21 Dec 1998: uk.education.students.agedn-m
From: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: 21 Dec 1998 20:13:07 -0000
Subject: RESULT: uk.education.students.agedn-m
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.education.misc,uk.education.teachers,uk.education.schools-it
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES
Summary: Creation of uk.education.students.aged7-11
Creation of uk.education.students.aged11-14
Charter change uk.education hierarchy
PROPOSAL - Creation of uk.education.students.aged7-11 PASSES 53:20
Creation of uk.education.students.aged11-14 PASSES 53:19
Both groups pass, therefore the hierarchy charter is modified as
indicated.
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 16th December 1998.
Proponent: G Nagel-Smith <ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk>
Votetaker: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
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Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.education.misc
uk.education.teachers, uk.education.schools-it
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The Results:
The results follow below, with the rationale and charter from the last
Request for Discussion beneath them for informational purposes.
PROPOSAL - Creation of uk.education.students.aged7-11
YES : 53 : 70.7%
NO : 20 : 26.6%
ABSTAIN : 2 : 2.7%
Total : 75 : 100.0%
YES beat NO by a majority of 33 votes. For group passage, YES votes
must be the majority of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also
be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the group has passed.
PROPOSAL - Creation of uk.education.students.aged11-14
YES : 53 : 70.7%
NO : 19 : 25.3%
ABSTAIN : 3 : 4.0%
Total : 75 : 100.0%
YES beat NO by a majority of 34 votes. For group passage, YES votes
must be the majority of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also
be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the group has passed.
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uk.education.students.agedn-m Final Vote Ack
uk.education.students.aged11-14 ----+
uk.education.students.aged7-11 ---+|
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adrian.pograt.demon.co.ku (Adrian Bradshaw) YY
af.contract.co.ku (Alan Fleming) NN
ahiggs.ballard.hants.sch.ku (ahiggs) YY
alex.dawson.uea.ac.ku (Alex Dawson) NN
amabbett.bham-assist.demon.co.ku (Andy Mabbett) AA
amiddlemiss.ballard.hants.sch.ku (amiddlemiss) YY
andrew.egplc.demon.co.ku (Andrew Pattle) YY
bellaire.iquest.net (James Bellaire) NN
billyboy.gto.net.om (Bill Davies) NN
black-dog.geocities.moc (Blade Runner) YY
bnorthwood.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Ben Northwood) YY
bthurston.ballard.hants.sch.ku (bthurston) YY
chl.clw.cs.man.ac.ku (Charles Lindsey) YY
chris.dickson.demon.co.ku (Chris M. Dickson) YY
cnovelli.ballard.hants.sch.ku (c novelli) YY
cpillinger.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Charles Pillinger) YY
craig.scot.demon.co.ku (Craig Cockburn) NN
csanders.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Chris Sanders) YY
cwillrich.ballard.hants.sch.ku (C Willrich) YY
da.ballard.hants.sch.ku (D Argyle) YY
david.mayall.ukonline.co.ku (Dave Mayall) NN
deano.argonet.co.ku (Graham Dean) YA
denis.pickaxe.demon.co.ku (Denis McMahon) NN
dweller.ramtops.demon.co.ku (Doug Weller) NN
en.ballard.hants.sch.ku (E Nayler) YY
et.ballard.hants.sch.ku (E. Travis) YY
eward.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Emma Ward) YY
frank.roberts.zetnet.co.ku (Frank Roberts) YY
geoff.softease.co.ku (Geoff Titmuss) YY
gns.ballard.hants.sch.ku (G. Nagel-Smith) YY
graham.tyndale.demon.co.ku (Graham Nye) YY
gratcliffe.ballard.hants.sch.ku (George Ratcliffe) YY
guy.onelight.demon.co.ku (Guy Morgan) YY
hedwards.ballard.hants.sch.ku (hedwards) YY
ImranG.btinternet.moc (Imran Ghory) YY
james.farrar.ic.ac.ku (James Farrar) NN
james.obeah.demon.co.ku (James Coupe) NN
jim.jh-c.demon.co.ku (Jim Hill) YY
jo.orangenet.co.ku (Jo) YY
jrs.merlyn.demon.co.ku (Dr John Stockton) NN
jyoung.ballard.hants.sch.ku (J Young) YY
matthew.malthouse.guardian.co.ku (Matthew Malthouse) YY
mdec.ballard.hants.sch.ku (M de Castro) YY
mike.tw2.moc (Mike Henry) NN
miles_batchelor.bigfoot.moc (Batch) YY
ncf.borve.demon.co.ku (Neil Fernandez) NN
paul.glenside.demon.co.ku (Paul Worrall) YY
paul.smartart.demon.co.ku (Paul Hornshaw) YY
pb10003.cus.cam.ac.ku (Paul Bolchover) NN
penny.orangenet.co.ku (Penny Mayes) YY
peter.wppltd.demon.co.ku (Peter Parry) YY
pmailkee.waverider.co.ku (Mike Paley) NN
R.H.Poole.aston.ac.ku (Rob Poole) YY
rappleby.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Richard Appleby) YY
ray.tolman.freeserve.co.ku (Ray Ford) AY
rob.niedermaier-reed.demon.co.ku (Rob Niedermaier-Reed) YY
rs.ballard.hants.sch.ku (r stevenson) YY
sdunnill.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Sarah Dunnill) YY
simon.star-one.org.ku (Simon Gray) NN
slewin.iclretail.icl.moc (Steve Lewin) YY
sn.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Sue Norris) YY
steveclarke.easynet.co.ku (Steve Clarke) YY
susan.woodmoor.demon.co.ku (Susan) YY
tfl.psp.co.ku (tfl) YY
tim_jackson.bigfoot.moc (Tim Jackson) YY
tpayne.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Tom Payne) YY
tpeacop.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Teddy Peacop) YY
u04jag.zetnet.co.ku (John A. Green) NN
ues.vote.ch.chch.demon.co.ku (Charles Bryant) NN
ukvoting.stejonda.demon.co.ku (dave day) YY
vote.kholdan.snafu.de (Tobias Erle) YY
votes.alexh.claranet.co.ku (Alex Holden) NN
wr.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Wendy Roberts) YY
wry20.cai.cam.ac.ku (Ross Younger) NA
{A}.beetlestone.demon.co.ku (Allan Beetlestone) YY
Key:
Y = Yes, N = No, A = Abstain
Disalllowed Votes:
None
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Votetakers Comments:
Overall, the vote ran very smoothly with only a couple of minor problems
with people leaving their name off the ballot paper. These were,
however, fixed as they resubmitted their votes after receiving the ack
informing them of the problem. As expected, many of the votes came from
the proponents school.
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There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to
control@usenet.org.uk.
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Newsgroup lines:
uk.education.students.aged7-11 Educational discussion forum: 7-11 year
olds (Moderated)
uk.education.students.aged11-14 Educational discussion forum: 11-14 year
olds (Moderated)
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RATIONALE: all groups
There is a need for a moderated newsgroup to allow children to discuss
school related topics and current affairs with their peers. At present
there are many newsgroups designed to help children establish penpals
but none that allow a more open discussion forum in a moderated
newsgroup environment.
The need for this group arises as teachers want their pupils to use this
aspect of the internet, along side emailing and web browsing, in a safe
environment. To achieve this the newsgroup will be moderated, the
reasons being to prevent adverts, binaries, offensive or inappropriate
postings and make sure children do not give our personal information
about themselves ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to
discuss things. The initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R.
Stevenson, ICT teachers at the Ballard Lake Prep School, Hants.
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CHARTER: uk.education.students.aged7-11
This newsgroup exists as a discussion forum for children aged 7-11.
Postings may be made from home or school.
Contributions should be concise and practise good netiquette when
quoting other postings.
Posters should be prepared to back up their statements and contributions
with reasons for their thinking eg. 'I think ... because'. Threads may
be started by posters about current affairs or educational / education
related topics. 'General chat' (for example just saying hello to
someone) is not encouraged and may be moderated, most general chat is
best conducted via email or in a more appropriate newsgroup rather than
here.
The newsgroup will also exist for teachers to enable pupils to learn how
to use newsgroups. Although this group is for children, adults who
would like to contribute regularly by starting discussions on relevant
topics and by helping discussions develop are encouraged to contact the
moderators to express their interests.
The educational value of the group is threefold:
1) learning how to use a newsgroup
2) learning how to put your opinion over to others
3) gaining knowledge / insight from reading other people's opinions /
statements
An FAQ or 'student friendly' charter/guidelines for posting will be
produced and posted regularly to the newsgroup.
Advertisements:
No advertisements of any description will be permitted.
Binaries:
All posts must be in plain text with the exception of PGP signatures.
HTML and other types of formatted text are not permitted. No binaries
are permitted but references to relevant downloadable resources are
acceptable.
Moderation policies:
Yes. The initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson
(ICT teachers ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk) and will seek to ensure no
adverts, binaries, offensive and inappropriate postings are included and
to make sure children do not give our personal information about
themselves that could be used against them (for example addresses,
telephone numbers) ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to
discuss things.
Submissions that are abusive, unnecessarily sexually graphic (although
the discussion of genuine sex education issues is welcome), sexist (not
included to be politically correct but to protect children from
unpleasant comments relating to gender), racist, violent, libellous (or
possibly libellous), contain swearing or deemed inappropriate for the
majority of children of that age group, will be subject to moderation.
Notes may be added to postings by the moderators to encourage postings
or threads to stay within the charter.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: uk.education.students.aged7-11
Moderator: G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson <ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk>
END MODERATOR INFO.
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CHARTER: uk.education.students.aged11-14
This newsgroup exists as a discussion forum for children aged 11-14.
Postings may be made from home or school.
Contributions should be concise and practise good netiquette when
quoting other postings.
Posters should be prepared to back up their statements and contributions
with reasons for their thinking eg. 'I think ... because'. Threads may
be started by posters about current affairs or educational / education
related topics. 'General chat' (for example just saying hello to
someone) is not encouraged and may be moderated, most general chat is
best conducted via email or in a more appropriate newsgroup rather than
here.
The newsgroup will also exist for teachers to enable pupils to learn how
to use newsgroups. Although this group is for children, adults who
would like to contribute regularly by starting discussions on relevant
topics and by helping discussions develop are encouraged to contact the
moderators to express their interests.
The educational value of the group is threefold:
1) learning how to use a newsgroup
2) learning how to put your opinion over to others
3) gaining knowledge / insight from reading other people's opinions /
statements
An FAQ or 'student friendly' charter/guidelines for posting will be
produced and posted regularly to the newsgroup.
Advertisements:
No advertisements of any description will be permitted.
Binaries:
All posts must be in plain text with the exception of PGP signatures.
HTML and other types of formatted text are not permitted. No binaries
are permitted but references to relevant downloadable resources are
acceptable.
Moderation policies:
Yes the initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson (ICT
teachers ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk) and will seek to ensure no adverts,
binaries, offensive and inappropriate postings are included and to make
sure children do not give our personal information about themselves that
could be used against them (for example addresses, telephone numbers)
ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things.
Submissions that are abusive, unnecessarily sexually graphic (although
the discussion of genuine sex education issues is welcome), sexist (not
included to be politically correct but to protect children from
unpleasant comments relating to gender), racist, violent, libellous (or
possibly libellous), contain swearing or deemed inappropriate for the
majority of children of that age group, will be subject to moderation.
Notes may be added to postings by the moderators to encourage postings
or threads to stay within the charter.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: uk.education.students.aged11-14
Moderator: G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson <ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk>
END MODERATOR INFO.
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CHARTER: uk.education hierarchy
A hierarchy for all education issues and / or training issues and for
the teaching profession and students. (the addition of 'and students' is
the only change)
END CHARTER.
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