28 Jul 1998: uk.adverts.holidays
RESULT - Creation of new newsgroup uk.adverts.holidays PASSES 15:3
Author: Jon Ribbens
Forums: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.adverts.other
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES
Summary: Creation of new newsgroup uk.adverts.holidays PASSES 15:3
Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 15 Jul 1998.
Proponent: firstname.lastname@example.org (Edward McLean)
Votetaker: email@example.com (Jon Ribbens)
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.adverts.other
YES beat NO by a majority of 12 votes, this is equal to the +12
majority required to beat the status quo.
The results follow below, with the Rationale and Charter beneath them
for informational purposes.
Votes YES to the new newsgroup - total: 15
frogmore6_demon_co_uk: Colin Colin Price
bigfoot_com: alexdawson Alex Dawson
rmplc_net: ddunford David Dunford
mcg-gsy_demon_co_uk: fran fran McGuinness
calmeilles_demon_co_uk: matthew Matthew Malthouse
enterprise_net: philwade Phil Wade
waverider_co_uk: pmailkee Mike Paley
dial_pipex_com: quillman Julian Curtis
pixel-group_com: rick.martin Rick Martin
tisl_co_uk: rob Rob Herbert
ecs_soton_ac_uk: tmf Tim Forcer
tagman_demon_co_uk: tony Tony Evans
cableol_co_uk: upson Nick Upson
erle_org: vote Tobias Erle
valdena_demon_co_uk: voting AST
Voted NO to the new newsgroup - total: 3
chiark_greenend_org_uk: ijackson Ian Jackson
obeah_demon_co_uk: james James Coupe
turnpike_com: richard Richard Clayton
ABSTAINED from voting - total: 4
cam_ac_uk: ajtr2 Alex Ray
bham-assist_demon_co_uk: amabbett Andy Mabbett
ccl4_org: chasm jAmES Lawson
star-one_org_uk: simon Simon Gray
<uk.adverts.holidays>, a newsgroup creating a medium for British
individuals based in the UK or elsewhere, to offer activity
holidays to the UK market. This is not intended for the large
package holiday providers.
There are many thousands of people offering accommodation both in
the UK and abroad (France, Spain, Italy, etc.) plus activities of
interest to a wide and a special interest audience. Examples are:
horseback riding, tennis, fishing, painting, swimming, on/off road
bicycling, horse racing, film/cultural festivals, cooking schools,
language schools, local cultural/historic tours, etc.
For these small businesses it is very difficult to access the
marketplace and at an affordable cost. The appropriate advertising
media; general or special interest publications, newspapers (local
& national) are very expensive, periodic and not very effective in
reaching the potential clientele.
All too often, the advertising expenditure necessary to generate
custom, uses up most or all of the potential profit margin, thus
making the activity unviable or marginal at best.
This type of enterprise is often run by retired, semi-retired or
redundant middle-aged persons looking to create a livelihood out
of a home or holiday home along with a hobby or a professional
interest. Examples could be a language school in a country home
with accommodation, horseback riding with lessons in a vacation
home, etc. Having a newsgroup for this type of venture enables
them to access a much wider market quickly and cost effectively.
It allows people to find a holiday that is something special,
different and that offers activities they already practice or
are interested in but have never tried.
None of the existing newsgroups appear appropriate.
Examples: these do not cover the subject
uk.adverts.holidays Adverts for non-package holidays
This newsgroup provides a medium to bring together people looking
for non-package activity holidays, based in the UK or abroad,
together with enterprises who have the venues, structure and
organisation to fill this need.
Binaries are not permitted on this group, however references to
FTP-able material and Web URL's are welcomed.
Short (less than 20 lines) announcements of activities/events with
amenities relevant to readers are permitted; blatant off-topic or
commercial advertising (eg: large package holiday companies) is
There will be no moderator for this newsgroup.
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