From: Barry Salter Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.education.misc,uk.education.teachers,uk.education.schools-it Subject: RESULT: uk.education.students.agedn-m Date: 21 Dec 1998 20:13:07 -0000 Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: Creation of uk.education.students.aged7-11 Creation of uk.education.students.aged11-14 Charter change uk.education hierarchy PROPOSAL - Creation of uk.education.students.aged7-11 PASSES 53:20 Creation of uk.education.students.aged11-14 PASSES 53:19 Both groups pass, therefore the hierarchy charter is modified as indicated. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 16th December 1998. Proponent: G Nagel-Smith Votetaker: Barry Salter - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.education.misc uk.education.teachers, uk.education.schools-it - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Results: The results follow below, with the rationale and charter from the last Request for Discussion beneath them for informational purposes. PROPOSAL - Creation of uk.education.students.aged7-11 YES : 53 : 70.7% NO : 20 : 26.6% ABSTAIN : 2 : 2.7% Total : 75 : 100.0% YES beat NO by a majority of 33 votes. For group passage, YES votes must be the majority of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the group has passed. PROPOSAL - Creation of uk.education.students.aged11-14 YES : 53 : 70.7% NO : 19 : 25.3% ABSTAIN : 3 : 4.0% Total : 75 : 100.0% YES beat NO by a majority of 34 votes. For group passage, YES votes must be the majority of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the group has passed. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- uk.education.students.agedn-m Final Vote Ack uk.education.students.aged11-14 ----+ uk.education.students.aged7-11 ---+| || adrian.pograt.demon.co.ku (Adrian Bradshaw) YY af.contract.co.ku (Alan Fleming) NN ahiggs.ballard.hants.sch.ku (ahiggs) YY alex.dawson.uea.ac.ku (Alex Dawson) NN amabbett.bham-assist.demon.co.ku (Andy Mabbett) AA amiddlemiss.ballard.hants.sch.ku (amiddlemiss) YY andrew.egplc.demon.co.ku (Andrew Pattle) YY bellaire.iquest.net (James Bellaire) NN billyboy.gto.net.om (Bill Davies) NN black-dog.geocities.moc (Blade Runner) YY bnorthwood.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Ben Northwood) YY bthurston.ballard.hants.sch.ku (bthurston) YY chl.clw.cs.man.ac.ku (Charles Lindsey) YY chris.dickson.demon.co.ku (Chris M. Dickson) YY cnovelli.ballard.hants.sch.ku (c novelli) YY cpillinger.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Charles Pillinger) YY craig.scot.demon.co.ku (Craig Cockburn) NN csanders.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Chris Sanders) YY cwillrich.ballard.hants.sch.ku (C Willrich) YY da.ballard.hants.sch.ku (D Argyle) YY david.mayall.ukonline.co.ku (Dave Mayall) NN deano.argonet.co.ku (Graham Dean) YA denis.pickaxe.demon.co.ku (Denis McMahon) NN dweller.ramtops.demon.co.ku (Doug Weller) NN en.ballard.hants.sch.ku (E Nayler) YY et.ballard.hants.sch.ku (E. Travis) YY eward.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Emma Ward) YY frank.roberts.zetnet.co.ku (Frank Roberts) YY geoff.softease.co.ku (Geoff Titmuss) YY gns.ballard.hants.sch.ku (G. Nagel-Smith) YY graham.tyndale.demon.co.ku (Graham Nye) YY gratcliffe.ballard.hants.sch.ku (George Ratcliffe) YY guy.onelight.demon.co.ku (Guy Morgan) YY hedwards.ballard.hants.sch.ku (hedwards) YY ImranG.btinternet.moc (Imran Ghory) YY james.farrar.ic.ac.ku (James Farrar) NN james.obeah.demon.co.ku (James Coupe) NN jim.jh-c.demon.co.ku (Jim Hill) YY jo.orangenet.co.ku (Jo) YY jrs.merlyn.demon.co.ku (Dr John Stockton) NN jyoung.ballard.hants.sch.ku (J Young) YY matthew.malthouse.guardian.co.ku (Matthew Malthouse) YY mdec.ballard.hants.sch.ku (M de Castro) YY mike.tw2.moc (Mike Henry) NN miles_batchelor.bigfoot.moc (Batch) YY ncf.borve.demon.co.ku (Neil Fernandez) NN paul.glenside.demon.co.ku (Paul Worrall) YY paul.smartart.demon.co.ku (Paul Hornshaw) YY pb10003.cus.cam.ac.ku (Paul Bolchover) NN penny.orangenet.co.ku (Penny Mayes) YY peter.wppltd.demon.co.ku (Peter Parry) YY pmailkee.waverider.co.ku (Mike Paley) NN R.H.Poole.aston.ac.ku (Rob Poole) YY rappleby.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Richard Appleby) YY ray.tolman.freeserve.co.ku (Ray Ford) AY rob.niedermaier-reed.demon.co.ku (Rob Niedermaier-Reed) YY rs.ballard.hants.sch.ku (r stevenson) YY sdunnill.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Sarah Dunnill) YY simon.star-one.org.ku (Simon Gray) NN slewin.iclretail.icl.moc (Steve Lewin) YY sn.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Sue Norris) YY steveclarke.easynet.co.ku (Steve Clarke) YY susan.woodmoor.demon.co.ku (Susan) YY tfl.psp.co.ku (tfl) YY tim_jackson.bigfoot.moc (Tim Jackson) YY tpayne.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Tom Payne) YY tpeacop.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Teddy Peacop) YY u04jag.zetnet.co.ku (John A. Green) NN ues.vote.ch.chch.demon.co.ku (Charles Bryant) NN ukvoting.stejonda.demon.co.ku (dave day) YY vote.kholdan.snafu.de (Tobias Erle) YY votes.alexh.claranet.co.ku (Alex Holden) NN wr.ballard.hants.sch.ku (Wendy Roberts) YY wry20.cai.cam.ac.ku (Ross Younger) NA {A}.beetlestone.demon.co.ku (Allan Beetlestone) YY Key: Y = Yes, N = No, A = Abstain Disalllowed Votes: None - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Votetakers Comments: Overall, the vote ran very smoothly with only a couple of minor problems with people leaving their name off the ballot paper. These were, however, fixed as they resubmitted their votes after receiving the ack informing them of the problem. As expected, many of the votes came from the proponents school. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting website can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup lines: uk.education.students.aged7-11 Educational discussion forum: 7-11 year olds (Moderated) uk.education.students.aged11-14 Educational discussion forum: 11-14 year olds (Moderated) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RATIONALE: all groups There is a need for a moderated newsgroup to allow children to discuss school related topics and current affairs with their peers. At present there are many newsgroups designed to help children establish penpals but none that allow a more open discussion forum in a moderated newsgroup environment. The need for this group arises as teachers want their pupils to use this aspect of the internet, along side emailing and web browsing, in a safe environment. To achieve this the newsgroup will be moderated, the reasons being to prevent adverts, binaries, offensive or inappropriate postings and make sure children do not give our personal information about themselves ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things. The initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson, ICT teachers at the Ballard Lake Prep School, Hants. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CHARTER: uk.education.students.aged7-11 This newsgroup exists as a discussion forum for children aged 7-11. Postings may be made from home or school. Contributions should be concise and practise good netiquette when quoting other postings. Posters should be prepared to back up their statements and contributions with reasons for their thinking eg. 'I think ... because'. Threads may be started by posters about current affairs or educational / education related topics. 'General chat' (for example just saying hello to someone) is not encouraged and may be moderated, most general chat is best conducted via email or in a more appropriate newsgroup rather than here. The newsgroup will also exist for teachers to enable pupils to learn how to use newsgroups. Although this group is for children, adults who would like to contribute regularly by starting discussions on relevant topics and by helping discussions develop are encouraged to contact the moderators to express their interests. The educational value of the group is threefold: 1) learning how to use a newsgroup 2) learning how to put your opinion over to others 3) gaining knowledge / insight from reading other people's opinions / statements An FAQ or 'student friendly' charter/guidelines for posting will be produced and posted regularly to the newsgroup. Advertisements: No advertisements of any description will be permitted. Binaries: All posts must be in plain text with the exception of PGP signatures. HTML and other types of formatted text are not permitted. No binaries are permitted but references to relevant downloadable resources are acceptable. Moderation policies: Yes. The initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson (ICT teachers ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk) and will seek to ensure no adverts, binaries, offensive and inappropriate postings are included and to make sure children do not give our personal information about themselves that could be used against them (for example addresses, telephone numbers) ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things. Submissions that are abusive, unnecessarily sexually graphic (although the discussion of genuine sex education issues is welcome), sexist (not included to be politically correct but to protect children from unpleasant comments relating to gender), racist, violent, libellous (or possibly libellous), contain swearing or deemed inappropriate for the majority of children of that age group, will be subject to moderation. Notes may be added to postings by the moderators to encourage postings or threads to stay within the charter. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: uk.education.students.aged7-11 Moderator: G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson END MODERATOR INFO. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CHARTER: uk.education.students.aged11-14 This newsgroup exists as a discussion forum for children aged 11-14. Postings may be made from home or school. Contributions should be concise and practise good netiquette when quoting other postings. Posters should be prepared to back up their statements and contributions with reasons for their thinking eg. 'I think ... because'. Threads may be started by posters about current affairs or educational / education related topics. 'General chat' (for example just saying hello to someone) is not encouraged and may be moderated, most general chat is best conducted via email or in a more appropriate newsgroup rather than here. The newsgroup will also exist for teachers to enable pupils to learn how to use newsgroups. Although this group is for children, adults who would like to contribute regularly by starting discussions on relevant topics and by helping discussions develop are encouraged to contact the moderators to express their interests. The educational value of the group is threefold: 1) learning how to use a newsgroup 2) learning how to put your opinion over to others 3) gaining knowledge / insight from reading other people's opinions / statements An FAQ or 'student friendly' charter/guidelines for posting will be produced and posted regularly to the newsgroup. Advertisements: No advertisements of any description will be permitted. Binaries: All posts must be in plain text with the exception of PGP signatures. HTML and other types of formatted text are not permitted. No binaries are permitted but references to relevant downloadable resources are acceptable. Moderation policies: Yes the initial moderators will be G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson (ICT teachers ict@ballard.hants.sch.uk) and will seek to ensure no adverts, binaries, offensive and inappropriate postings are included and to make sure children do not give our personal information about themselves that could be used against them (for example addresses, telephone numbers) ie. to provide a safe environment for pupils to discuss things. Submissions that are abusive, unnecessarily sexually graphic (although the discussion of genuine sex education issues is welcome), sexist (not included to be politically correct but to protect children from unpleasant comments relating to gender), racist, violent, libellous (or possibly libellous), contain swearing or deemed inappropriate for the majority of children of that age group, will be subject to moderation. Notes may be added to postings by the moderators to encourage postings or threads to stay within the charter. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: uk.education.students.aged11-14 Moderator: G. Nagel-Smith and R. Stevenson END MODERATOR INFO. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CHARTER: uk.education hierarchy A hierarchy for all education issues and / or training issues and for the teaching profession and students. (the addition of 'and students' is the only change) END CHARTER. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBNn6r0WOfGXkh8vHZAQEglgP/Urt1T5e6aCY4BPOgi5/tFbGUzm+GCByc CWbA1jDyhTFKzNarONqtiV4G5kIHfQaPiZJnckRAwEFRO7QAYqVgtXN/gxLF7sw6 JWk9sZACA484uvD1sZsxGN8dMmJRrCnyXZafg478Lf6GNNZQJUn5h0MsWzksSwBq 5wUwYDVS8CI= =CWnu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----