From: Alan Fleming Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce Subject: RESULT - Amend newsgroup charters for all uk.local groups PASSES 170:12 Date: 6 Mar 1999 23:00:55 -0000 Organization: A Good Idea(tm) Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: uk.local.* Charter Changes Amend newsgroup charters for all uk.local groups PASSES 170:12 - - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 16th February 1999. Proponent: amabbett@bham-assist.demon.co.uk (Andy Mabbett) Votetaker: af@contract.co.uk (Alan Fleming) - - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.local.* - - ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Result 2) Particulars of the Vote 3) Votetakers comments 4) Voting and Appeal guidelines 5) Rationale & Charter modification PROPOSAL - Amend charters for all uk.local groups YES = 170 NO = 12 ABSTAIN = 2 YES beat NO by a majority of 158 votes. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Particulars of the Vote YES VOTES A.J. Norman nja:*:leicester.ac !uk Adrian Wontroba aw1:*:stade.co !uk Al Howat al:*:eschaton.demon.co !uk Alan J. Wylie alan.wylie:*:zen.co !uk Alan Rayner alanr:*:lightnet.co !uk Alastair Walker Alastair:*:telxon.demon.co !uk Alex Dawson alex.dawson:*:uea.ac !uk Alex Holden votes:*:alexh.claranet.co !uk Alex Ray ajtr2:*:cam.ac !uk Allan Beetlestone {A}:*:beetlestone.demon.co !uk Andrew Harvey aharvey:*:itl !net Andy Henson arh:*:cix.co !uk Andy Mabbett amabbett:*:bham-assist.demon.co !uk Andy McDade ajm:*:forfree !at Andy Veitch ajv:*:sklr.demon.co !uk Arwel Parry arwel:*:cartref.demon.co !uk Barry Salter barrykas:*:salterg.demon.co !uk Beth beth:*:flyboat.demon.co !uk Bill Muskett bill.muskett:*:which !net Billyboy billyboy:*:gto !net.om Bruce Mardle bruce:*:algol.demon.co !uk C Boothroyd cboothroyd:*:cix.co !uk Calum I Mac Leod calum:*:bordernet.co !uk Carol Turner carol:*:magpie.demon.co !uk Chris Keen vote:*:aimless.demon.co !uk Chris M. Dickson chris:*:dickson.demon.co !uk Chris Watts chris:*:vineries.demon.co !uk Clair Barrass clair:*:barrass1.freeserve.co !uk Claire Speed c.speed:*:mcc.ac !uk Colin Bell crb:*:art.co !uk Colin McKenzie mckenzie:*:onlinegb !com D.I. Redhouse dir21:*:cam.ac !uk Damien van C. damien:*:ukmedics !com Danny Collman ddcollman:*:hwthwood.demon.co !uk Dave JW Day ukvote:*:stejonda.demon.co !uk Dave Mayall david.mayall:*:ukonline.co !uk Dave Millard dave:*:focus3.demon.co !uk Dave Pearson dp:*:medphysics.leeds.ac !uk Dave Sparks Dave.Sparks:*:sisyphus.demon.co !uk David Blair david:*:upcs.demon.co !uk David Budd d.budd:*:mcc.ac !uk David Clapham Dave:*:community-spirit.demon.co !uk David Damerell damerell:*:chiark.greenend.org !uk David E Glass dave:*:btcf.demon.co !uk David McKelvie Rosser Owen dro:*:dalhelve.demon.co !uk David Morris David:*:davidm.demon.co !uk David Richards vote.reply:*:dv-8.demon.co !uk David Riley dave:*:dmriley.demon.co !uk Deb Paget deb:*:snru-unn.demon.co !uk Derek Stanley derek:*:boat-safety.demon.co !uk Devi Jankowicz anima:*:devi.demon.co !uk Doug Weller dweller:*:ramtops.demon.co !uk Dr David White fluff:*:zetnet.co !uk Dr John Betts dr:*:browser.demon.co !uk Dr John Stockton jrs:*:merlyn.demon.co !uk Duncan Dewar duncan:*:brandane.demon.co !uk Dyfrig Thomas Dyfrig:*:siopywerin.demon.co !uk Eddie Breeveld erb:*:mssl.ucl.ac !uk Fran McGuinness fran:*:mcg-gsy.demon.co !uk Gareth D. Reece Gareth:*:altfx.demon.co !uk Geoff Berrow black-dog:*:geocities !com Geraint Edwards ger:*:beff.demon.co !uk Geraldine Messenbird Smith geraldine:*:messenbirdsmith.Freeserve.co !uk Greg Chapman greg:*:home.cam.net !uk Gregg Cummings cfv:*:hardboiled.demon.co !uk Gwyn Evans gwyn.evans:*:opentrade.co !uk Heather Colquhoun colquhoun.mob:*:zetnet.co !uk Iain Heath Iain:*:the-pub3.demon.co !uk Iain Tatch iain:*:deepsea.force9.co !uk Ian Dinsdale ian:*:idinsdal.force9.co !uk Ian Jelf ian:*:bluebadge.demon.co !uk Ian Jennings ij:*:microware.demon.co !uk Imran Ghory imrang:*:btinternet !com J Reay j.reay:*:zetnet.co !uk Jacques Hankin jacques:*:thecroft.demon.co !uk James Coupe james:*:obeah.demon.co !uk Jane Vernon jane:*:otbo.demon.co !uk Jason Waghorn jason:*:ullscarf.demon.co !uk Jeff Lewis jeff:*:rhondda.demon.co !uk Jeremy McNeill jezza:*:hotwells.freeserve.co !uk Jim Hill jim:*:jh-c.demon.co !uk Jo Walton Jo:*:bluejo.demon.co !uk John Bazeley jkb:*:cableinet.co !uk John Blundell john:*:blundell.demon.co !uk John C. Elliott herbie:*:tesco !net John Clayton claude:*:orangenet.co !uk John Dawson john:*:jondaw.demon.co !uk John Grey john:*:thegreys.demon.co !uk John Hall john:*:jhall.demon.co !uk John Mallard john_mallard:*:lineone !net John Sullivan john:*:yddraiggoch.demon.co !uk Jon Plews jonplews:*:dial.pipex !com Jonathan Wheeler J.F.Wheeler:*:rl.ac !uk Joseph Otten joe.otten:*:virgin !net Kath Collman Kath:*:hwthwood.demon.co !uk Keith dysgwr:*:aol !com Kevin Michael Sheehan kevin.sheehan:*:rhbnc.ac !uk Lee Bumstead lee:*:bumstead.demon.co !uk Les Kneeling les:*:lesk.demon.co !uk Lesley Simpson nl:*:corwyn.demon.co !uk Lyn David Thomas lyn:*:stuffing.demon.co !uk Malcolm Hills malcolm:*:mdhills.demon.co !uk Mark Raeburn Mark:*:phooey.demon.co !uk Mark Tyndall mrt102:*:york.ac !uk Marysia marysia:*:jadzia.demon.co !uk Max Bone maxb:*:maxmax.demon.co !uk Michael John Gayler gaylers:*:zetnet.co !uk Michael Parry michael:*:unicorn-connection.co !uk Mike Crowe mac:*:fysh !org Mike Fleming mike:*:tauzero.demon.co !uk Mike Henry mike:*:tw2 !com Mike Mallett mike.mallett:*:zetnet.co !uk Mike Slocombe mike:*:urban75 !com Mike Swift mike.swift:*:yeton.demon.co !uk Miles Batchelor miles_batchelor:*:bigfoot !com Molly Mockford molly:*:orbs.demon.co !uk Nick Leverton leveret:*:warren.demon.co !uk Nick Meredith nick.m:*:zetnet.co !uk Nigel A Campbell nigel:*:ncampbell.demon.co !uk Nik Clayton nik:*:nothing-going-on.demon.co !uk Omar Jamil oxj:*:dcs.ed.ac !uk Pam Davies p.m.davies:*:leeds.ac !uk Paul Herber pherber:*:pherber !com Paul McRoy p.mcroy:*:zetnet.co !uk Pekka P. Pirinen ppp:*:pirinen.demon.co !uk Penny Mayes penny.m:*:orangenet.co !uk Pete Mitchell newsposter:*:dmed.demon.co !uk Peter Duck pduck:*:zetnet.co !uk Peter Munn pmunnsub:*:pearce-neptune.demon.co !uk Peter Thomson peter.thomson:*:dial.pipex !com Phil Britton phil:*:paule.demon.co !uk Phil Wade phil:*:pooters.freeserve.co !uk Philip J West phil:*:westfamily.demon.co !uk Philip Powell philip:*:blencathra.demon.co !uk Richard Ashton richard:*:corixia.demon.co !uk Richard Bates hug-me:*:cheerful !com Richard Fairbairn richard:*:fairbairn1.demon.co !uk Richard Gethin richard:*:rgethin.demon.co !uk Richard Parker rparker:*:ims.ltd !uk Robert Bird robert:*:bargee.demon.co !uk Robert Gormley r.gormley:*:ed.ac !uk Robert Hull Robert:*:spammenot !com Robert Irvine robbie:*:arrakis !nu Robert Trevellyan robt:*:ct.hughsym.co !uk Roger Davies roger.davies:*:virgin !net Ronan Flood R.Flood:*:noc.ulcc.ac !uk Ross Hamilton ross:*:rossh.clara !net Ross Younger wry20:*:cai.cam.ac !uk Roy Bailey rbailey:*:westberks.demon.co !uk Roy Stilling rpjs:*:kalevala.demon.co !uk Simon Gray simon:*:star-one.org !uk Soselina Soselina:*:aol !com Steph Johnson Steph:*:sbjhome.cix.co !uk Stephen Judd steve:*:sjudd.demon.co !uk Steve Crook steve:*:brainstorm.co !uk Steve Glennie-Smith steve:*:glennie.demon.co !uk Steve Loft steve:*:klaatu.demon.co !uk Steven Clarke Steven.Clarke:*:Theplanet !net Tas Wake T.wake:*:btinternet !com Tim Ellis tim:*:timellis.demon.co !uk Tim Forcer tmf:*:ecs.soton.ac !uk Tim James tim:*:timjames.demon.co !uk Tim Sharrock tjsharrock:*:iee !org Tim Skipper TimS:*:dataease.co !uk Tobias Erle VOTE-UK:*:KHOLDAN.SNAFU !de Tony Evans tony:*:tagman.demon.co !uk Tony Game tgame:*:netcomuk.co !uk Tony Walton tony.walton:*:uk.Sun !com Trevor Fleming north-west-political:*:mag-uk !org Warren Hoy warren:*:gwtech.demon.co !uk NO Votes Clive Martin clive:*:cmartin.demon.co !uk Denis F bedfordtlfan:*:yahoo !com Ellen Mizzell ellen:*:tictac.demon.co !uk Iain Bowen alaric:*:harlech.demon.co !uk Lee Bohan lee.bohan:*:iname !com Michael `Mike` Crowe mikecrowe:*:mikecrowe.demon.co !uk Paul C Dickie pcd:*:bozzie.demon.co !uk Paul L. Allen pla:*:sktb.demon.co !uk Peter Corlett abuse:*:verrine.demon.co !uk Richard Clayton richard:*:turnpike !com Steve Brown Steve:*:zaxxon.keme.co !uk T Bruce Tober octobersdad:*:reporters !net ABSTENTIONS Malcolm Mladenovic mbm:*:acm !org SJFBeckwith sjfb:*:cirra !com - - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Votetakers Notes: I think this is the largest-ever majority in the history of votes in the UK hierarchy; it's also one of the largest-ever responses. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------ This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/ There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. - - -------------------------------------------------------------- PROPONENT'S SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION The first RFD was issued on 5 Oct 1998 and was generally received well. A second RFD, on 9 Nov 1998, made slight changes to some of the wording. A fast-track application was published on 5 Dec 1998, but there were four objections. RATIONALE: uk.local.* The many uk.local.* newsgroups are suffering from the actions of a minority who see fit to cross-post adverts, trolls or other irrelevant material to many or all of them. To counter this, it is proposed that each individual charter be amended by the addition of a paragraph to limit such cross-posting. PROPOSAL: uk.local.* Each uk.local.* charter shall have inserted (immediately after the section on advertising, where one exists; otherwise at a point to be determined by Control) the following paragraph: CROSS-POSTING Messages posted to this newsgroup must not be cross-posted to more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the subject of the post (e.g. "moving house from Manchester to Birmingham"). Note that the advertising of widely-available goods or services is *not* relevant in this context, and that most uk.local.* groups have restrictions on advertising, or prohibit it. Cross- posted adverts, where allowed, must meet the requirements of the charters of *all* groups involved. Where the charter of a specific group prohibits advertising, the above paragraph shall be omitted. Any existing rule on cross-posting to uk.local.* groups shall be removed. Welsh translations of this wording shall be inserted into the charters of any uk.local.* group with an English Welsh bilingual charter. The uk.local.* hierarchy charter shall have added: Messages posted to groups in this hierarchy must not be cross-posted to more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the subject of the post (e.g. "moving house from Manchester to Birmingham". Note that the advertising of widely- available goods or services is *not* relevant in this context, and that most uk.local.* groups have restrictions on advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-posted adverts, where allowed, must meet the requirements of the charters of *all* groups involved. A paragraph to this effect, must be included in any future charter for a group in this hierarchy. Once this action has been agreed upon, Control will be asked to post the relevant amended charter to each group individually. - - --------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Fleming af@contract.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBNuGzpGOfGXkh8vHZAQHAWQQAjlZQfDnfiKt3bvK3qFQad2f7qGeeDhjz u87bhyqL7knNbEakmrds6TMQbB3N6gtmuf+x+MRL8feZpkjMphkWTyEB6cqP5tgC cX5W73M6SAQTLdyVouRxBRWYwN7HrO6Gc5+p4xEMzFxCBYydUxHYkU+28Fj2NAdV 9iiXf4TMyDI= =d0Mb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----