02 Nov 1998: uk.local.borders-region

From: alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk (Alan Ford)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:24:18 GMT
Subject: Results: uk.local.borders-region PASSES 78:15
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.local.geordie,uk.local.nw-england,scot.general



Creation of new newsgroup uk.local.borders-region PASSES 78:15

[Ballot ID: ULBR01]

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, Wednesday 28 October 1998

Proponant: colquhoun.mob@zetnet.co.uk (Heather Colquhoun)
Votetaker: alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk (Alan Ford)

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These results have been posted to:

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Voting Summary:

Creation of new newsgroup:
uk.local.borders-region  The Scottish Borders

The Rationale and Charter follow the main results for informational 

YES     = 78
NO      = 15

There were a total of 95 valid votes. YES beat NO by a majority of 63.
This is above the majority of 12 that is required for a vote to pass. 
There were 2 abstentions. There were 2 invalid votes.

There will be a five day discussion period after these results have 
been posted before the group is created to allow for any allegations 
of irregularities to be raised.

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Votetaker's Comments:

This vote caused several problems with vote fraud being committed by 
the posting of the CFV to groups that the RFD was not posted to. The 
offending article was soon cancelled, however, and it was decided to 
continue with the vote. The trend of voting has been fairly constant.

This is only the second time that a uk.local.* group has gone to the 
vote stage. There was a significantly larger turnout in this vote!

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The Results in Full:

[Ordered alphabetically by email address]

Those Who Voted YES (Total: 78)
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Alan Fleming               af#contract.co.uk
Alex D. Baxter             alex#oenone.demon.co.uk
Mike Alexander             alexanm#netcomuk.co.uk
Andy Mabbett               amabbett#bham-assist.demon.co.uk
Devi Jankowicz             anima#devi.demon.co.uk
Arwel Parry                arwel#cartref.demon.co.uk
Babz Runcie                babz#clara.net
Barry Smith                bazzas#btinternet.com
Bill Donald                bdonald#nortel.ca
Geoff Berrow               black-dog#geocities.com
Bob Carter                 bob#bc.scotborders.co.uk
Mark Brown                 broonie#tardis.ed.ac.uk
Calum I Mac Leod           calum#bordernet.co.uk
Charles Lindsey            chl#clw.cs.man.ac.uk
Dave Sparks                D.J.Sparks#sisyphus.demon.co.uk
David Damerell             damerell#chiark.greenend.org.uk
Daniel Toye                daniel.toye#cableol.co.uk
Dave Mayall                david.mayall#ukonline.co.uk
Denis Fuller               denis#chf.softnet.co.uk
Dick Craven                dick#rcraven.demon.co.uk
Duncan Dewar               duncan#brandane.demon.co.uk
Fran McGuinness            fran#mcg-gsy.demon.co.uk
Derek Hodge                gha#edinburgh.almac.co.uk
Hugh Simmons               hugh#st-ronan.demon.co.uk
Iain Dobie                 iain#pegusus.freeserve.co.uk
Iain Rae                   iainr#civ.hw.ac.uk
Ian Johnston               Ian.Johnston#university-college.oxford.ac.uk
Ian Jelf                   ian#bluebadge.demon.co.uk
Ian Peattie                ian#johnrich.demon.co.uk
Ian Dinsdale               iand#legend.co.uk
John Maddock               J.Maddock#ed.ac.uk
JACQUES HANKIN             jacques#thecroft.demon.co.uk
James Farrar               james.farrar#ic.ac.uk
James Coupe                james#obeah.demon.co.uk
Jason Waghorn              jason#ullscarf.demon.co.uk
J.Lewis                    jeff#rhondda.demon.co.uk
Jim Hill                   jim#jh-c.demon.co.uk
Joe Hakeney                joe#kinchyle.karoo.co.uk
John Mason                 John.Mason#ed.ac.uk
John Humphries             john#humphries.co.uk
John Grey                  john#thegreys.demon.co.uk
Dr John Stockton           jrs#merlyn.demon.co.uk
John Wright                jsw22#rl.ac.uk
Stephen Baird              kali63#newcastle.crosswinds.net
Kevin Duggan               KDuggan321#aol.com
Mark Goodge                mark#good-stuff.co.uk
Mark Woods                 markwoods#scotexport.org.uk
Nick Massingham            massingham#theoffice.net
Malcolm Mladenovic         mbm#acm.org
John Harris                mikeharris1#mailexcite.com
Calum MacLeod              mmacle#scri.sari.ac.uk
JTC Murphy                 murph#cix.co.uk
Norman Mackenzie           norman.mackenzie#virgin.net
Neil P Chue Hong           npch#tardis.ed.ac.uk
Paul Bolchover             pb10003#cus.cam.ac.uk
Pete Murphy                pete#ento.demon.co.uk
Peter Parry                peter#wppltd.demon.co.uk
Peter Langdale             peterl#doska.i-way.co.uk
Phil Britton               phil#paule.demon.co.uk
Philip Powell              philip#blencathra.demon.co.uk
Mike Paley                 pmailkee#waverider.co.uk
Richard Ashton             richard#corixia.demon.co.uk
Richard Fairbairn          richard#fairbairn1.demon.co.uk
Richard Daniells           richdan#pncl.co.uk
Robbie Irvine              robbie#arakeen.demon.co.uk
Rod Begbie                 rod#begbie.com
simon gray                 simon#star-one.org.uk
Sheila Irvine              sirvine#globalnet.co.uk
SJFBeckwith                sjfb#cirra.com
Steven Brown               stemar#netcomuk.co.uk
Steve Ellwood              steve.ellwood#telecom.dircon.co.uk
Steve Minto                stevie#creamy.demon.co.uk
Stuart Baldwin             stuart#boxatrix.demon.co.uk
S.W.F. Borthwick           swfb#bokop.win-uk.net
Ailsa Tomany               tomany#ibm.net
Tony Towers                tony#fishblanket.demon.co.uk
tobias erle                vote#kholdan.snafu.de
Paul Womar                 Vote#pwomar.demon.co.uk

Those Who Voted NO (Total: 15)
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Anne Jackson               amygdala#zetnet.co.uk
Barrie Black               barrie#kingsmuirangus.softnet.co.uk
Bill Potter                bpotter#mediaone.net
Calum Davidson             calum.bis#agora.org
Chris Cooke                cc+ulbrvote#dcs.ed.ac.uk
Charles Ellson             charles#ellson.demon.co.uk
Charles McGregor           chic.m#zetnet.co.uk
Craig Cockburn             craig#scot.demon.co.uk
David Marsh                drmarsh#bigfoot.com
Karl Stephen               etav07#holyrood.ed.ac.uk
Darren Rees                merlin#cvnet.co.uk
Peter Geddes               pgeddes#zetnet.co.uk
Ron Pople                  ron#pople.freeserve.co.uk
Simon Brooke               simon#jasmine.org.uk
Alex Holden                votes#alexh.claranet.co.uk

Those Who ABSTAINed (Total: 2)
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Alex Ray                   ajtr2#cam.ac.uk
Anthony R. Gold            tgold#panix.com

Invalid Votes                                              Reason
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Steven Craig               stevie#tincat.demon.co.uk         [1]
Timothy N Nurse            rtnn#usa.net                      [2]

[1] Name and address missing from ballot paper
[2] Acknowledgement bounced (550 User not known)

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The creation of a UK-wide newsgroup uk.local.borders-region

Newsgroups line:
uk.local.borders-region The Scottish Borders

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Whilst there are existing discussion groups covering the neighbouring 
areas to the south (uk.local.nw-england & uk.local.geordie) they are 
both too far to be local to the Scottish Borders and there is no other 
corresponding group to cover the Scottish Borders Region.
The Scottish Borders is a distinct cultural and geographical region, 
with it's own identity.

Several points were brought up during the RFD stage. These have been 
addressed as follows:

uk.local.borders-region does not belong in the uk*hierarchy but 
should be in the scot*hierachy. The Scottish Borders whilst 
in Scotland are also in the UK.
The debate for and against advertising: Whilst advertising can be a 
problem, especially in groups that cover industrial areas and have a 
high commercial appeal, a complete ban appears to be harsh. Groups 
seem to work well with both previous options that I have used for 
advertising, but this area might need something unique to compromise.

Cross-Posting: This seems to be settled at only five groups, four of 
which can be uk*
What area should be covered by this group: The area was amended in 
the last RFD, any Places omitted that neighbour this area are free 
to use this group until such times that they have their own more 
suitable, although the group is open to anyone who has an interest
in the area, for whatever reason.

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CHARTER: uk.local.borders-region

Newsgroups line:
uk.local.borders-region The Scottish Borders

uk.local.borders-region is for the discussion of issues relating to 
the Scottish Borders, which comprise of The Burghs of Selkirkshire, 
Roxburghshire, Ettrick & Lauderdale, Berwickshire, Pebbleshire and 
Berwick as it neighbour so closely.
Contributions are welcome from people who:
Live, study, work or have an interest in the area, culture, history, 
sport and attractions of or plan to visit the Borders.

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Advertising is forbidden except for:
Suppliers of Scottish Borders relevant goods and services may post a 
pointer to their website or an invitation to request details.
This may not exceed four lines and can only be posted no more often 
than once every three months. The subject line should read "AD" or 
Participants in discussions may include references to their Scottish 
Borders related business in their .sig.
Announcements of community events or other information that is of 
direct relevance to the people of the Scottish Borders are most welcome.
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Cross posting should be limited to five newsgroups, only four of 
which may be in uk*.
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All posts must be in plain text; HTML and other types of formatted 
text are forbidden.
Posting URLs of relevant Internet sites, where appropriate, is 
With the explicit exception of PGP signatures, all encoded binaries 
are forbidden.
Forbidden binaries include, but are not limited to: pictures, sounds, 
word processor documents executable programs and "business cards".

You are invited to read a guide on the World Wide Web at
For further information on how to configure your newsreader to post 
to uk* newsgroups.
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Anyone posting advertisements, binaries or other material contrary to 
this charter may be reported to their ISP or postmaster.

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in the uk hierarchy.  The rules under which this vote is taken are
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There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.  Allegations of irregularity should be sent to

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