07 Jun 1999: uk.people.bdsm.personals (moderated)

From: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: 7 Jun 1999 22:08:39 +0100
Subject: RESULT : uk.people.bdsm.personals (moderated) PASSES
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.people.bdsm


	     RESULT - Creation of BDSM personals group passes 

Summary of results:

The six options were:

Option 1 : uk.people.bdsm.personals (moderated)
Option 2 : uk.people.bdsm.personals (unmoderated)
Option 3 : uk.adverts.personals.bdsm (moderated)
Option 4 : uk.adverts.personals.bdsm (unmoderated)
Status Quo (Neither group is created)
Re-Open Discussion

STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:

Option 1           preferred to Status Quo by 36 votes to 16
Option 2           preferred to Status Quo by 34 votes to 19
Option 3           preferred to Status Quo by 47 votes to  6
Option 4           preferred to Status Quo by 45 votes to  7
Re-Open Discussion preferred to Status Quo by 35 votes to 12

All options beat Status Quo by at least 12 votes and so continue.

STAGE TWO - Comparison of the remaining options:

Option 1 preferred to           Option 2 by 33 votes to 15
Option 1 preferred to           Option 3 by 27 votes to 23
Option 1 preferred to           Option 4 by 30 votes to 22
Option 1 preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 35 votes to 17
Option 2 preferred to           Option 4 by 27 votes to 24
Option 2 preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 34 votes to 19
Option 3 preferred to           Option 2 by 36 votes to 17
Option 3 preferred to           Option 4 by 33 votes to 16
Option 3 preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 46 votes to  6
Option 4 preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 44 votes to  8

Option 1 was preferred to all the other options, therefore the group
uk.people.bdsm.personals is created as a moderated group with the
charter as given below.

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 27th May 1999

Proponent: Marysia      <marysia@jadzia.demon.co.uk>
Votetaker: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>

uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.people.bdsm

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale & Proposed Changes

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             1     2     3     4     SQ   ROD
  Option 1 [n/a] [ 33] [ 27] [ 30] [ 36] [ 35]
  Option 2 [ 15] [n/a] [ 17] [ 27] [ 34] [ 34]
  Option 3 [ 23] [ 36] [n/a] [ 33] [ 47] [ 46]
  Option 4 [ 22] [ 24] [ 16] [n/a] [ 45] [ 44]
Status Quo [ 16] [ 19] [  6] [  7] [n/a] [ 12]
       ROD [ 17] [ 19] [  6] [  8] [ 35] [n/a]

In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 33 votes preferred
option one (upb.personals [moderated]) to option two (upb.personals) while
17 votes preferred reopening the discussion to option one (upb.personals


             1     2     3     4     SQ   ROD
  Option 1 [n/a] [ 18] [  4] [  8] [ 20] [ 18]
  Option 2 [-18] [n/a] [-19] [  3] [ 15] [ 15]
  Option 3 [ -4] [ 19] [n/a] [ 17] [ 41] [ 40]
  Option 4 [ -8] [ -3] [-17] [n/a] [ 38] [ 36]
Status Quo [-20] [-15] [-41] [-38] [n/a] [-23]
       ROD [-18] [-15] [-40] [-36] [ 23] [n/a]

In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's column to the option
appropriate to the number's row. For instance, 20 more people preferred
Option 1 to Status Quo than preferred Status Quo to Option 1.

As shown by all the numbers in its row in the lower grid being positive,
Option 1 (uk.people.bdsm.personals [moderated]) was preferred to all other
options and hence wins the ballot.

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BDSM Personal Adverts Group Final Vote Ack

                                          Re-Open Discussion --------+
                                                  Status Quo -------+|
           Option 4: uk.adverts.personals.bdsm (unmoderated) ------+||
             Option 3: uk.adverts.personals.bdsm (moderated) -----+|||
            Option 2: uk.people.bdsm.personals (unmoderated) ----+||||
              Option 1: uk.people.bdsm.personals (moderated) ---+|||||
abuse.verrine.demon.oc.ku (Peter Corlett)                       AA32A1
alan.produce.demon.oc.ku (Alan)                                 121243
alaric.harlech.demon.oc.ku (Iain Bowen)                         214365
alex.dawson.uea.ac.uk (Alex Dawson)                             563421
alex.ray.ukmedics.omc (Alex Ray)                                451132
alex.alexh.freeuk.omc (Alex Holden)                             552134
amn.ubik.demon.oc.ku (Anthony Naggs)                            516243
andy.pigsonthewing.demon.oc.ku (Andy Mabbett)                   AA1132
andy.vision25.demon.oc.ku (Andrew Hunt)                         123465
anthony.hilbert.demon.oc.ku (Anthony Hilbert)                   152643
bdsm.ninetymph.demon.oc.ku (Russell Simon Hoyle)                132465
bn1_slurp.hotmail.omc (bn1_slurp)                               3142AA
brian.westbr.demon.oc.ku (Brian West)                           1234AA
damerell.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (David Damerell)                561432
Daniel.john-fam.dircon.oc.ku (Daniel John)                      241356
Darkness39.yahoo.omc (Darkness)                                 123465
david.mayall.ukonline.oc.ku (Dave Mayall)                       452113
Domino.msouthg.demon.oc.ku (Domino)                             132456
douglasr.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (Douglas Reay)                  261354
eaking.ulape.demon.oc.ku (Edward King)                          441235
etov.protopia.demon.oc.ku (PaulF)                               132465
gentlish.polbox.demon.oc.ku (Pete)                              132465
graham.affordable-leather.oc.ku (Graham Marsden)                241365
harry.wirepack.demon.oc.ku (Harry)                              132465
hilbert.hilbert.demon.oc.ku (Joy Hilbert)                       261543
ijackson.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (Ian Jackson)                   561243
james.farrar.ic.ca.ku (James Farrar)                            3412A5
james.obeah.demon.oc.ku (James Coupe)                           331122
keith.ilf0rd.demon.oc.ku (Keith)                                2143AA
lodger.nts-ltd.demon.oc.ku (Gordon Gilmore)                     132456
m.dyer.zetnet.oc.ku (Martin Dyer)                               423165
m.paterson.consunet.ln (martinp)                                AAAA1A
m.towering-oak.demon.oc.ku (m)                                  123465
magawiska.softhome.etn (Maga Tweed)                             354612
malcolm.pigsty.demon.oc.ku (Malcolm McMahon)                    132465
marysia.jadzia.demon.oc.ku (Marysia)                            314265
master_shammat.hotmail.omc (Master Shammat)                     423165
matthew.malthouse.guardian.oc.ku (Matthew Malthouse)            432165
mbm.acm.rgo (Malcolm Mladenovic)                                1A1111
paul.pcserv.demon.oc.ku (Paul Carpenter)                        651243
pb10003.cus.cam.ca.ku (Paul Bolchover)                          451263
philh.vision25.demon.oc.ku (Philip Hunt)                        1324AA
Raunch.pobox.oc.ku (SandMan)                                    132465
ricardian.usa.etn (Dick Williams)                               123465
richard-vote.illuin.demon.oc.ku (Richard Letts)                 AAAAAA
richard.corixia.demon.oc.ku (Richard Ashton)                    652143
richard.turnpike.omc (Richard Clayton)                          652134
simon.star-one.rgo.ku (Simon Gray)                              AAAAAA
siona.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (Sion Arrowsmith)                  261534
squireb.bryhod99.demon.oc.ku (Squire)                           516234
Tanos.informedconsent.oc.ku (Tanos)                             315462
tfl.psp.oc.ku (Thomas Lee)                                      213456
tony.tagman.demon.oc.ku (Tony Evans)                            121243
vote-uk.kholdan.snafu.ed (Tobias Erle)                          132465
WildSlaveG.aol.omc (Lauren)                                     2143AA
_ysana_.yahoo.omc (Ysana)                                       123465

Key: A = Abstain/No Preference


don.dc-train.demon.oc.ku (Don Carter)
   ! No name on ballot paper
burflel@chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (Louise Burfleet)
   ! Vote received after deadline
mikey@quasar.clara.etn (Michael)
   ! Vote received after deadline
nickdom4u@aol.omc (Nick)
   ! Vote received after deadline

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Votetakers Comments:

This is the largest vpte I've handled so far and it went surprisingly
smoothly, apart from a few invalid votes, two of which the voters

As always, the Condorcet count proved to be a headache, especially as
all of the options apart from Status Quo went through to the second

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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in
the uk hierarchy.  The rules under which this vote is taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:

The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.rgo.ku/

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to

Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.

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RATIONALE: (including Summary of Discussion)

The newsgroup uk.people.bdsm is very successful. The charter, however, 
specifically prohibits personal adverts. The newsgroup still receives many 
such adverts and it appears that personals are a very popular way to use 
the Internet. A UK bdsm personals group would give people a place more 
suitable than the regular or worldwide personal groups to seek partners 
for bdsm activities.   

uk.people.bdsm.personals - this was the favourite in the straw poll held.  
There is precedent for placing adverts groups outside of the adverts 
hierarchy, eg uk.rec.photo.adverts and uk.local.southwest.adverts. Also 
there is the possibility that in the future uk.people.bdsm may become a 
larger sub-hierarchy with other groups as well as the personals and main 

uk.adverts.personals.bdsm - this is the current uk hierarchy area for 
personal adverts including the groups uk.adverts.personals and 

This RFD adds the new moderation info to the proposal. I think that 
whether the group should be moderated or not should be voted on in the 
CFV. Moderation was favoured in the straw poll held.   

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Newsgroups line:

uk.people.bdsm.personals    Personal ads for bondage, D/s & s/m in the UK 

This group is for the posting of bondage, domination, submission and sado-
masochistic related personal adverts by people looking for partners in the 
United Kingdom. Until a more relevant group is created personals for other 
fetishes will also be allowed. However personals must be specifically 
looking for people within the United Kingdom. Adverts looking for people 
generally (ie worldwide or europe wide) will not be on topic.   

Postings should be repeated no more than once a fortnight and should be 
kept to a reasonable length (200 lines max). Sig files should be 6 lines 
or less in length.   

Discussion of bdsm practices and general discussion by those interested in 
bdsm should go to uk.people.bdsm. Please set followups to poster when 
posting and reply by email to those adverts that have not done so. 
Crossposting to uk.adverts.personals is not encouraged.   

All posts should be in plain ASCII text and should not contain attachments 
of any sort.  


No commercial advertising (even those related to the group topic). If you 
have a commercial advertisement in your sig file but are posting an on 
topic personal this is allowable assuming your sig file is 6 lines or less 
in length.   


Binaries other than PGP signatures are not permitted on this group, if you 
wish people to be able to see a picture of you put one on the web or in an 
appropriate binaries newsgroup and add a pointer to your personal.   


It is proposed that this group will be moderated. If this passes it will 
allow no crossposts, no follow-ups, no binaries, no posts over 200 lines 
and no off-topic posts. Follow-ups will be set to poster. It will be 
moderated by myself using robomoderation software. Should I fail in my 
duties as moderator another moderator should be chosen by a vote conducted 
on uk.people.bdsm.   

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