From: Malcolm Mladenovic Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.education.misc,uk.education.teachers,uk.education.schools-it Subject: RESULT: uk.education.students.agedn-m, both groups PASS Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:19:48 GMT Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES ======================== Summary: Creation of uk.education.students.* newsgroups uk.education.students.aged7-11 PASSES 63:10 uk.education.students.aged11-14 PASSES 67:7 Hierarchy charter for uk.education.* is amended. Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 23rd October, 1998 Proponent: G Nagel-Smith Votetaker: Malcolm Mladenovic Distribution: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.education.misc uk.education.teachers uk.education.schools-it ====================================================================== RESULTS Proposal 1: Create new moderated group uk.education.students.aged7-11 Yes 63 No 10 Abstain 1 YES beat NO by a majority of 53 votes, which is more than the 12 majority requred to beat the status quo. Proposal 2: Create new moderated group uk.education.students.aged11-14 Yes 67 No 7 Abstain 0 YES beat NO by a majority of 60 votes, which is more than the 12 majority requred to beat the status quo. The hierarchy charter for uk.education.* is thereby amended. ====================================================================== Ballots Received 7-11 11-14 Name Address ====================================================================== Y Y CBravington CBravington.ballard.hants.sch.eaawa.uk Y Y Imran Ghory ImranG.btinternet.rktd.com Y Y McDonalds Kaz.billnkaz.bhl.demon.co.uk A Y Maria Crockard Mcrockard.eij.ballard.sch.uk Y Y Adrian Bradshaw adrian.pograt.dal.demon.co.uk Y Y ajohnston ajohnston.ntp.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y amiddlemiss amiddlemiss.ballard.hants.sch.stagf.uk N Y awood awood.ballard.hants.sch.eyrib.uk Y Y AWragg awragg.dde.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y bcollins bcollins.ballard.hants.etsei.sch.uk Y Y becca becca.peapod.bra.com Y Y Bob Minter bob.tvpee.bminter.demon.co.uk Y Y bthurston bthurston.ballard.hants.ilt.sch.uk N N Carrie carrie.borve.ause.demon.co.uk Y Y Cglover cglover.tifr.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y C.HOOPER chooper.ballard.hants.nauib.sch.uk Y Y cmorris cmorris.ballard.hants.sch.wtw.uk Y Y CPillinger cpillinger.kfn.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y C.TOMS ctoms.lpe.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y Charlie Wood cwood.ballard.lnai.hants.sch.uk N N Dave Mayall david.esdt.mayall.ukonline.co.uk Y Y Denis Fuller denis.chf.fwb.softnet.co.uk N N David Jones djones.borve.ajbdy.demon.co.uk Y Y Dogilvie dogilvie.ballard.anfpw.hants.sch.uk Y Y dstorr dstorr.ballard.hants.sch.khf.uk Y Y dtaylor dtaylor.ballard.hants.sch.ndgs.uk N N Doug Weller dweller.vhd.ramtops.demon.co.uk Y Y EStockdale estockdale.bahed.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y ewilkinson ewilkinson.ballard.yigfd.hants.sch.uk Y Y Fburrows fburrows.ballard.ksk.hants.sch.uk Y Y F.Stidston fsidston.ballard.hants.sch.aivhe.uk N Y gmusetti gmusetti.eise.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y G. Nagel-Smith gns.ballard.erejd.hants.sch.uk Y Y hedwards hedwards.ballard.hants.sch.ness.uk Y Y HSimmons hsimmons.ballard.hants.fghcb.sch.uk Y Y IBURREY iburrey.ballard.astb.hants.sch.uk Y Y J.clark jclark.ballard.leh.hants.sch.uk N Y jhare jhare.ballard.hants.sch.poi.uk Y Y jwaldron jwaldron.fokmi.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y ktizzard ktizzard.ballard.gok.hants.sch.uk Y Y L Sevier lsevier.ballard.hants.ncipw.sch.uk Y Y mcraven mcraven.Ballard.hkfnt.hants.sch.uk Y Y Darren Rees merlin.mufss.netlink.co.uk Y Y metchells metchells.ballard.hants.fevo.sch.uk Y Y Mlongman mlongman.ballard.gua.hants.sch.uk Y Y MOszmann moszmann.dnec.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y MToms mtoms.ballard.hants.sch.lih.uk Y Y mwilton mwilton.nbyl.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y PArgyle pargyle.ballard.hbepg.hants.sch.uk N N Paul Bolchover pb10003.rkrp.cus.cam.ac.uk Y Y Rob Poole poolerh.epmls.aston.ac.uk Y Y Rappleby rappleby.ballard.hants.gaal.sch.uk Y Y Richard Ashton richard.niea.corixia.demon.co.uk Y Y Richard Fairbairn richard.djgl.fairbairn1.demon.co.uk Y Y Richard Daniells richdan.fdlap.pncl.co.uk Y Y RJeans rjeans.ballard.hants.hds.sch.uk Y Y rmarsh rmarsh.ballard.imsid.hants.sch.uk Y Y rmay rmay.ballard.spf.hants.sch.uk Y Y Roger Hall roger.hall.virgin.yaigl.net Y Y Ron Pople ron.tfp.pople.freeserve.co.uk Y Y RSteveson rs.ballard.hants.sch.eei.uk Y Y sbath sbath.ballard.oel.hants.sch.uk Y Y S Dunnill sdunnill.ballardlake.wif.hants.sch.uk Y Y SEDWARDS sedwards.ahc.ballard.hants.sch.uk Y Y smacklin smacklin.ballard.hants.sch.dhrr.uk Y Y S Playle splayle.ballard.hants.osont.sch.uk Y Y SWhatley swhatley.ballard.hants.sch.eiywn.uk Y Y TGreaves tgreaves.ballard.hants.pjp.sch.uk Y Y Terry Smith tksmith.yawc.igg-tx.net N N John Green u04jag.ficb.zetnet.co.uk N N Charles Bryant ues.rsp.vote.ch.chch.demon.co.uk Y Y tobias erle vote.kholdan.pfacf.snafu.de Y Y whartwell whartwell.ballard.hants.sch.sekfw.uk Y Y Allan {A}.beetlestone.wlsbn.demon.co.uk Total Valid Ballots: 74 ====================================================================== Votetaker's Remarks There were a lot of ballots from the proponents' school, but that was to be expected. Voters (or their editing software) discovered a number of new ways to mangle ballot papers. I had to hand-edit more ballots than usual by hand to keep the counting software happy. [I much prefer not to touch ballots if I can get the software to read them.] Two ballots didn't include the name in the appropriate place on the ballot paper. As per normal UK-VOTING procedures these ballots were not counted. Two ballots had mis-spellings in the Email Address: fields causing the acks to bounce. Again, these ballots were not counted. One person sent in an empty email. In none of the five cases above did the voter either attempt to contact me or send in another ballot. ====================================================================== Disallowed Votes decordova.{a}.argonet.co.uk No name/address in ballot simon.{a}.ds.co.uk No name/address in ballot gmantle.{a}.ballard.hants.sch.uk Message body empty bsandhu.{a}.ballard.hant.sch.uk Ack bounced mark.{a}.good-stuf.co.uk Ack bounced ====================================================================== Rationales and Charters from the CFV Reason for CFV: The 3rd RFD was available for discussion for more than 10 days and the discussions seemed to have reached a natural end. We as the proponents have endeavoured to answer all queries and feel that the current Charter is acceptable to most posters to this discussion. A lot of the discussion has surrounded the naming of the groups. We prefer the uk.education.students.* option with the amendment to the uk.education.* hierarchy charter. We would not be interested in moderating a uk.people.* option so simple yes/no votes only are included. Proposed change to the charter for uk.education.* hierarchy: A hierarchy for all education issues and / or training issues and for the teaching profession and students. (the addition of 'and students' is the only change) ________________________________________________ CFV for moderated group: uk.education.students.aged7-11 One line summary: uk.education.students.aged7-11 Educational discussion forum: 7-11 year olds Rationale: There is a need for a moderated newsgroup to allow children to discuss school related topics and current affairs with their peers. At present there are many newsgroups designed to help children establish penpals but none that allow a more open discussion forum in a moderated newsgroup environment. The need for this group arises as teachers want their pupils to use this aspect of the internet, along side emailing and web browsing, in a safe environment. To achieve this the newsgroup will be moderated, the reasons being to prevent adverts, binaries, offensive or inappropriate postings and make sure children do not give our personal information about themselves ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things. The initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson, ICT teachers at the Ballard Lake Prep School, Hants. Charter: This newsgroup exists as a discussion forum for children aged 7-11. Postings may be made from home or school. Contributions should be concise and practise good netiquette when quoting other postings. Posters should be prepared to back up their statements and contributions with reasons for their thinking eg. 'I think ... because'. Threads may be started by posters about current affairs or educational / education related topics. 'General chat' (for example just saying hello to someone) is not encouraged and may be moderated, most general chat is best conducted via email or in a more appropriate newsgroup rather than here. The newsgroup will also exist for teachers to enable pupils to learn how to use newsgroups. Although this group is for children, adults who would like to contribute regularly by starting discussions on relevant topics and by helping discussions develop are encouraged to contact the moderators to express their interests. The educational value of the group is threefold: 1) learning how to use a newsgroup 2) learning how to put your opinion over to others 3) gaining knowledge / insight from reading other people's opinions / statements An FAQ or 'student friendly' charter/guidelines for posting will be produced and posted regularly to the newsgroup. Advertisements: No advertisements of any description will be permitted. Binaries: All posts must be in plain text with the exception of PGP signatures. HTML and other types of formatted text are not permitted. No binaries are permitted but references to relevant downloadable resources are acceptable. Moderated: Yes. The initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson (ICT teachers ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk) and will seek to ensure no adverts, binaries, offensive and inappropriate postings are included and to make sure children do not give our personal information about themselves that could be used against them (for example addresses, telephone numbers) ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things. Submissions that are abusive, unnecessarily sexually graphic (although the discussion of genuine sex education issues is welcome), sexist (not included to be politically correct but to protect children from unpleasant comments relating to gender), racist, violent, libellous (or possibly libellous), contain swearing or deemed inappropriate for the majority of children of that age group, will be subject to moderation. Notes may be added to postings by the moderators to encourage postings or threads to stay within the charter. Proponents: G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk _______________________________________________________ CFV for moderated group: uk.education.students.aged11-14 One line summary: uk.education.students.aged11-14 Educational discussion forum: 11-14 year olds Rationale: There is a need for a moderated newsgroup to allow children to discuss school related topics and current affairs with their peers. At present there are many newsgroups designed to help children establish penpals but none that allow a more open discussion forum in a moderated newsgroup environment. The need for this group arises as teachers want their pupils to use this aspect of the internet, along side emailing and web browsing, in a safe environment. To achieve this the newsgroup will be moderated, the reasons being to prevent adverts, binaries, offensive or inappropriate postings and make sure children do not give our personal information about themselves ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things. The initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson, ICT teachers at the Ballard Lake Prep School, Hants. Charter: This newsgroup exists as a discussion forum for children aged 11-14. Postings may be made from home or school. Contributions should be concise and practise good netiquette when quoting other postings. Posters should be prepared to back up their statements and contributions with reasons for their thinking eg. 'I think ... because'. Threads may be started by posters about current affairs or educational / education related topics. 'General chat' (for example just saying hello to someone) is not encouraged and may be moderated, most general chat is best conducted via email or in a more appropriate newsgroup rather than here. The newsgroup will also exist for teachers to enable pupils to learn how to use newsgroups. Although this group is for children, adults who would like to contribute regularly by starting discussions on relevant topics and by helping discussions develop are encouraged to contact the moderators to express their interests. The educational value of the group is threefold: 1) learning how to use a newsgroup 2) learning how to put your opinion over to others 3) gaining knowledge / insight from reading other people's opinions / statements An FAQ or 'student friendly' charter/guidelines for posting will be produced and posted regularly to the newsgroup. Advertisements: No advertisements of any description will be permitted. Binaries: All posts must be in plain text with the exception of PGP signatures. HTML and other types of formatted text are not permitted. No binaries are permitted but references to relevant downloadable resources are acceptable. Moderated: Yes the initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson (ICT teachers ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk) and will seek to ensure no adverts, binaries, offensive and inappropriate postings are included and to make sure children do not give our personal information about themselves that could be used against them (for example addresses, telephone numbers) ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things. Submissions that are abusive, unnecessarily sexually graphic (although the discussion of genuine sex education issues is welcome), sexist (not included to be politically correct but to protect children from unpleasant comments relating to gender), racist, violent, libellous (or possibly libellous), contain swearing or deemed inappropriate for the majority of children of that age group, will be subject to moderation. Notes may be added to postings by the moderators to encourage postings or threads to stay within the charter. Proponents: G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk ====================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNj9JL2OfGXkh8vHZAQE32AP9HmVnCz3CgzN3qUxzllP+y1KWOiLgLw09 kMHto9YdJJZnngYvDZwdYxEJYZe7M3mpMXWB1pIVX2RxS8ksYEiP9S4QROQTIHUu tuHQUe4c3fazsWpMBVHRYWBrldSBXnBAdIDrHWljEDhiF+B/wdyJkhxWBds33ihg XmLdym0aAC8= =ucwt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Malcolm Mladenovic - Volunteer Votetaker, UK-VOTING. voting@mort.demon.co.uk please use mbm@acm.org for personal mail UK-VOTING web pages are at http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/ voting@mort.demon.co.uk PGP key: http://www.mort.demon.co.uk/pgp/voting.asc