06 Mar 1999: uk.local.* Charter Change

From: Alan Fleming <af@contract.co.uk>
Date: 6 Mar 1999 23:00:55 -0000
Subject: RESULT - Amend newsgroup charters for all uk.local groups PASSES 170:12
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce



	  Summary: uk.local.* Charter Changes

    Amend newsgroup charters for all uk.local groups PASSES 170:12

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 16th February 1999.

Proponent: amabbett@bham-assist.demon.co.uk (Andy Mabbett)
Votetaker: af@contract.co.uk (Alan Fleming)

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uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.local.*

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Result
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers comments
4) Voting and Appeal guidelines
5) Rationale & Charter modification

PROPOSAL - Amend charters for all uk.local groups

YES = 170
NO = 12

YES beat NO by a majority of 158 votes.

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The Particulars of the Vote


A.J. Norman				nja:*:leicester.ac !uk
Adrian Wontroba			aw1:*:stade.co !uk
Al Howat				al:*:eschaton.demon.co !uk
Alan J. Wylie			alan.wylie:*:zen.co !uk
Alan Rayner				alanr:*:lightnet.co !uk
Alastair Walker			Alastair:*:telxon.demon.co !uk
Alex Dawson				alex.dawson:*:uea.ac !uk
Alex Holden				votes:*:alexh.claranet.co !uk
Alex Ray				ajtr2:*:cam.ac !uk
Allan Beetlestone			{A}:*:beetlestone.demon.co !uk
Andrew Harvey			aharvey:*:itl !net
Andy Henson				arh:*:cix.co !uk
Andy Mabbett			amabbett:*:bham-assist.demon.co !uk
Andy McDade				ajm:*:forfree !at
Andy Veitch				ajv:*:sklr.demon.co !uk
Arwel Parry				arwel:*:cartref.demon.co !uk
Barry Salter			barrykas:*:salterg.demon.co !uk
Beth					beth:*:flyboat.demon.co !uk
Bill Muskett			bill.muskett:*:which !net
Billyboy				billyboy:*:gto !net.om
Bruce Mardle			bruce:*:algol.demon.co !uk
C Boothroyd				cboothroyd:*:cix.co !uk
Calum I Mac Leod			calum:*:bordernet.co !uk
Carol Turner			carol:*:magpie.demon.co !uk
Chris Keen				vote:*:aimless.demon.co !uk
Chris M. Dickson			chris:*:dickson.demon.co !uk
Chris Watts				chris:*:vineries.demon.co !uk
Clair Barrass			clair:*:barrass1.freeserve.co !uk
Claire Speed			c.speed:*:mcc.ac !uk
Colin Bell				crb:*:art.co !uk
Colin McKenzie			mckenzie:*:onlinegb !com
D.I. Redhouse			dir21:*:cam.ac !uk
Damien van C.			damien:*:ukmedics !com
Danny Collman			ddcollman:*:hwthwood.demon.co !uk
Dave JW Day				ukvote:*:stejonda.demon.co !uk
Dave Mayall				david.mayall:*:ukonline.co !uk
Dave Millard			dave:*:focus3.demon.co !uk
Dave Pearson			dp:*:medphysics.leeds.ac !uk
Dave Sparks				Dave.Sparks:*:sisyphus.demon.co !uk
David Blair				david:*:upcs.demon.co !uk
David Budd				d.budd:*:mcc.ac !uk
David Clapham			Dave:*:community-spirit.demon.co !uk
David Damerell			damerell:*:chiark.greenend.org !uk
David E Glass			dave:*:btcf.demon.co !uk
David McKelvie Rosser Owen	dro:*:dalhelve.demon.co !uk
David Morris			David:*:davidm.demon.co !uk
David Richards			vote.reply:*:dv-8.demon.co !uk
David Riley				dave:*:dmriley.demon.co !uk
Deb Paget				deb:*:snru-unn.demon.co !uk
Derek Stanley			derek:*:boat-safety.demon.co !uk
Devi Jankowicz			anima:*:devi.demon.co !uk
Doug Weller				dweller:*:ramtops.demon.co !uk
Dr David White			fluff:*:zetnet.co !uk
Dr John Betts			dr:*:browser.demon.co !uk
Dr John Stockton			jrs:*:merlyn.demon.co !uk
Duncan Dewar			duncan:*:brandane.demon.co !uk
Dyfrig Thomas			Dyfrig:*:siopywerin.demon.co !uk
Eddie Breeveld			erb:*:mssl.ucl.ac !uk
Fran McGuinness			fran:*:mcg-gsy.demon.co !uk
Gareth D. Reece			Gareth:*:altfx.demon.co !uk
Geoff Berrow			black-dog:*:geocities !com
Geraint Edwards			ger:*:beff.demon.co !uk
Geraldine Messenbird Smith	geraldine:*:messenbirdsmith.Freeserve.co !uk
Greg Chapman			greg:*:home.cam.net !uk
Gregg Cummings			cfv:*:hardboiled.demon.co !uk
Gwyn Evans				gwyn.evans:*:opentrade.co !uk
Heather Colquhoun			colquhoun.mob:*:zetnet.co !uk
Iain Heath				Iain:*:the-pub3.demon.co !uk
Iain Tatch				iain:*:deepsea.force9.co !uk
Ian Dinsdale			ian:*:idinsdal.force9.co !uk
Ian Jelf				ian:*:bluebadge.demon.co !uk
Ian Jennings			ij:*:microware.demon.co !uk
Imran Ghory				imrang:*:btinternet !com
J Reay				j.reay:*:zetnet.co !uk
Jacques Hankin			jacques:*:thecroft.demon.co !uk
James Coupe				james:*:obeah.demon.co !uk
Jane Vernon				jane:*:otbo.demon.co !uk
Jason Waghorn			jason:*:ullscarf.demon.co !uk
Jeff Lewis				jeff:*:rhondda.demon.co !uk
Jeremy McNeill			jezza:*:hotwells.freeserve.co !uk
Jim Hill				jim:*:jh-c.demon.co !uk
Jo Walton				Jo:*:bluejo.demon.co !uk
John Bazeley			jkb:*:cableinet.co !uk
John Blundell			john:*:blundell.demon.co !uk
John C. Elliott			herbie:*:tesco !net
John Clayton			claude:*:orangenet.co !uk
John Dawson				john:*:jondaw.demon.co !uk
John Grey				john:*:thegreys.demon.co !uk
John Hall				john:*:jhall.demon.co !uk
John Mallard			john_mallard:*:lineone !net
John Sullivan			john:*:yddraiggoch.demon.co !uk
Jon Plews				jonplews:*:dial.pipex !com
Jonathan Wheeler			J.F.Wheeler:*:rl.ac !uk
Joseph Otten			joe.otten:*:virgin !net
Kath Collman			Kath:*:hwthwood.demon.co !uk
Keith					dysgwr:*:aol !com
Kevin Michael Sheehan		kevin.sheehan:*:rhbnc.ac !uk
Lee Bumstead			lee:*:bumstead.demon.co !uk
Les Kneeling			les:*:lesk.demon.co !uk
Lesley Simpson			nl:*:corwyn.demon.co !uk
Lyn David Thomas			lyn:*:stuffing.demon.co !uk
Malcolm Hills			malcolm:*:mdhills.demon.co !uk
Mark Raeburn			Mark:*:phooey.demon.co !uk
Mark Tyndall			mrt102:*:york.ac !uk
Marysia				marysia:*:jadzia.demon.co !uk
Max Bone				maxb:*:maxmax.demon.co !uk
Michael John Gayler		gaylers:*:zetnet.co !uk
Michael Parry			michael:*:unicorn-connection.co !uk
Mike Crowe				mac:*:fysh !org
Mike Fleming			mike:*:tauzero.demon.co !uk
Mike Henry				mike:*:tw2 !com
Mike Mallett			mike.mallett:*:zetnet.co !uk
Mike Slocombe			mike:*:urban75 !com
Mike Swift				mike.swift:*:yeton.demon.co !uk
Miles Batchelor			miles_batchelor:*:bigfoot !com
Molly Mockford			molly:*:orbs.demon.co !uk
Nick Leverton			leveret:*:warren.demon.co !uk
Nick Meredith			nick.m:*:zetnet.co !uk
Nigel A Campbell			nigel:*:ncampbell.demon.co !uk
Nik Clayton				nik:*:nothing-going-on.demon.co !uk
Omar Jamil				oxj:*:dcs.ed.ac !uk
Pam Davies				p.m.davies:*:leeds.ac !uk
Paul Herber				pherber:*:pherber !com
Paul McRoy				p.mcroy:*:zetnet.co !uk
Pekka P. Pirinen			ppp:*:pirinen.demon.co !uk
Penny Mayes				penny.m:*:orangenet.co !uk
Pete Mitchell			newsposter:*:dmed.demon.co !uk
Peter Duck				pduck:*:zetnet.co !uk
Peter Munn				pmunnsub:*:pearce-neptune.demon.co !uk
Peter Thomson			peter.thomson:*:dial.pipex !com
Phil Britton			phil:*:paule.demon.co !uk
Phil Wade				phil:*:pooters.freeserve.co !uk
Philip J West			phil:*:westfamily.demon.co !uk
Philip Powell			philip:*:blencathra.demon.co !uk
Richard Ashton			richard:*:corixia.demon.co !uk
Richard Bates			hug-me:*:cheerful !com
Richard Fairbairn			richard:*:fairbairn1.demon.co !uk
Richard Gethin			richard:*:rgethin.demon.co !uk
Richard Parker			rparker:*:ims.ltd !uk
Robert Bird				robert:*:bargee.demon.co !uk
Robert Gormley			r.gormley:*:ed.ac !uk
Robert Hull				Robert:*:spammenot !com
Robert Irvine			robbie:*:arrakis !nu
Robert Trevellyan			robt:*:ct.hughsym.co !uk
Roger Davies			roger.davies:*:virgin !net
Ronan Flood				R.Flood:*:noc.ulcc.ac !uk
Ross Hamilton			ross:*:rossh.clara !net
Ross Younger			wry20:*:cai.cam.ac !uk
Roy Bailey				rbailey:*:westberks.demon.co !uk
Roy Stilling			rpjs:*:kalevala.demon.co !uk
Simon Gray				simon:*:star-one.org !uk
Soselina				Soselina:*:aol !com
Steph Johnson			Steph:*:sbjhome.cix.co !uk
Stephen Judd			steve:*:sjudd.demon.co !uk
Steve Crook				steve:*:brainstorm.co !uk
Steve Glennie-Smith		steve:*:glennie.demon.co !uk
Steve Loft				steve:*:klaatu.demon.co !uk
Steven Clarke			Steven.Clarke:*:Theplanet !net
Tas Wake				T.wake:*:btinternet !com
Tim Ellis				tim:*:timellis.demon.co !uk
Tim Forcer				tmf:*:ecs.soton.ac !uk
Tim James				tim:*:timjames.demon.co !uk
Tim Sharrock			tjsharrock:*:iee !org
Tim Skipper				TimS:*:dataease.co !uk
Tobias Erle				VOTE-UK:*:KHOLDAN.SNAFU !de
Tony Evans				tony:*:tagman.demon.co !uk
Tony Game				tgame:*:netcomuk.co !uk
Tony Walton				tony.walton:*:uk.Sun !com
Trevor Fleming			north-west-political:*:mag-uk !org
Warren Hoy				warren:*:gwtech.demon.co !uk

NO Votes

Clive Martin			clive:*:cmartin.demon.co !uk
Denis F				bedfordtlfan:*:yahoo !com
Ellen Mizzell			ellen:*:tictac.demon.co !uk
Iain Bowen				alaric:*:harlech.demon.co !uk
Lee Bohan				lee.bohan:*:iname !com
Michael `Mike` Crowe		mikecrowe:*:mikecrowe.demon.co !uk
Paul C Dickie			pcd:*:bozzie.demon.co !uk
Paul L. Allen			pla:*:sktb.demon.co !uk
Peter Corlett			abuse:*:verrine.demon.co !uk
Richard Clayton			richard:*:turnpike !com
Steve Brown				Steve:*:zaxxon.keme.co !uk
T Bruce Tober			octobersdad:*:reporters !net


Malcolm Mladenovic		mbm:*:acm !org
SJFBeckwith				sjfb:*:cirra !com

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Votetakers Notes:

I think this is the largest-ever majority in the history of votes in
the UK hierarchy; it's also one of the largest-ever responses.

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The first RFD was issued on 5 Oct 1998 and was generally
received well. A second RFD, on 9 Nov 1998, made slight changes to
some of the wording.

A fast-track application was published on 5 Dec 1998, but there
were four objections.

RATIONALE: uk.local.*

The many uk.local.* newsgroups are suffering from the actions of a
minority who see fit to cross-post adverts, trolls or other irrelevant
material to many or all of them. To counter this, it is proposed that
each individual charter be amended by the addition of a paragraph to
limit such cross-posting.

PROPOSAL: uk.local.*

Each uk.local.* charter shall have inserted (immediately after the
section on advertising, where one exists; otherwise at a point to be
determined by Control) the following paragraph:


        Messages posted to this newsgroup must not be cross-posted to
        more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be
        geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the
        subject of the post (e.g. "moving house from Manchester to

        Note that the advertising of widely-available goods or services
        is *not* relevant in this context, and that most uk.local.*
        groups have restrictions on advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-
        posted adverts, where allowed, must meet the requirements of the
        charters of *all* groups involved.

Where the charter of a specific group prohibits advertising, the above
paragraph shall be omitted.

Any existing rule on cross-posting to uk.local.* groups shall be

Welsh translations of this wording shall be inserted into the charters
of any uk.local.* group with an English Welsh bilingual charter.

The uk.local.* hierarchy charter shall have added:

        Messages posted to groups in this hierarchy must not be
        cross-posted to more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.*
        newsgroups; these may be geographically adjacent or overlapping,
        or connected by the subject of the post (e.g. "moving house from
        Manchester to Birmingham". Note that the advertising of widely-
        available goods or services is *not* relevant in this context,
        and that most uk.local.* groups have restrictions on
        advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-posted adverts, where
        allowed, must meet the requirements of  the charters of *all*
        groups involved.

        A paragraph to this effect, must be included in any future
        charter for a group in this hierarchy.

Once this action has been agreed upon, Control will be asked to post the
relevant amended charter to each group individually.

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Alan Fleming

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