03 Nov 1998: uk.education.students.aged*
From: Malcolm Mladenovic <voting@mort.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:19:48 GMT
Subject: RESULT: uk.education.students.agedn-m, both groups PASS
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.education.misc,uk.education.teachers,uk.education.schools-it
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES
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Summary: Creation of uk.education.students.* newsgroups
uk.education.students.aged7-11 PASSES 63:10
uk.education.students.aged11-14 PASSES 67:7
Hierarchy charter for uk.education.* is amended.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 23rd October, 1998
Proponent: G Nagel-Smith <ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk>
Votetaker: Malcolm Mladenovic <mbm@mort.demon.co.uk>
Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config
uk.education.misc uk.education.teachers uk.education.schools-it
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RESULTS
Proposal 1: Create new moderated group uk.education.students.aged7-11
Yes 63
No 10
Abstain 1
YES beat NO by a majority of 53 votes, which is more than the 12 majority
requred to beat the status quo.
Proposal 2: Create new moderated group uk.education.students.aged11-14
Yes 67
No 7
Abstain 0
YES beat NO by a majority of 60 votes, which is more than the 12 majority
requred to beat the status quo.
The hierarchy charter for uk.education.* is thereby amended.
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Ballots Received
7-11 11-14 Name Address
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Y Y CBravington CBravington.ballard.hants.sch.eaawa.uk
Y Y Imran Ghory ImranG.btinternet.rktd.com
Y Y McDonalds Kaz.billnkaz.bhl.demon.co.uk
A Y Maria Crockard Mcrockard.eij.ballard.sch.uk
Y Y Adrian Bradshaw adrian.pograt.dal.demon.co.uk
Y Y ajohnston ajohnston.ntp.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y amiddlemiss amiddlemiss.ballard.hants.sch.stagf.uk
N Y awood awood.ballard.hants.sch.eyrib.uk
Y Y AWragg awragg.dde.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y bcollins bcollins.ballard.hants.etsei.sch.uk
Y Y becca becca.peapod.bra.com
Y Y Bob Minter bob.tvpee.bminter.demon.co.uk
Y Y bthurston bthurston.ballard.hants.ilt.sch.uk
N N Carrie carrie.borve.ause.demon.co.uk
Y Y Cglover cglover.tifr.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y C.HOOPER chooper.ballard.hants.nauib.sch.uk
Y Y cmorris cmorris.ballard.hants.sch.wtw.uk
Y Y CPillinger cpillinger.kfn.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y C.TOMS ctoms.lpe.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y Charlie Wood cwood.ballard.lnai.hants.sch.uk
N N Dave Mayall david.esdt.mayall.ukonline.co.uk
Y Y Denis Fuller denis.chf.fwb.softnet.co.uk
N N David Jones djones.borve.ajbdy.demon.co.uk
Y Y Dogilvie dogilvie.ballard.anfpw.hants.sch.uk
Y Y dstorr dstorr.ballard.hants.sch.khf.uk
Y Y dtaylor dtaylor.ballard.hants.sch.ndgs.uk
N N Doug Weller dweller.vhd.ramtops.demon.co.uk
Y Y EStockdale estockdale.bahed.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y ewilkinson ewilkinson.ballard.yigfd.hants.sch.uk
Y Y Fburrows fburrows.ballard.ksk.hants.sch.uk
Y Y F.Stidston fsidston.ballard.hants.sch.aivhe.uk
N Y gmusetti gmusetti.eise.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y G. Nagel-Smith gns.ballard.erejd.hants.sch.uk
Y Y hedwards hedwards.ballard.hants.sch.ness.uk
Y Y HSimmons hsimmons.ballard.hants.fghcb.sch.uk
Y Y IBURREY iburrey.ballard.astb.hants.sch.uk
Y Y J.clark jclark.ballard.leh.hants.sch.uk
N Y jhare jhare.ballard.hants.sch.poi.uk
Y Y jwaldron jwaldron.fokmi.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y ktizzard ktizzard.ballard.gok.hants.sch.uk
Y Y L Sevier lsevier.ballard.hants.ncipw.sch.uk
Y Y mcraven mcraven.Ballard.hkfnt.hants.sch.uk
Y Y Darren Rees merlin.mufss.netlink.co.uk
Y Y metchells metchells.ballard.hants.fevo.sch.uk
Y Y Mlongman mlongman.ballard.gua.hants.sch.uk
Y Y MOszmann moszmann.dnec.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y MToms mtoms.ballard.hants.sch.lih.uk
Y Y mwilton mwilton.nbyl.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y PArgyle pargyle.ballard.hbepg.hants.sch.uk
N N Paul Bolchover pb10003.rkrp.cus.cam.ac.uk
Y Y Rob Poole poolerh.epmls.aston.ac.uk
Y Y Rappleby rappleby.ballard.hants.gaal.sch.uk
Y Y Richard Ashton richard.niea.corixia.demon.co.uk
Y Y Richard Fairbairn richard.djgl.fairbairn1.demon.co.uk
Y Y Richard Daniells richdan.fdlap.pncl.co.uk
Y Y RJeans rjeans.ballard.hants.hds.sch.uk
Y Y rmarsh rmarsh.ballard.imsid.hants.sch.uk
Y Y rmay rmay.ballard.spf.hants.sch.uk
Y Y Roger Hall roger.hall.virgin.yaigl.net
Y Y Ron Pople ron.tfp.pople.freeserve.co.uk
Y Y RSteveson rs.ballard.hants.sch.eei.uk
Y Y sbath sbath.ballard.oel.hants.sch.uk
Y Y S Dunnill sdunnill.ballardlake.wif.hants.sch.uk
Y Y SEDWARDS sedwards.ahc.ballard.hants.sch.uk
Y Y smacklin smacklin.ballard.hants.sch.dhrr.uk
Y Y S Playle splayle.ballard.hants.osont.sch.uk
Y Y SWhatley swhatley.ballard.hants.sch.eiywn.uk
Y Y TGreaves tgreaves.ballard.hants.pjp.sch.uk
Y Y Terry Smith tksmith.yawc.igg-tx.net
N N John Green u04jag.ficb.zetnet.co.uk
N N Charles Bryant ues.rsp.vote.ch.chch.demon.co.uk
Y Y tobias erle vote.kholdan.pfacf.snafu.de
Y Y whartwell whartwell.ballard.hants.sch.sekfw.uk
Y Y Allan {A}.beetlestone.wlsbn.demon.co.uk
Total Valid Ballots: 74
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Votetaker's Remarks
There were a lot of ballots from the proponents' school, but that was to
be expected. Voters (or their editing software) discovered a number of
new ways to mangle ballot papers. I had to hand-edit more ballots than
usual by hand to keep the counting software happy. [I much prefer not
to touch ballots if I can get the software to read them.]
Two ballots didn't include the name in the appropriate place on the
ballot paper. As per normal UK-VOTING procedures these ballots were
not counted. Two ballots had mis-spellings in the Email Address: fields
causing the acks to bounce. Again, these ballots were not counted.
One person sent in an empty email.
In none of the five cases above did the voter either attempt to contact
me or send in another ballot.
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Disallowed Votes
decordova.{a}.argonet.co.uk No name/address in ballot
simon.{a}.ds.co.uk No name/address in ballot
gmantle.{a}.ballard.hants.sch.uk Message body empty
bsandhu.{a}.ballard.hant.sch.uk Ack bounced
mark.{a}.good-stuf.co.uk Ack bounced
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Rationales and Charters from the CFV
Reason for CFV:
The 3rd RFD was available for discussion for more than 10 days and the
discussions seemed to have reached a natural end. We as the proponents
have endeavoured to answer all queries and feel that the current Charter
is acceptable to most posters to this discussion. A lot of the discussion
has surrounded the naming of the groups.
We prefer the uk.education.students.* option with the amendment to the
uk.education.* hierarchy charter. We would not be interested in moderating
a uk.people.* option so simple yes/no votes only are included.
Proposed change to the charter for uk.education.* hierarchy:
A hierarchy for all education issues and / or training issues and for the
teaching profession and students.
(the addition of 'and students' is the only change)
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CFV for moderated group: uk.education.students.aged7-11
One line summary: uk.education.students.aged7-11 Educational discussion
forum: 7-11 year olds
Rationale:
There is a need for a moderated newsgroup to allow children to discuss
school related topics and current affairs with their peers. At present
there are many newsgroups designed to help children establish penpals but
none that allow a more open discussion forum in a moderated newsgroup
environment.
The need for this group arises as teachers want their pupils to use this
aspect of the internet, along side emailing and web browsing, in a safe
environment. To achieve this the newsgroup will be moderated, the reasons
being to prevent adverts, binaries, offensive or inappropriate postings
and make sure children do not give our personal information about themselves
ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things. The initial
moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson, ICT teachers at the
Ballard Lake Prep School, Hants.
Charter:
This newsgroup exists as a discussion forum for children aged 7-11.
Postings may be made from home or school.
Contributions should be concise and practise good netiquette when quoting
other postings.
Posters should be prepared to back up their statements and contributions
with reasons for their thinking eg. 'I think ... because'. Threads may be
started by posters about current affairs or educational / education
related topics. 'General chat' (for example just saying hello to someone)
is not encouraged and may be moderated, most general chat is best conducted
via email or in a more appropriate newsgroup rather than here.
The newsgroup will also exist for teachers to enable pupils to learn how
to use newsgroups. Although this group is for children, adults who would
like to contribute regularly by starting discussions on relevant topics
and by helping discussions develop are encouraged to contact the moderators
to express their interests.
The educational value of the group is threefold:
1) learning how to use a newsgroup
2) learning how to put your opinion over to others
3) gaining knowledge / insight from reading other people's opinions /
statements
An FAQ or 'student friendly' charter/guidelines for posting will be
produced and posted regularly to the newsgroup.
Advertisements:
No advertisements of any description will be permitted.
Binaries:
All posts must be in plain text with the exception of
PGP signatures. HTML and other types of formatted text are not
permitted. No binaries are permitted but references to relevant
downloadable resources are acceptable.
Moderated:
Yes. The initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson (ICT
teachers ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk) and will seek to ensure no adverts,
binaries, offensive and inappropriate postings are included and to make
sure children do not give our personal information about themselves that
could be used against them (for example addresses, telephone numbers) ie.
to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things.
Submissions that are abusive, unnecessarily sexually graphic (although the
discussion of genuine sex education issues is welcome), sexist (not
included to be politically correct but to protect children from unpleasant
comments relating to gender), racist, violent, libellous (or possibly
libellous), contain swearing or deemed inappropriate for the majority
of children of that age group, will be subject to moderation. Notes may
be added to postings by the moderators to encourage postings or threads
to stay within the charter.
Proponents:
G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk
_______________________________________________________
CFV for moderated group: uk.education.students.aged11-14
One line summary: uk.education.students.aged11-14 Educational discussion
forum: 11-14 year olds
Rationale:
There is a need for a moderated newsgroup to allow children to discuss
school related topics and current affairs with their peers. At present
there are many newsgroups designed to help children establish penpals but
none that allow a more open discussion forum in a moderated newsgroup
environment.
The need for this group arises as teachers want their pupils to use this
aspect of the internet, along side emailing and web browsing, in a safe
environment. To achieve this the newsgroup will be moderated, the reasons
being to prevent adverts, binaries, offensive or inappropriate postings
and make sure children do not give our personal information about themselves
ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things. The initial
moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson, ICT teachers at the
Ballard Lake Prep School, Hants.
Charter:
This newsgroup exists as a discussion forum for children aged 11-14.
Postings may be made from home or school.
Contributions should be concise and practise good netiquette when quoting
other postings.
Posters should be prepared to back up their statements and contributions
with reasons for their thinking eg. 'I think ... because'. Threads may be
started by posters about current affairs or educational / education related
topics. 'General chat' (for example just saying hello to someone) is not
encouraged and may be moderated, most general chat is best conducted via
email or in a more appropriate newsgroup rather than here.
The newsgroup will also exist for teachers to enable pupils to learn how
to use newsgroups. Although this group is for children, adults who would
like to contribute regularly by starting discussions on relevant topics
and by helping discussions develop are encouraged to contact the moderators
to express their interests.
The educational value of the group is threefold:
1) learning how to use a newsgroup
2) learning how to put your opinion over to others
3) gaining knowledge / insight from reading other people's opinions /
statements
An FAQ or 'student friendly' charter/guidelines for posting will be
produced and posted regularly to the newsgroup.
Advertisements:
No advertisements of any description will be permitted.
Binaries:
All posts must be in plain text with the exception of
PGP signatures. HTML and other types of formatted text are not
permitted. No binaries are permitted but references to relevant
downloadable resources are acceptable.
Moderated:
Yes the initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson (ICT
teachers ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk) and will seek to ensure no adverts,
binaries, offensive and inappropriate postings are included and to make
sure children do not give our personal information about themselves that
could be used against them (for example addresses, telephone numbers) ie.
to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things.
Submissions that are abusive, unnecessarily sexually graphic (although the
discussion of genuine sex education issues is welcome), sexist (not
included to be politically correct but to protect children from unpleasant
comments relating to gender), racist, violent, libellous (or possibly
libellous), contain swearing or deemed inappropriate for the majority
of children of that age group, will be subject to moderation. Notes may
be added to postings by the moderators to encourage postings or threads
to stay within the charter.
Proponents:
G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk
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