Yes No Abs
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Alex D. Baxter, a,baxter{'at'}ic,ac,uk
- - 1 - - 1 - -
Alan Fleming, af{'at'}contract,co,uk
- - 2 1 3 1 - -
Aidan Alexander Folkes, af6715{'at'}bristol,ac,uk
1 3 2 - - 1 - -
Alex Ray, ajtr2{'at'}cam,ac,uk
1 2 5 3 4 - - 1
alien, alien{'at'}alien8,demon,co,uk
- - 1 - - 1 - -
Andy Mabbett, amabbett{'at'}bham-assist,demon,co,uk
- - 1 - - 1 - -
Bazza, bazzas{'at'}btinternet,com
- - 1 - - 1 - -
James Bellaire, bellaire{'at'}iquest,net
2 3 1 5 4 1 - -
Ben Hutchings, benjamin,hutchings{'at'}worcester,oxford,ac,uk
1 - 2 - - 1 - -
Claire Speed, c,speed{'at'}mcc,ac,uk
3 4 1 2 - 1 - -
Charles Bryant, ch{'at'}chch,demon,co,uk
- - 1 - - - - -
James Lawson, chasm{'at'}ccl4,org
1 2 - 3 - 1 - -
Charles Lindsey, chl{'at'}clw,cs,man,ac,uk
1 3 2 4 - - 1 -
Charles Philpott, chp{'at'}flms,demon,co,uk
2 - 1 3 4 1 - -
Chris M. Dickson, chris{'at'}dickson,demon,co,uk
1 2 5 3 4 - 1 -
Christopher Watkins, christopher{'at'}uffa,demon,co,uk
- - 1 - - - - -
Chris Livsey, cjl{'at'}ocrixon,demon,co,uk
- - 1 - - 1 - -
Chris Newport, crn{'at'}netix,org,uk
2 1 - - - - 1 -
Dave Budd, D,Budd{'at'}mcc,ac,uk
3 2 1 4 5 1 - -
David Damerell, damerell{'at'}chiark,greenend,org,uk
1 2 4 3 - 1 - -
Darren Meldrum, darren{'at'}meldrum,co,uk
3 4 1 2 - 1 - -
David Spencer, dave{'at'}dsds,demon,co,uk
- - 1 2 3 1 - -
Dave Mayall, david,mayall{'at'}ukonline,co,uk
2 3 1 - - 1 - -
David M Bloor, david{'at'}bloor,demon,co,uk
- 1 - - - - 1 -
David Jones, djones{'at'}borve,demon,co,uk
- 1 - - - - 1 -
Duncan Dewar, duncan{'at'}dewar,softnet,co,uk
1 4 3 2 - 1 - -
Fred Barber, fredb{'at'}frolix8,demon,co,uk
4 3 1 2 - 1 - -
G Francis, gfrancis{'at'}doradus,u-net,com
1 2 4 3 - 1 - -
Hugh Davies, huge{'at'}axalotl,demon,co,uk
3 2 1 - - 1 - -
Iain Hotchkies, iain{'at'}hotch,demon,co,uk
- - 1 - - 1 - -
Iain A F Fleming, iainf{'at'}threel,co,uk
- - 1 2 - 1 - -
James Farrar, james,farrar{'at'}ic,ac,uk
3 2 - 1 - 1 - -
Jeff Davies, jeff{'at'}taygeta,demon,co,uk
1 2 - - - 1 - -
Jim Hill, jim{'at'}jh-c,demon,co,uk
- - 1 2 - 1 - -
John Hall, john{'at'}jhall,demon,co,uk
2 1 4 3 5 1 - -
John Robinson, john{'at'}thebeard,demon,co,uk
4 5 1 2 3 1 - -
jon ivar skullerud, jonivar{'at'}ph,ed,ac,uk
3 5 2 1 4 1 - -
Dr John Stockton, jrs{'at'}merlyn,demon,co,uk
2 1 5 3 4 1 - -
John Wright, jsw{'at'}isise,rl,ac,uk
2 1 4 3 - - - 1
Chris Keen, kris{'at'}aimless,demon,co,uk
5 3 1 2 4 1 - -
Lyn David Thomas, lyn{'at'}stuffing,demon,co,uk
3 1 2 - 1 - -
Martin Biddiscombe, M,Biddiscombe{'at'}ucl,ac,uk
2 5 1 3 4 1 - -
Mark Goodge, mark{'at'}good-stuff,co,uk
1 2 3 4 5 1 - -
Mark Etherington, mark{'at'}roxley,demon,co,uk
2 1 4 3 5 - 1 -
Max Bone, maxb{'at'}maxmax,demon,co,uk
- - 1 - - - 1 -
Malcolm Mladenovic, mbm{'at'}acm,org
- - - - 1 - 1
Michael Parry, michael{'at'}unicorn-connection,co,uk
1 2 3 - - - 1 -
Mike Pitt, mikepitt{'at'}chiark,greenend,org,uk
3 2 1 5 4 1 - -
Neil Fernandez, ncf{'at'}borve,demon,co,uk
- 1 - - - - 1 -
Neil Irving, neil{'at'}neilirving,demon,co,uk
- - 1 2 - 1 - -
Andrew Norman, nja{'at'}le,ac,uk
- - 1 - - 1 - -
David Roberts, oss108{'at'}sos,bangor,ac,uk
2 3 1 - - 1 - -
Paul Carpenter, paul{'at'}pcserv,demon,co,uk
1 2 4 3 - 1 - -
Paul Bolchover, pb10003{'at'}cus,cam,ac,uk
4 2 3 1 5 - 1 -
Philip Clark, pjclark{'at'}enterprise,net
1 2 3 - - - 1 -
Pete Humble, pjh1{'at'}le,ac,uk
5 1 4 2 3 1 - -
Paul L. Allen, pla{'at'}sktb,demon,co,uk
- - 1 2 - 1 - -
Richard Letts, richard{'at'}illuin,demon,co,uk
- - 1 2 - 1 - -
Richard Lamont, richard{'at'}stonix,demon,co,uk
2 1 - 3 - - 1 -
Richard Clayton, richard{'at'}turnpike,com
- - 1 2 3 1 - -
Richard, rjk{'at'}greenend,org,uk
3 1 2 - - - - 1
Rod Begbie, rod{'at'}null,net
- - - 1 - - - 1
Roy Stilling, rpjs{'at'}kalevala,demon,co,uk
- - 1 - - 1 - -
Simon Bonnick, simon{'at'}nuts,demon,co,uk
1 - - - - 1 - -
Simon Gray, simon{'at'}star-one,org,uk
2 - 1 - - 1 - -
Stephen Gower, sjg{'at'}k2,stcatz,ox,ac,uk
5 1 2 3 4 1 - -
Steve Lewin, slewin{'at'}zetnet,co,uk
1 5 2 3 4 1 - -
S.W.F. Borthwick, swfb{'at'}bokop,win-uk,net
2 5 1 3 4 1 - -
Rob Felton, swinny{'at'}cix,co,uk
1 - 2 3 4 - - 1
Nick Upson, upson{'at'}cableol,co,uk
2 1 3 4 - 1 - -
Tony Towers, wibble{'at'}fishblanket,demon,co,uk
1 - 2 3 - 1 - -
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Invalid Votes
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Real name: Daren Chandisingh, voted from "friday@nospam.demon.co.uk" -
The domain "nospam.demon.co.uk" is an illegal domain for voting purposes
- - Implicit Ack bounce, therefore the vote was ignored.
Real name: Rob Alexander, voted from "robnews@nospam.demon.co.uk" - The
domain "nospam.demon.co.uk" is an illegal domain for voting purposes -
Implicit Ack bounce, therefore the vote was ignored.
Real name: Thomas Lee, voted from "tfl@nospam.demon.co.uk" - The domain
"nospam.demon.co.uk" is an illegal domain for voting purposes - Implicit
Ack bounce, therefore the vote was ignored.
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Votetakers Moan
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#1
Despite a repeated warning that the domain "nospam.demon.co.uk" is
invalid for voting purposes, I still received votes From: there. Two
from Mr Lee in fact. The second vote had a note attached pointing out
the fact that the first was also from "nospam.dcu".
#2
Further ballots officiated by myself will require voters to fill in
the section "Your Real Name:" and "Your Email Address:"
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SJF Beckwith, me@steves.org.uk
Deputy Co-ordinator and Votetaker, UK-VOTING
UK-VOTING web pages are at http://www.harlech.demon.co.uk/ukvoting.htm
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"It would also be great to have my computer built into my skull.
That way I could surf the Net during useless periods of life,
such as when people talk to me."
-Scott Adams, "The Dilbert Future"
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