From: Stephen JF Beckwith Subject: RESULT: Creating hierarchy charter for uk.misc.* Date: 1 Jan 1998 19:46:10 -0000 Message-ID: Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce,uk.misc -------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Creating hierarchy charter for uk.misc.* Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 26th December 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party member of UK-VOTING. UK-VOTING is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFV's in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Any allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. For voting questions only contact me@steves.org.uk (SJF Beckwith). For questions about the proposed new newsgroups contact the proposer at simon@star-one.org.uk (Simon Gray) DISTRIBUTION: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.misc RESULTS: 71 valid votes were recieved (Details can be found below). 3 invalid votes were recieved (Details can be found below). Vote 1 ====== "Proposal C" wins by a majority of 14 over the next most preferred option. Proposal A = 18 Proposal B = 13 Proposal C = 34 ROD/SQ = 5 Abstain = 1 Eliminate "Abstain" and "ROD/SQ" and redistribute, gives Proposal A = 18 Proposal B = 15 Proposal C = 36 Eliminate "Proposal B" and redistribute, gives Proposal A = 26 Proposal C = 40 Vote 2 ====== "Yes" wins over "No" by a majority of 39. Yes = 51 No = 12 Abstain = 6 Although, as Proposal C won the first vote, the second vote doesn't need applying. ======================================================================== SUMMARY: As a result of initial discussion 3 different texts have been prepared, with the text to be used to be determined by vote. RATIONALE: This is a modified version of an rfd which was first referred to control for publication on September 8 1997 after the first announcement of the result of the uk.misc.query+answer newsgroup. It was not published at that time as a result of an objection being lodged, however present circumstances dictate now as being a good time to publish. *PLEASE NOTE* that this is *not* a charter for the newsgroup uk.misc - that group shall remain, as a result of *this* rfd a Group Without Charter - any attempt to formalise a charter for that group will have to be done as part of a separate rfd. ======================================================================== PROPOSAL A: Charter uk.misc.* is a hierarchy for groups whose charters specifically permit discussions on multiple topics, possibly overlapping with those of groups placed in the more focussed parts of the uk.* namespace. Note that it is *not* a hierarchy for newsgroups with single subjects that simply don't fit into any of the other current hierarchies - in these instances, it may be more appropriate to consider a different focus for the group, or even to create a new hierarchy for it to fit into. Indeed, in many cases where the subject of a potential group spans more than one existing hierarchy it may be better to create 2 groups instead. Please note that this is *not* a charter for the newsgroup uk.misc PROPOSAL B Charter: The uk.misc.* hierarchy exists for newsgroups which would not fit reasonably well under a more specific uk.hierarchy. Please note that this is *not* a charter for the newsgroup uk.misc PROPOSAL C Charter: No groups shall be created under uk.misc.* ======================================================================== Valid Votes =========== Name & Email _________Vote 1_________===Vote 2=== A B C ROD Abs Yes No Abs ________________________________________________________________________ Alex D. Baxter, a,baxter{'at'}ic,ac,uk - - 1 - - 1 - - Alan Fleming, af{'at'}contract,co,uk - - 2 1 3 1 - - Aidan Alexander Folkes, af6715{'at'}bristol,ac,uk 1 3 2 - - 1 - - Alex Ray, ajtr2{'at'}cam,ac,uk 1 2 5 3 4 - - 1 alien, alien{'at'}alien8,demon,co,uk - - 1 - - 1 - - Andy Mabbett, amabbett{'at'}bham-assist,demon,co,uk - - 1 - - 1 - - Bazza, bazzas{'at'}btinternet,com - - 1 - - 1 - - James Bellaire, bellaire{'at'}iquest,net 2 3 1 5 4 1 - - Ben Hutchings, benjamin,hutchings{'at'}worcester,oxford,ac,uk 1 - 2 - - 1 - - Claire Speed, c,speed{'at'}mcc,ac,uk 3 4 1 2 - 1 - - Charles Bryant, ch{'at'}chch,demon,co,uk - - 1 - - - - - James Lawson, chasm{'at'}ccl4,org 1 2 - 3 - 1 - - Charles Lindsey, chl{'at'}clw,cs,man,ac,uk 1 3 2 4 - - 1 - Charles Philpott, chp{'at'}flms,demon,co,uk 2 - 1 3 4 1 - - Chris M. Dickson, chris{'at'}dickson,demon,co,uk 1 2 5 3 4 - 1 - Christopher Watkins, christopher{'at'}uffa,demon,co,uk - - 1 - - - - - Chris Livsey, cjl{'at'}ocrixon,demon,co,uk - - 1 - - 1 - - Chris Newport, crn{'at'}netix,org,uk 2 1 - - - - 1 - Dave Budd, D,Budd{'at'}mcc,ac,uk 3 2 1 4 5 1 - - David Damerell, damerell{'at'}chiark,greenend,org,uk 1 2 4 3 - 1 - - Darren Meldrum, darren{'at'}meldrum,co,uk 3 4 1 2 - 1 - - David Spencer, dave{'at'}dsds,demon,co,uk - - 1 2 3 1 - - Dave Mayall, david,mayall{'at'}ukonline,co,uk 2 3 1 - - 1 - - David M Bloor, david{'at'}bloor,demon,co,uk - 1 - - - - 1 - David Jones, djones{'at'}borve,demon,co,uk - 1 - - - - 1 - Duncan Dewar, duncan{'at'}dewar,softnet,co,uk 1 4 3 2 - 1 - - Fred Barber, fredb{'at'}frolix8,demon,co,uk 4 3 1 2 - 1 - - G Francis, gfrancis{'at'}doradus,u-net,com 1 2 4 3 - 1 - - Hugh Davies, huge{'at'}axalotl,demon,co,uk 3 2 1 - - 1 - - Iain Hotchkies, iain{'at'}hotch,demon,co,uk - - 1 - - 1 - - Iain A F Fleming, iainf{'at'}threel,co,uk - - 1 2 - 1 - - James Farrar, james,farrar{'at'}ic,ac,uk 3 2 - 1 - 1 - - Jeff Davies, jeff{'at'}taygeta,demon,co,uk 1 2 - - - 1 - - Jim Hill, jim{'at'}jh-c,demon,co,uk - - 1 2 - 1 - - John Hall, john{'at'}jhall,demon,co,uk 2 1 4 3 5 1 - - John Robinson, john{'at'}thebeard,demon,co,uk 4 5 1 2 3 1 - - jon ivar skullerud, jonivar{'at'}ph,ed,ac,uk 3 5 2 1 4 1 - - Dr John Stockton, jrs{'at'}merlyn,demon,co,uk 2 1 5 3 4 1 - - John Wright, jsw{'at'}isise,rl,ac,uk 2 1 4 3 - - - 1 Chris Keen, kris{'at'}aimless,demon,co,uk 5 3 1 2 4 1 - - Lyn David Thomas, lyn{'at'}stuffing,demon,co,uk 3 1 2 - 1 - - Martin Biddiscombe, M,Biddiscombe{'at'}ucl,ac,uk 2 5 1 3 4 1 - - Mark Goodge, mark{'at'}good-stuff,co,uk 1 2 3 4 5 1 - - Mark Etherington, mark{'at'}roxley,demon,co,uk 2 1 4 3 5 - 1 - Max Bone, maxb{'at'}maxmax,demon,co,uk - - 1 - - - 1 - Malcolm Mladenovic, mbm{'at'}acm,org - - - - 1 - 1 Michael Parry, michael{'at'}unicorn-connection,co,uk 1 2 3 - - - 1 - Mike Pitt, mikepitt{'at'}chiark,greenend,org,uk 3 2 1 5 4 1 - - Neil Fernandez, ncf{'at'}borve,demon,co,uk - 1 - - - - 1 - Neil Irving, neil{'at'}neilirving,demon,co,uk - - 1 2 - 1 - - Andrew Norman, nja{'at'}le,ac,uk - - 1 - - 1 - - David Roberts, oss108{'at'}sos,bangor,ac,uk 2 3 1 - - 1 - - Paul Carpenter, paul{'at'}pcserv,demon,co,uk 1 2 4 3 - 1 - - Paul Bolchover, pb10003{'at'}cus,cam,ac,uk 4 2 3 1 5 - 1 - Philip Clark, pjclark{'at'}enterprise,net 1 2 3 - - - 1 - Pete Humble, pjh1{'at'}le,ac,uk 5 1 4 2 3 1 - - Paul L. Allen, pla{'at'}sktb,demon,co,uk - - 1 2 - 1 - - Richard Letts, richard{'at'}illuin,demon,co,uk - - 1 2 - 1 - - Richard Lamont, richard{'at'}stonix,demon,co,uk 2 1 - 3 - - 1 - Richard Clayton, richard{'at'}turnpike,com - - 1 2 3 1 - - Richard, rjk{'at'}greenend,org,uk 3 1 2 - - - - 1 Rod Begbie, rod{'at'}null,net - - - 1 - - - 1 Roy Stilling, rpjs{'at'}kalevala,demon,co,uk - - 1 - - 1 - - Simon Bonnick, simon{'at'}nuts,demon,co,uk 1 - - - - 1 - - Simon Gray, simon{'at'}star-one,org,uk 2 - 1 - - 1 - - Stephen Gower, sjg{'at'}k2,stcatz,ox,ac,uk 5 1 2 3 4 1 - - Steve Lewin, slewin{'at'}zetnet,co,uk 1 5 2 3 4 1 - - S.W.F. Borthwick, swfb{'at'}bokop,win-uk,net 2 5 1 3 4 1 - - Rob Felton, swinny{'at'}cix,co,uk 1 - 2 3 4 - - 1 Nick Upson, upson{'at'}cableol,co,uk 2 1 3 4 - 1 - - Tony Towers, wibble{'at'}fishblanket,demon,co,uk 1 - 2 3 - 1 - - ====================================================================== Invalid Votes ============= Real name: Daren Chandisingh, voted from "friday@nospam.demon.co.uk" - The domain "nospam.demon.co.uk" is an illegal domain for voting purposes - - Implicit Ack bounce, therefore the vote was ignored. Real name: Rob Alexander, voted from "robnews@nospam.demon.co.uk" - The domain "nospam.demon.co.uk" is an illegal domain for voting purposes - Implicit Ack bounce, therefore the vote was ignored. Real name: Thomas Lee, voted from "tfl@nospam.demon.co.uk" - The domain "nospam.demon.co.uk" is an illegal domain for voting purposes - Implicit Ack bounce, therefore the vote was ignored. ====================================================================== Votetakers Moan =============== #1 Despite a repeated warning that the domain "nospam.demon.co.uk" is invalid for voting purposes, I still received votes From: there. Two from Mr Lee in fact. The second vote had a note attached pointing out the fact that the first was also from "nospam.dcu". #2 Further ballots officiated by myself will require voters to fill in the section "Your Real Name:" and "Your Email Address:" - -- SJF Beckwith, me@steves.org.uk Deputy Co-ordinator and Votetaker, UK-VOTING UK-VOTING web pages are at http://www.harlech.demon.co.uk/ukvoting.htm - -- "It would also be great to have my computer built into my skull. 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