16 Sep 1999: uk.politics.parties.libdem

From: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:02:15 GMT
Subject: RESULT: uk.politics.parties.libdem FAILS 25:18
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.politics.misc


                        RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Creation of uk.politics.parties.libdem

PROPOSAL - Creation of uk.politics.parties.libdem FAILS 25:18

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 12th September 1999.

Proponent: Brett Paul Dunbar <brett@dimetrodon.demon.co.uk>
Votetaker: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>

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uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.politics.misc

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale & Proposed Charter

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PROPOSAL - Creation of uk.politics.parties.libdem

    YES : 25 votes
     NO : 18 votes
ABSTAIN :  4 votes
Invalid :  2 votes
  Total : 49 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 7 votes. For group passage, there must be 
12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the group is not created.

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uk.politics.parties.libdem Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes 25 votes
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a%dawson`virgin%tne                                        Alex Dawson
alanr`lightnet%oc%ku                                       Alan Rayner
alex`alexh%clara%oc%ku                                     Alex Holden
brett`dimetrodon%demon%oc%ku                         Brett Paul Dunbar
broonie`tardis%ed%ac%uk                                     Mark Brown
dave`hbarnet%freeserve%oc%ku                               Dave Hillam 
fulleraaron`ukonline%oc%ku                                Aaron Fuller
hifranc`breathemail%tne                           Francisco De Freitas
ikr2`cix%oc%ku                                           Ian K. Ridley
jas`jmkemp%demon%oc%ku                                        J M Kemp
jball`transoft%omc                                            Jon Ball
merlin`netlink%oc%ku                                   Darren Wyn Rees
michael`cavrdg%demon%oc%ku                               Michael Parry
papanui`cwcom%tne                                    Martin W M Bryant
phil`saxmund%demon%oc%ku                                    Phil Clark
philh`vision25%demon%oc%ku                                 Philip Hunt
pmh`classicfm%tne                                   Paul M. Hutchinson
richard`ppeace%demon%oc%ku                            Richard Tibbetts
richard`tga%u-net%omc                                  Richard Gadsden
rpjs`kalevala%demon%oc%ku                                 Roy Stilling
tfl`psp%oc%ku                                                    T Lee
tim-lee`bigfoot%omc                                       Tim Harrison
tim`kooky%rgo                                                 Tim Bray
tim`poyningsclose%freeserve%oc%ku                           Tim Miller
wdonald`ibm%tne                                            Bill Donald

Voted No - 18 votes
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alaric`harlech%demon%oc%ku                                  Iain Bowen
craig`scot%demon%oc%ku                                  Craig Cockburn
david`election%demon%oc%ku                             David Boothroyd
gandj`cix%oc%ku                                            Gavin Drake
gazza%jones`virgin%tne                                      Gary Jones
james`sfgiants22%freeserve%oc%ku                          James Farrar
jezza`hotwells%freeserve%oc%ku                                   Jezza
lnorton`cix%oc%ku                                             L Norton
neil`skipper%rgo%ku                                       Neil Tungate
news`alba1314%demon%oc%ku                              Mr Russell Horn
news`druidic%isles%tne                                   Mark Ynys-Mon
nigel`ashton%demon%oc%ku                                  Nigel Ashton
richard`fairbairn%omc                                Richard Fairbairn
rosenstiel`cix%oc%ku                                  Colin Rosenstiel
rphillips`cix%oc%ku                                         R Phillips
simon`star-one%rgo%ku                                       Simon Gray
steve`wrightnet%demon%oc%ku                               Steve Wright
vote-uk`kholdan%snafu%ed                                   Tobias Erle

Abstained - 4 votes
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andy`pigsonthewing%demon%oc%ku                            Andy Mabbett
eaking`ulape%demon%oc%ku                                   Edward King
murble-news`yuri%rgo%ku                               William Boughton
philip`blencathra%demon%oc%ku                            Philip Powell

Votes in error - 2 votes
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quantum`crosslink%tne                                        atruelove
   ! No vote statement in message
rob`bleunoze%demon%oc%ku                                      Rob Hill
   ! Acknowledgement bounced

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Votetakers Comments:

As usual, people managed to completely fail to follow the instructions
on the ballot paper and had to be informed of the error of their ways.
All of the votes affected by this *were* resubmitted and have been

This was also the first time that I've run two votes at the same time
and all appears to have worked perfectly even though both lots of
votes were submitted to the same address.

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RATIONALE: uk.politics.parties.libdem

        Within uk.politics.* there is currently no place to discuss
        party-specific politics, the volume of uk.politics.misc makes it
        hard to find relevant discussions.

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