29 Sep 1999: uk.local.* hierarchy charter change
From: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:41:55 GMT
Subject: RESULT : Amendment to uk.local.* hierarchy charter PASSES
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config
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RESULT - Amendment to uk.local.* hierarchy charter
Summary of results:
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STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:
Option 1 preferred to Status Quo by 83 votes to 13
Status Quo preferred to Option 2 by 62 votes to 36
Status Quo preferred to Option 3 by 71 votes to 32
Status Quo preferred to Option 4 by 69 votes to 33
Status Quo preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 74 votes to 23
Option 1 beats Status Quo by 70 votes, therefore it is the winner and
Stage Two is not necessary.
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 24th September 1999
Proponent: Philip Powell <philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk>
Votetaker: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config
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The Results:
The results follow below in the following order:
1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale
6) Summary of Discussion
7) Existing Charter
8) Proposed Amendments
9) Amended Charter
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RESULTS:
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
1 2 3 4 ROD SQ
Option 1 [n/a] [ 82] [ 81] [ 81] [ 87] [ 83]
Option 2 [ 17] [n/a] [ 45] [ 42] [ 54] [ 36]
Option 3 [ 22] [ 36] [n/a] [ 30] [ 46] [ 32]
Option 4 [ 22] [ 39] [ 34] [n/a] [ 47] [ 33]
ROD [ 14] [ 42] [ 54] [ 52] [n/a] [ 23]
Status Quo [ 13] [ 62] [ 71] [ 69] [ 74] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 82 votes preferred
option one to option two while 14 votes preferred reopening the
discussion to option one.
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PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE:
Amendment to uk.local.* hierarchy charter Final Vote Ack
In view of the fact that this is a six option ballot, the vote details
are presented below in two separate parts.
Name Address
Aaron Fuller fulleraaron.AT.OR.NEAR.ukonline.oc.ku
Al Menzies al.AT.OR.NEAR.betterwords.u-net.moc
Alan Fleming af.AT.OR.NEAR.contract.oc.ku
Alan Rawlings alanr.AT.OR.NEAR.bpcf.u-net.moc
Alex D. Baxter alex-news.AT.OR.NEAR.oenone.demon.oc.ku
Alex Dawson a.dawson.AT.OR.NEAR.virgin.nte
Alex Foster alex.foster.AT.OR.NEAR.zetnet.oc.ku
Alex Holden alex.AT.OR.NEAR.alexh.clara.oc.ku
Andrew Gierth andrew.AT.OR.NEAR.erlenstar.demon.oc.ku
Andrew MacGregor macgregor.AT.OR.NEAR.free4all.oc.ku
Andrew Wineberg a.wineberg.AT.OR.NEAR.whitewine.freeserve.oc.ku
Andy Mabbett andy.AT.OR.NEAR.pigsonthewing.demon.oc.ku
Andy Roberts andyrobts.AT.OR.NEAR.zetnet.oc.ku
Andy Walker a.j.walker.AT.OR.NEAR.virgin.nte
Anthony Gold tgold.AT.OR.NEAR.panix.moc
Arwel Parry arwel.AT.OR.NEAR.cartref.demon.oc.ku
Bill bill.AT.OR.NEAR.billybubbles.demon.oc.ku
Bill Hay wish.AT.OR.NEAR.dumain.demon.oc.ku
Blade Runner black-dog.AT.OR.NEAR.geocities.moc
Brian McCauley b.a.mccauley.AT.OR.NEAR.bham.ac.uk
Charles F Hankel charles.AT.OR.NEAR.hankel.mersinet.oc.ku
Charles Lindsey chl.AT.OR.NEAR.clw.cs.man.ac.uk
Chris Croughton chris.AT.OR.NEAR.keris.demon.oc.ku
Chris Keen vote.AT.OR.NEAR.aimless.demon.oc.ku
Claire Speed c.speed.AT.OR.NEAR.mcc.ac.uk
Conor O'Neill conor.AT.OR.NEAR.puddle.oc.ku
Dave Mayall mayalld.AT.OR.NEAR.postoffice.oc.ku
Dave Sparks dave.sparks.AT.OR.NEAR.sisyphus.demon.oc.ku
David david_local.AT.OR.NEAR.paneltot.demon.oc.ku
David Cantrell nukeemup.AT.OR.NEAR.thepentagon.moc
David Clapham dave.AT.OR.NEAR.community-spirit.demon.oc.ku
David Damerell damerell.AT.OR.NEAR.chiark.greenend.org.uk
Denis F bedfordtlfan.AT.OR.NEAR.yahoo.moc
Denis McMahon denis.AT.OR.NEAR.pickaxe.demon.oc.ku
Doug Weller dweller.AT.OR.NEAR.ramtops.demon.oc.ku
Duncan Dewar duncan.AT.OR.NEAR.brandane.demon.oc.ku
E. J. Jewell ejewell.AT.OR.NEAR.chy-an-piran.demon.oc.ku
Ellen Mizzell ellen.AT.OR.NEAR.tictac.demon.oc.ku
Gareth J Dykes gareth.AT.OR.NEAR.riscos.moc
Gary Jones gazza.jones.AT.OR.NEAR.virgin.nte
Glenys Pople gkp.AT.OR.NEAR.howfen.demon.oc.ku
Graham Willmott graham.AT.OR.NEAR.netgates.oc.ku
Helge Nareid h.nareid.AT.OR.NEAR.nareid.demon.oc.ku
Hugh Simmons hugh.AT.OR.NEAR.st-ronan.demon.oc.ku
Iain iain.AT.OR.NEAR.deepsea.force9.oc.ku
Iain Bowen alaric.AT.OR.NEAR.harlech.demon.oc.ku
Iain Rae iainr.AT.OR.NEAR.civ.hw.ac.uk
James Coupe james.AT.OR.NEAR.obeah.demon.oc.ku
James Farrar james.AT.OR.NEAR.sfgiants22.freeserve.oc.ku
Jane Vernon jane.AT.OR.NEAR.otbo.demon.oc.ku
Jason Waghorn wj.AT.OR.NEAR.tesco.nte
Jezza jezza.AT.OR.NEAR.hotwells.freeserve.oc.ku
Jim Hill jim.AT.OR.NEAR.jh-c.demon.oc.ku
Jo Walton jo.AT.OR.NEAR.bluejo.demon.oc.ku
John Baguley jcb.AT.OR.NEAR.avism.demon.oc.ku
John Robinson john.AT.OR.NEAR.thebeard.demon.oc.ku
John Stockton jrs.AT.OR.NEAR.merlyn.demon.oc.ku
Jonathan Wheeler j.f.wheeler.AT.OR.NEAR.rl.ac.uk
K Richard Whitbread richard.whitbread.AT.OR.NEAR.tesco.nte
Kate L Pugh kake.AT.OR.NEAR.ox.mocpsoc.nte
Kevin Andreoli kevin.andreoli.AT.OR.NEAR.ukgateway.nte
Luke Bosman lukebosman.AT.OR.NEAR.argonet.oc.ku
Malcolm Mladenovic mbm.AT.OR.NEAR.acm.org
Marc Donovan donovan.AT.OR.NEAR.dial.pipex.moc
Mark Goodge mark.AT.OR.NEAR.good-stuff.oc.ku
Mark Tyndall mrt102.AT.OR.NEAR.york.ac.uk
Matt Kiessling mgk.AT.OR.NEAR.ecs.soton.ac.uk
Mike Fleming mike.AT.OR.NEAR.tauzero.demon.oc.ku
Mike Henry mike.AT.OR.NEAR.tw2.moc
Molly Mockford molly.AT.OR.NEAR.orbs.demon.oc.ku
Neil Fernandez ncf.AT.OR.NEAR.borve.demon.oc.ku
Niall niallcw.AT.OR.NEAR.btinternet.moc
Nick Atty nick.AT.OR.NEAR.nandj.freeserve.oc.ku
Nick Regan nick.AT.OR.NEAR.regan123.freeuk.moc
Nigel Ashton nigel.AT.OR.NEAR.ashton.demon.oc.ku
Nigel Cliffe ncliffe.AT.OR.NEAR.btinternet.moc
Paul Bolchover pb10003.AT.OR.NEAR.cus.cam.ac.uk
Paul Carpenter paul.AT.OR.NEAR.pcserv.demon.oc.ku
Paul Leake p.j.leake.AT.OR.NEAR.durham.ac.uk
Paul Martin paul.martin.AT.OR.NEAR.nuffield.ox.ac.uk
Paul Womar vote.AT.OR.NEAR.pwomar.demon.oc.ku
Pekka P. Pirinen ppp.AT.OR.NEAR.pirinen.demon.oc.ku
Pete Humble peet.AT.OR.NEAR.dircon.oc.ku
Peter Corlett abuse.AT.OR.NEAR.verrine.demon.oc.ku
Peter Munn pmunnsub.AT.OR.NEAR.pearce-neptune.demon.oc.ku
Phil Clark phil.AT.OR.NEAR.saxmund.demon.oc.ku
Phil Wade philwade.AT.OR.NEAR.bigfoot.moc
Philip Powell philip.AT.OR.NEAR.blencathra.demon.oc.ku
Raven raven.AT.OR.NEAR.arpeggio.demon.oc.ku
Rex M F Smith sumisu.AT.OR.NEAR.gehena.demon.oc.ku
Richard Ashton {r}.AT.OR.NEAR.sunshine.tm
Richard Clayton richard.AT.OR.NEAR.turnpike.moc
Richard Tibbetts richard.AT.OR.NEAR.primepeace.ltd.uk
Roger Haynes roger.AT.OR.NEAR.haynes.screaming.nte
Roy Stilling rpjs.AT.OR.NEAR.kalevala.demon.oc.ku
S.W.F. Borthwick swfb.AT.OR.NEAR.bokop.win-uk.nte
Sarah Reeson sarah.AT.OR.NEAR.gubbins.nte
Simon Gray simon.AT.OR.NEAR.star-one.org.uk
Six six.AT.OR.NEAR.screamingeagle.in2home.nte
Squire squireb.AT.OR.NEAR.bryhod99.demon.oc.ku
Steve Dodd dirk.AT.OR.NEAR.loth.demon.oc.ku
Steve Lewin steve.lewin.AT.OR.NEAR.icl.moc
Steve Wright steve.AT.OR.NEAR.wrightnet.demon.oc.ku
Susan Ashton susan.AT.OR.NEAR.ashton.demon.oc.ku
Thomas Lee tfl.AT.OR.NEAR.psp.oc.ku
Toby Speight toby.speight.AT.OR.NEAR.streapadair.freeserve.oc.ku
Tony tony.AT.OR.NEAR.tagman.demon.oc.ku
Tony Towers tony.AT.OR.NEAR.cats.tele2.oc.ku
Tony Walton tony.walton.AT.OR.NEAR.sun.moc
V Hampson vhampson.AT.OR.NEAR.netcomuk.oc.ku
Status Quo --------\
Re-Open Discussion -------\|
Option 4 ------\||
Option 3 -----\|||
Option 2 ----\||||
Option 1 ---\|||||
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Name |||||| Preference
Aaron Fuller 222122 4 > 1 = 2 = 3 = ROD = SQ
Al Menzies 631254 3 > 4 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 1
Alan Fleming 14AA32 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 = 4
Alan Rawlings 124443 1 > 2 > SQ > 3 = 4 = ROD
Alex D. Baxter 145632 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 4
Alex Dawson 222231 SQ > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 > ROD
Alex Foster AA1AAA 3 > 1 = 2 = 4 = ROD = SQ
Alex Holden 166632 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 = 3 = 4
Andrew Gierth 125543 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 = 4
Andrew MacGregor 125643 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 > 4
Andrew Wineberg 625431 SQ > 2 > ROD > 4 > 3 > 1
Andy Mabbett 1AAA23 1 > ROD > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4
Andy Roberts A2113A 3 = 4 > 2 > ROD > 1 = SQ
Andy Walker 126543 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 4 > 3
Anthony Gold 125543 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 = 4
Arwel Parry 125543 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 = 4
Bill 234561 SQ > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > ROD
Bill Hay 164532 1 > SQ > ROD > 3 > 4 > 2
Blade Runner 514236 2 > 4 > ROD > 3 > 1 > SQ
Brian McCauley 12AA43 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 = 4
Charles F Hankel A2A13A 4 > 2 > ROD > 1 > 3 > SQ
Charles Lindsey 162354 1 > 3 > 4 > SQ > ROD > 2
Chris Croughton 1AAA32 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 = 3 = 4
Chris Keen AAAAA1 SQ > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD
Claire Speed 134256 1 > 4 > 2 > 3 > ROD > SQ
Conor O'Neill 146532 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 4 > 3
Dave Mayall 145523 1 > ROD > SQ > 2 > 3 = 4
Dave Sparks A13245 2 > 4 > 3 > ROD > SQ > 1
David 3312AA 3 > 4 > 1 = 2 > ROD = SQ
David Cantrell 125534 1 > 2 > ROD > SQ > 3 = 4
David Clapham 144432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 = 3 = 4
David Damerell 165432 1 > SQ > ROD > 4 > 3 > 2
Denis F 123465 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > SQ > ROD
Denis McMahon 144432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 = 3 = 4
Doug Weller 133342 1 > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4 > ROD
Duncan Dewar 145632 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 4
E. J. Jewell 12AA43 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 = 4
Ellen Mizzell 4321AA 4 > 3 > 2 > 1 > ROD = SQ
Gareth J Dykes 165432 1 > SQ > ROD > 4 > 3 > 2
Gary Jones 124365 1 > 2 > 4 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Glenys Pople 165432 1 > SQ > ROD > 4 > 3 > 2
Graham Willmott AA3124 4 > ROD > 3 > SQ > 1 = 2
Helge Nareid 134562 1 > SQ > 2 > 3 > 4 > ROD
Hugh Simmons 156342 1 > SQ > 4 > ROD > 2 > 3
Iain 155324 1 > ROD > 4 > SQ > 2 = 3
Iain Bowen 1532A4 1 > 4 > 3 > SQ > 2 > ROD
Iain Rae 142434 1 > 3 > ROD > 2 = 4 = SQ
James Coupe 164532 1 > SQ > ROD > 3 > 4 > 2
James Farrar 144423 1 > ROD > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4
Jane Vernon AA1AAA 3 > 1 = 2 = 4 = ROD = SQ
Jason Waghorn 142365 1 > 3 > 4 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Jezza 413256 2 > 4 > 3 > 1 > ROD > SQ
Jim Hill 631245 3 > 4 > 2 > ROD > SQ > 1
Jo Walton 144352 1 > SQ > 4 > 2 = 3 > ROD
John Baguley 145632 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 4
John Robinson 145523 1 > ROD > SQ > 2 > 3 = 4
John Stockton 144423 1 > ROD > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4
Jonathan Wheeler 631254 3 > 4 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 1
K Richard Whitbread AA11AA 3 = 4 > 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
Kate L Pugh 134423 1 > ROD > 2 = SQ > 3 = 4
Kevin Andreoli 125543 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 = 4
Luke Bosman 1AAAAA 1 > 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ
Malcolm Mladenovic AAAAAA 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ
Marc Donovan 1423AA 1 > 3 > 4 > 2 > ROD = SQ
Mark Goodge 142365 1 > 3 > 4 > 2 > SQ > ROD
Mark Tyndall 632154 4 > 3 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 1
Matt Kiessling 641235 3 > 4 > ROD > 2 > SQ > 1
Mike Fleming 14AA32 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 = 4
Mike Henry 133342 1 > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4 > ROD
Molly Mockford 1AAAAA 1 > 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ
Neil Fernandez AAAAAA 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD = SQ
Niall A3124A 3 > 4 > 2 > ROD > 1 = SQ
Nick Atty 532164 4 > 3 > 2 > SQ > 1 > ROD
Nick Regan 146532 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 4 > 3
Nigel Ashton 23AA41 SQ > 1 > 2 > ROD > 3 = 4
Nigel Cliffe 155562 1 > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4 > ROD
Paul Bolchover 125463 1 > 2 > SQ > 4 > 3 > ROD
Paul Carpenter 166623 1 > ROD > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4
Paul Leake 532145 4 > 3 > 2 > ROD > 1 = SQ
Paul Martin 145632 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 4
Paul Womar 146532 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 4 > 3
Pekka P. Pirinen 143542 1 > SQ > 3 > 2 = ROD > 4
Pete Humble 124432 1 > 2 = SQ > ROD > 3 = 4
Peter Corlett 1AAAA2 1 > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD
Peter Munn 145532 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 = 4
Phil Clark 361254 3 > 4 > 1 > SQ > ROD > 2
Phil Wade 154362 1 > SQ > 4 > 3 > 2 > ROD
Philip Powell 165432 1 > SQ > ROD > 4 > 3 > 2
Raven 166632 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 = 3 = 4
Rex M F Smith 155362 1 > SQ > 4 > 2 = 3 > ROD
Richard Ashton 1AAAA2 1 > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD
Richard Clayton 134452 1 > SQ > 2 > 3 = 4 > ROD
Richard Tibbetts A312AA 3 > 4 > 2 > 1 = ROD = SQ
Roger Haynes 134562 1 > SQ > 2 > 3 > 4 > ROD
Roy Stilling 133332 1 > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4 = ROD
S.W.F. Borthwick 166632 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 = 3 = 4
Sarah Reeson 124365 1 > 2 > 4 > 3 > SQ > ROD
Simon Gray 12AA43 1 > 2 > SQ > ROD > 3 = 4
Six A1AA2A 2 > ROD > 1 = 3 = 4 = SQ
Squire 144432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 = 3 = 4
Steve Dodd 123241 1 = SQ > 2 = 4 > 3 > ROD
Steve Lewin 154362 1 > SQ > 4 > 3 > 2 > ROD
Steve Wright 162354 1 > 3 > 4 > SQ > ROD > 2
Susan Ashton 136542 1 > SQ > 2 > ROD > 4 > 3
Thomas Lee 145632 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 > 3 > 4
Toby Speight 154263 1 > 4 > SQ > 3 > 2 > ROD
Tony 144423 1 > ROD > SQ > 2 = 3 = 4
Tony Towers 165432 1 > SQ > ROD > 4 > 3 > 2
Tony Walton AA12AA 3 > 4 > 1 = 2 = ROD = SQ
V Hampson 144432 1 > SQ > ROD > 2 = 3 = 4
Notes: A = Abstain/No Preference, AAAAAA = Complete Abstention
INVALID VOTES
Devi devi@sdps.demon.co.uk
! Ack bounced - 550 (BHST) Unknown host/domain name
Brett Dunbar brett@dimetron.demon.co.uk
! Ack bounced - 550 (BHST) Unknown host/domain name
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VOTETAKERS COMMENTS:
At 110 valid votes, this is the largest vote I've taken. Like the recent
uk.politics.parties.libdem vote, there were problems with people not
following the voting instructions properly and causing the vote checking
script to reject votes which, apart from a lack of square brackets, were
perfectly valid.
The two votes listed as invalid above were rejected for two completely
different reasons, despite these resulting in the same SMTP error code.
The first was bounced as, IIRC, sdps.dcu is actually an alias for
Demon's POP3 cluster and the second was bounced due to the voter
spelling his address incorrectly on the ballot paper and it is that
address, rather than any others, that is used for the voting address.
The Condorcet count was reasonably easy for this vote, as Option 1
was the only one to beat the Status Quo so the Stage Two count was
unnecessary. In addition, I kept all of the votes in an Excel
spreadsheet so used two basic formulae to work out the preferences
and totals.
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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.
The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
<ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.
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RATIONALE:
There has been much discussion in recent months in uk.net.news.config,
and other places, over the suitability of proposed groups within
uk.local.*. This amendment seeks to clarify the situation regarding
future new groups within the uk.local.* hierarchy.
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SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION:
The RFD was posted on 21/6/1999 to uk.net.news.announce and
uk.net.news.config.
The discussion has generated more heat than light as it has become
bogged down on one specific case rather than a general discussion of
the basic principle involved - whether or not non-real locations
should be allowed within uk.local.*.
Eventually, three alternative wordings were suggested that would allow
for non-real locations within uk.local.*.
Two further suggestions were put forward to specifically exclude
'borsetshire' from the Charter restraints. However, the proponent has
rejected these for three reasons: they appeared to originate from the
same source; no other support was registered; the same arguments would
arise for the next proposal for a non-real location.
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EXISTING CHARTER:
The hierarchy is for groups to discuss and announce local issues and
events. It is expected that most groups will be created in the form:
uk.local.<area-name> or in the form: uk.local.<area-name>.<subcategory>.
<area-name> is the area to be covered by the group (and <subcategory>
can be used or extended as necessary).
Messages posted to groups in this hierarchy must not be cross-posted to
more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be
geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the subject of
the post (e.g. "moving house from Manchester to Birmingham").
Note that the advertising of widely-available goods or services is *not*
relevant in this context, and that most uk.local.* groups have
restrictions on advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-posted adverts, where
allowed, must meet the requirements of the charters of *all* groups
involved.
A paragraph to this effect, must be included in any future charter for a
group in this hierarchy.
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PROPOSED AMENDMENTS:
OPTION 1 (Philip Powell):
That the initial paragraph of the above Charter be replaced by the
following:
"The hierarchy is for groups to discuss issues and announce events
related to recognised and identifiable locations and regions within
the United Kingdom, or in territories closely associated with it.
Groups will be created in the form: uk.local.<area-name> or in the
form: uk.local.<area-name>.<subcategory>. <area-name> is the area to
be covered by the group (and <subcategory> can be used or extended as
necessary). The <area-name> shall be that which is in everyday usage
or an alias that is commonly understood.
Other, more suitable, hierarchies shall be used for fictional,
imaginary or virtual locations."
OPTION 2 (Blade Runner):
"The hierarchy is for groups which discuss local areas with relevance
to the UK. A qualifying local area must be able to demonstrate an
established culture, identity, geographic location or any combination
thereof."
OPTION 3 (Mark Goodge):
"The hierarchy is for groups to discuss issues and announce events
related to recognised and identifiable locations and regions within
the United Kingdom, or in territories closely associated with it. The
<area-name> shall be that which is in everyday usage or an alias that
is commonly understood.
The <area-name> may be an actual geographical location, or a fictional
place name (for example, as used in TV or radio drama)."
OPTION 4 (David Damerell):
"The hierarchy is for groups which discuss local areas with relevance
to the UK. A qualifying local area must be able to demonstrate an
established culture, identity, geographic location or any combination
thereof.
Groups discussing fictional or imaginary areas are not excluded,
provided that those areas have a clearly UK-based culture and/or
identity."
Votetakers Note: David Damerell has requested that we point out that,
whilst he proposed the text for this option, he does not
support it over option 1 or Status Quo.
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AMENDED CHARTER:
The hierarchy is for groups to discuss issues and announce events
related to recognised and identifiable locations and regions within the
United Kingdom, or in territories closely associated with it. Groups
will be created in the form: uk.local.<area-name> or in the form:
uk.local.<area-name>.<subcategory>. <area-name> is the area to be
covered by the group (and <subcategory> can be used or extended as
necessary). The <area-name> shall be that which is in everyday usage or
an alias that is commonly understood.
Other, more suitable, hierarchies shall be used for fictional,
imaginary or virtual locations.
Messages posted to groups in this hierarchy must not be cross-posted to
more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be
geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the subject of
the post (e.g. "moving house from Manchester to Birmingham").
Note that the advertising of widely-available goods or services is *not*
relevant in this context, and that most uk.local.* groups have
restrictions on advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-posted adverts, where
allowed, must meet the requirements of the charters of *all* groups
involved.
A paragraph to this effect must be included in any future charter for a
group in this hierarchy.
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