From: alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk (Alan Ford) Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.local.geordie,uk.local.nw-england,scot.general Subject: Results: uk.local.borders-region PASSES 78:15 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:24:18 GMT Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Creation of new newsgroup uk.local.borders-region PASSES 78:15 [Ballot ID: ULBR01] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, Wednesday 28 October 1998 Proponant: colquhoun.mob@zetnet.co.uk (Heather Colquhoun) Votetaker: alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk (Alan Ford) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Distribution: These results have been posted to: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.local.geordie uk.local.nw-england scot.general - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting Summary: Creation of new newsgroup: uk.local.borders-region The Scottish Borders The Rationale and Charter follow the main results for informational purposes. YES = 78 NO = 15 ABSTAIN = 2 There were a total of 95 valid votes. YES beat NO by a majority of 63. This is above the majority of 12 that is required for a vote to pass. There were 2 abstentions. There were 2 invalid votes. There will be a five day discussion period after these results have been posted before the group is created to allow for any allegations of irregularities to be raised. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Votetaker's Comments: This vote caused several problems with vote fraud being committed by the posting of the CFV to groups that the RFD was not posted to. The offending article was soon cancelled, however, and it was decided to continue with the vote. The trend of voting has been fairly constant. This is only the second time that a uk.local.* group has gone to the vote stage. There was a significantly larger turnout in this vote! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Results in Full: [Ordered alphabetically by email address] Those Who Voted YES (Total: 78) - ------------------- Alan Fleming af#contract.co.uk Alex D. Baxter alex#oenone.demon.co.uk Mike Alexander alexanm#netcomuk.co.uk Andy Mabbett amabbett#bham-assist.demon.co.uk Devi Jankowicz anima#devi.demon.co.uk Arwel Parry arwel#cartref.demon.co.uk Babz Runcie babz#clara.net Barry Smith bazzas#btinternet.com Bill Donald bdonald#nortel.ca Geoff Berrow black-dog#geocities.com Bob Carter bob#bc.scotborders.co.uk Mark Brown broonie#tardis.ed.ac.uk Calum I Mac Leod calum#bordernet.co.uk Charles Lindsey chl#clw.cs.man.ac.uk Dave Sparks D.J.Sparks#sisyphus.demon.co.uk David Damerell damerell#chiark.greenend.org.uk Daniel Toye daniel.toye#cableol.co.uk Dave Mayall david.mayall#ukonline.co.uk Denis Fuller denis#chf.softnet.co.uk Dick Craven dick#rcraven.demon.co.uk Duncan Dewar duncan#brandane.demon.co.uk Fran McGuinness fran#mcg-gsy.demon.co.uk Derek Hodge gha#edinburgh.almac.co.uk Hugh Simmons hugh#st-ronan.demon.co.uk Iain Dobie iain#pegusus.freeserve.co.uk Iain Rae iainr#civ.hw.ac.uk Ian Johnston Ian.Johnston#university-college.oxford.ac.uk Ian Jelf ian#bluebadge.demon.co.uk Ian Peattie ian#johnrich.demon.co.uk Ian Dinsdale iand#legend.co.uk John Maddock J.Maddock#ed.ac.uk JACQUES HANKIN jacques#thecroft.demon.co.uk James Farrar james.farrar#ic.ac.uk James Coupe james#obeah.demon.co.uk Jason Waghorn jason#ullscarf.demon.co.uk J.Lewis jeff#rhondda.demon.co.uk Jim Hill jim#jh-c.demon.co.uk Joe Hakeney joe#kinchyle.karoo.co.uk John Mason John.Mason#ed.ac.uk John Humphries john#humphries.co.uk John Grey john#thegreys.demon.co.uk Dr John Stockton jrs#merlyn.demon.co.uk John Wright jsw22#rl.ac.uk Stephen Baird kali63#newcastle.crosswinds.net Kevin Duggan KDuggan321#aol.com Mark Goodge mark#good-stuff.co.uk Mark Woods markwoods#scotexport.org.uk Nick Massingham massingham#theoffice.net Malcolm Mladenovic mbm#acm.org John Harris mikeharris1#mailexcite.com Calum MacLeod mmacle#scri.sari.ac.uk JTC Murphy murph#cix.co.uk Norman Mackenzie norman.mackenzie#virgin.net Neil P Chue Hong npch#tardis.ed.ac.uk Paul Bolchover pb10003#cus.cam.ac.uk Pete Murphy pete#ento.demon.co.uk Peter Parry peter#wppltd.demon.co.uk Peter Langdale peterl#doska.i-way.co.uk Phil Britton phil#paule.demon.co.uk Philip Powell philip#blencathra.demon.co.uk Mike Paley pmailkee#waverider.co.uk Richard Ashton richard#corixia.demon.co.uk Richard Fairbairn richard#fairbairn1.demon.co.uk Richard Daniells richdan#pncl.co.uk Robbie Irvine robbie#arakeen.demon.co.uk Rod Begbie rod#begbie.com simon gray simon#star-one.org.uk Sheila Irvine sirvine#globalnet.co.uk SJFBeckwith sjfb#cirra.com Steven Brown stemar#netcomuk.co.uk Steve Ellwood steve.ellwood#telecom.dircon.co.uk Steve Minto stevie#creamy.demon.co.uk Stuart Baldwin stuart#boxatrix.demon.co.uk S.W.F. Borthwick swfb#bokop.win-uk.net Ailsa Tomany tomany#ibm.net Tony Towers tony#fishblanket.demon.co.uk tobias erle vote#kholdan.snafu.de Paul Womar Vote#pwomar.demon.co.uk Those Who Voted NO (Total: 15) - ------------------ Anne Jackson amygdala#zetnet.co.uk Barrie Black barrie#kingsmuirangus.softnet.co.uk Bill Potter bpotter#mediaone.net Calum Davidson calum.bis#agora.org Chris Cooke cc+ulbrvote#dcs.ed.ac.uk Charles Ellson charles#ellson.demon.co.uk Charles McGregor chic.m#zetnet.co.uk Craig Cockburn craig#scot.demon.co.uk David Marsh drmarsh#bigfoot.com Karl Stephen etav07#holyrood.ed.ac.uk Darren Rees merlin#cvnet.co.uk Peter Geddes pgeddes#zetnet.co.uk Ron Pople ron#pople.freeserve.co.uk Simon Brooke simon#jasmine.org.uk Alex Holden votes#alexh.claranet.co.uk Those Who ABSTAINed (Total: 2) - ------------------- Alex Ray ajtr2#cam.ac.uk Anthony R. Gold tgold#panix.com Invalid Votes Reason - ------------- ------ Steven Craig stevie#tincat.demon.co.uk [1] Timothy N Nurse rtnn#usa.net [2] Reasons: [1] Name and address missing from ballot paper [2] Acknowledgement bounced (550 User not known) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary: The creation of a UK-wide newsgroup uk.local.borders-region Newsgroups line: uk.local.borders-region The Scottish Borders - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rationale: Whilst there are existing discussion groups covering the neighbouring areas to the south (uk.local.nw-england & uk.local.geordie) they are both too far to be local to the Scottish Borders and there is no other corresponding group to cover the Scottish Borders Region. The Scottish Borders is a distinct cultural and geographical region, with it's own identity. Several points were brought up during the RFD stage. These have been addressed as follows: uk.local.borders-region does not belong in the uk*hierarchy but should be in the scot*hierachy. The Scottish Borders whilst in Scotland are also in the UK. The debate for and against advertising: Whilst advertising can be a problem, especially in groups that cover industrial areas and have a high commercial appeal, a complete ban appears to be harsh. Groups seem to work well with both previous options that I have used for advertising, but this area might need something unique to compromise. Cross-Posting: This seems to be settled at only five groups, four of which can be uk* What area should be covered by this group: The area was amended in the last RFD, any Places omitted that neighbour this area are free to use this group until such times that they have their own more suitable, although the group is open to anyone who has an interest in the area, for whatever reason. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CHARTER: uk.local.borders-region Newsgroups line: uk.local.borders-region The Scottish Borders uk.local.borders-region is for the discussion of issues relating to the Scottish Borders, which comprise of The Burghs of Selkirkshire, Roxburghshire, Ettrick & Lauderdale, Berwickshire, Pebbleshire and Berwick as it neighbour so closely. Contributions are welcome from people who: Live, study, work or have an interest in the area, culture, history, sport and attractions of or plan to visit the Borders. Advertising: - ------------ Advertising is forbidden except for: Suppliers of Scottish Borders relevant goods and services may post a pointer to their website or an invitation to request details. This may not exceed four lines and can only be posted no more often than once every three months. The subject line should read "AD" or "ADVERT" Participants in discussions may include references to their Scottish Borders related business in their .sig. Announcements of community events or other information that is of direct relevance to the people of the Scottish Borders are most welcome. Cross-posting - ------------- Cross posting should be limited to five newsgroups, only four of which may be in uk*. Formats: - -------- All posts must be in plain text; HTML and other types of formatted text are forbidden. Posting URLs of relevant Internet sites, where appropriate, is encouraged. With the explicit exception of PGP signatures, all encoded binaries are forbidden. Forbidden binaries include, but are not limited to: pictures, sounds, word processor documents executable programs and "business cards". You are invited to read a guide on the World Wide Web at http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html For further information on how to configure your newsreader to post to uk* newsgroups. Warning: - -------- Anyone posting advertisements, binaries or other material contrary to this charter may be reported to their ISP or postmaster. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNj34wWOfGXkh8vHZAQG8+QQAmDwuq0ps0k1/+tsoOsgQKhJ/rLGtM9wv elQ9kd0Pu5yPLYRISlOUptw6UQcy0WpdbZlvmjLhcazdFIAiG1vhy8AZI/VCJ3aW /m5RYz1Wvajc66VmAt1V5pKcrYPWfVHl260S4Ew4T4KodY3BO+wCvKlFLhyegKrR EtCY0kxqGSA= =kkiP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Alan Ford Votetaker for UKVoting