From: Barry Salter Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.people.bdsm Subject: RESULT : uk.people.bdsm.personals (moderated) PASSES Date: 7 Jun 1999 22:08:39 +0100 Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT - Creation of BDSM personals group passes Summary of results: =================== The six options were: Option 1 : uk.people.bdsm.personals (moderated) Option 2 : uk.people.bdsm.personals (unmoderated) Option 3 : uk.adverts.personals.bdsm (moderated) Option 4 : uk.adverts.personals.bdsm (unmoderated) Status Quo (Neither group is created) Re-Open Discussion STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo: Option 1 preferred to Status Quo by 36 votes to 16 Option 2 preferred to Status Quo by 34 votes to 19 Option 3 preferred to Status Quo by 47 votes to 6 Option 4 preferred to Status Quo by 45 votes to 7 Re-Open Discussion preferred to Status Quo by 35 votes to 12 All options beat Status Quo by at least 12 votes and so continue. STAGE TWO - Comparison of the remaining options: Option 1 preferred to Option 2 by 33 votes to 15 Option 1 preferred to Option 3 by 27 votes to 23 Option 1 preferred to Option 4 by 30 votes to 22 Option 1 preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 35 votes to 17 Option 2 preferred to Option 4 by 27 votes to 24 Option 2 preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 34 votes to 19 Option 3 preferred to Option 2 by 36 votes to 17 Option 3 preferred to Option 4 by 33 votes to 16 Option 3 preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 46 votes to 6 Option 4 preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 44 votes to 8 Option 1 was preferred to all the other options, therefore the group uk.people.bdsm.personals is created as a moderated group with the charter as given below. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 27th May 1999 Proponent: Marysia Votetaker: Barry Salter Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.people.bdsm - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Results 2) Particulars of the Vote 3) Votetakers Comments 4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 5) Rationale & Proposed Changes - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RESULTS: RAW PREFERENCES GRID 1 2 3 4 SQ ROD Option 1 [n/a] [ 33] [ 27] [ 30] [ 36] [ 35] Option 2 [ 15] [n/a] [ 17] [ 27] [ 34] [ 34] Option 3 [ 23] [ 36] [n/a] [ 33] [ 47] [ 46] Option 4 [ 22] [ 24] [ 16] [n/a] [ 45] [ 44] Status Quo [ 16] [ 19] [ 6] [ 7] [n/a] [ 12] ROD [ 17] [ 19] [ 6] [ 8] [ 35] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 33 votes preferred option one (upb.personals [moderated]) to option two (upb.personals) while 17 votes preferred reopening the discussion to option one (upb.personals [moderated]). OPPOSITE COMPARISONS GRID 1 2 3 4 SQ ROD Option 1 [n/a] [ 18] [ 4] [ 8] [ 20] [ 18] Option 2 [-18] [n/a] [-19] [ 3] [ 15] [ 15] Option 3 [ -4] [ 19] [n/a] [ 17] [ 41] [ 40] Option 4 [ -8] [ -3] [-17] [n/a] [ 38] [ 36] Status Quo [-20] [-15] [-41] [-38] [n/a] [-23] ROD [-18] [-15] [-40] [-36] [ 23] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's column to the option appropriate to the number's row. For instance, 20 more people preferred Option 1 to Status Quo than preferred Status Quo to Option 1. As shown by all the numbers in its row in the lower grid being positive, Option 1 (uk.people.bdsm.personals [moderated]) was preferred to all other options and hence wins the ballot. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE: BDSM Personal Adverts Group Final Vote Ack Re-Open Discussion --------+ Status Quo -------+| Option 4: uk.adverts.personals.bdsm (unmoderated) ------+|| Option 3: uk.adverts.personals.bdsm (moderated) -----+||| Option 2: uk.people.bdsm.personals (unmoderated) ----+|||| Option 1: uk.people.bdsm.personals (moderated) ---+||||| |||||| abuse.verrine.demon.oc.ku (Peter Corlett) AA32A1 alan.produce.demon.oc.ku (Alan) 121243 alaric.harlech.demon.oc.ku (Iain Bowen) 214365 alex.dawson.uea.ac.uk (Alex Dawson) 563421 alex.ray.ukmedics.omc (Alex Ray) 451132 alex.alexh.freeuk.omc (Alex Holden) 552134 amn.ubik.demon.oc.ku (Anthony Naggs) 516243 andy.pigsonthewing.demon.oc.ku (Andy Mabbett) AA1132 andy.vision25.demon.oc.ku (Andrew Hunt) 123465 anthony.hilbert.demon.oc.ku (Anthony Hilbert) 152643 bdsm.ninetymph.demon.oc.ku (Russell Simon Hoyle) 132465 bn1_slurp.hotmail.omc (bn1_slurp) 3142AA brian.westbr.demon.oc.ku (Brian West) 1234AA damerell.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (David Damerell) 561432 Daniel.john-fam.dircon.oc.ku (Daniel John) 241356 Darkness39.yahoo.omc (Darkness) 123465 david.mayall.ukonline.oc.ku (Dave Mayall) 452113 Domino.msouthg.demon.oc.ku (Domino) 132456 douglasr.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (Douglas Reay) 261354 eaking.ulape.demon.oc.ku (Edward King) 441235 etov.protopia.demon.oc.ku (PaulF) 132465 gentlish.polbox.demon.oc.ku (Pete) 132465 graham.affordable-leather.oc.ku (Graham Marsden) 241365 harry.wirepack.demon.oc.ku (Harry) 132465 hilbert.hilbert.demon.oc.ku (Joy Hilbert) 261543 ijackson.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (Ian Jackson) 561243 james.farrar.ic.ca.ku (James Farrar) 3412A5 james.obeah.demon.oc.ku (James Coupe) 331122 keith.ilf0rd.demon.oc.ku (Keith) 2143AA lodger.nts-ltd.demon.oc.ku (Gordon Gilmore) 132456 m.dyer.zetnet.oc.ku (Martin Dyer) 423165 m.paterson.consunet.ln (martinp) AAAA1A m.towering-oak.demon.oc.ku (m) 123465 magawiska.softhome.etn (Maga Tweed) 354612 malcolm.pigsty.demon.oc.ku (Malcolm McMahon) 132465 marysia.jadzia.demon.oc.ku (Marysia) 314265 master_shammat.hotmail.omc (Master Shammat) 423165 matthew.malthouse.guardian.oc.ku (Matthew Malthouse) 432165 mbm.acm.rgo (Malcolm Mladenovic) 1A1111 paul.pcserv.demon.oc.ku (Paul Carpenter) 651243 pb10003.cus.cam.ca.ku (Paul Bolchover) 451263 philh.vision25.demon.oc.ku (Philip Hunt) 1324AA Raunch.pobox.oc.ku (SandMan) 132465 ricardian.usa.etn (Dick Williams) 123465 richard-vote.illuin.demon.oc.ku (Richard Letts) AAAAAA richard.corixia.demon.oc.ku (Richard Ashton) 652143 richard.turnpike.omc (Richard Clayton) 652134 simon.star-one.rgo.ku (Simon Gray) AAAAAA siona.chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (Sion Arrowsmith) 261534 squireb.bryhod99.demon.oc.ku (Squire) 516234 Tanos.informedconsent.oc.ku (Tanos) 315462 tfl.psp.oc.ku (Thomas Lee) 213456 tony.tagman.demon.oc.ku (Tony Evans) 121243 vote-uk.kholdan.snafu.ed (Tobias Erle) 132465 WildSlaveG.aol.omc (Lauren) 2143AA _ysana_.yahoo.omc (Ysana) 123465 Key: A = Abstain/No Preference INVALID VOTES don.dc-train.demon.oc.ku (Don Carter) ! No name on ballot paper burflel@chiark.greenend.rgo.ku (Louise Burfleet) ! Vote received after deadline mikey@quasar.clara.etn (Michael) ! Vote received after deadline nickdom4u@aol.omc (Nick) ! Vote received after deadline - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Votetakers Comments: This is the largest vpte I've handled so far and it went surprisingly smoothly, apart from a few invalid votes, two of which the voters corrected. As always, the Condorcet count proved to be a headache, especially as all of the options apart from Status Quo went through to the second stage. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.rgo.ku/ There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RATIONALE: (including Summary of Discussion) The newsgroup uk.people.bdsm is very successful. The charter, however, specifically prohibits personal adverts. The newsgroup still receives many such adverts and it appears that personals are a very popular way to use the Internet. A UK bdsm personals group would give people a place more suitable than the regular or worldwide personal groups to seek partners for bdsm activities. uk.people.bdsm.personals - this was the favourite in the straw poll held. There is precedent for placing adverts groups outside of the adverts hierarchy, eg uk.rec.photo.adverts and uk.local.southwest.adverts. Also there is the possibility that in the future uk.people.bdsm may become a larger sub-hierarchy with other groups as well as the personals and main group. uk.adverts.personals.bdsm - this is the current uk hierarchy area for personal adverts including the groups uk.adverts.personals and uk.adverts.personals.gay-les-bi This RFD adds the new moderation info to the proposal. I think that whether the group should be moderated or not should be voted on in the CFV. Moderation was favoured in the straw poll held. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CHARTER Newsgroups line: uk.people.bdsm.personals Personal ads for bondage, D/s & s/m in the UK This group is for the posting of bondage, domination, submission and sado- masochistic related personal adverts by people looking for partners in the United Kingdom. Until a more relevant group is created personals for other fetishes will also be allowed. However personals must be specifically looking for people within the United Kingdom. Adverts looking for people generally (ie worldwide or europe wide) will not be on topic. Postings should be repeated no more than once a fortnight and should be kept to a reasonable length (200 lines max). Sig files should be 6 lines or less in length. Discussion of bdsm practices and general discussion by those interested in bdsm should go to uk.people.bdsm. Please set followups to poster when posting and reply by email to those adverts that have not done so. Crossposting to uk.adverts.personals is not encouraged. All posts should be in plain ASCII text and should not contain attachments of any sort. Advertising: No commercial advertising (even those related to the group topic). If you have a commercial advertisement in your sig file but are posting an on topic personal this is allowable assuming your sig file is 6 lines or less in length. Binaries: Binaries other than PGP signatures are not permitted on this group, if you wish people to be able to see a picture of you put one on the web or in an appropriate binaries newsgroup and add a pointer to your personal. Moderated: It is proposed that this group will be moderated. If this passes it will allow no crossposts, no follow-ups, no binaries, no posts over 200 lines and no off-topic posts. Follow-ups will be set to poster. It will be moderated by myself using robomoderation software. 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