Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx05.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!matrix.darkstorm.co.uk!.POSTED!matrix.darkstorm.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Barry Salter Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.moderation,uk.rec.cycling.moderated Subject: RESULT - Amend Charter of uk.rec.cycling.moderated FAILS 25:41 Followup-To: uk.net.news.config Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:59:29 +0000 Organization: just another hole in the fabric of the internet Lines: 264 Sender: Tony Evans as Control Approved: Tony Evans as Control Message-ID: X-Trace: matrix.darkstorm.co.uk bgVhxU/X0qt6Olfb8cpewS80wNCm9nvN+yIKrbTuTCJP68nJoh4UpwAtS84tPJFSlAxyjGauOsSRVfD7vt2x4w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@matrix.darkstorm.co.uk X-User-ID: Zn3Pih5FbXG3+XAfwIxmT8EJaHuj7SS/SqcvmfH5Fkc= Cancel-Lock: sha1:rsoq/v9RX/LF/hCnK4j6zg92Pic= Xref: mx05.eternal-september.org uk.net.news.announce:355 uk.net.news.config:18664 uk.net.news.moderation:27874 uk.rec.cycling.moderated:38924 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: Amend Charter of uk.rec.cycling.moderated Amend Charter of uk.rec.cycling.moderated FAILS 25:41 NO beat YES by a majority of 16 votes. For the proposal to succeed, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 15th February 2013. Proponent : Mark Goodge Votetaker: Barry Salter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Distribution: These results have been posted to the following newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.rec.cycling.moderated uk.net.news.moderation - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period 2) Results 3) Individual Vote Details 4) Votetakers Comments 5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 6) Rationale 7) Newsgroups Line 8) Proposal - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SUMMARY OF MAIL RECEIVED DURING THE VOTING PERIOD 90 messages were received to the Ballot Request Address, of which: 88 were valid Ballot Requests 2 were test messages sent by the votetaker 69 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which: 68 were valid votes 1 was a revote requested for technical reasons - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RESULTS: Amend Charter of uk.rec.cycling.moderated YES : 25 votes NO : 41 votes ABSTAIN : 2 votes Total : 68 votes NO beat YES by a majority of 16 votes. For the proposal to succeed, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS Voted Yes - 25 votes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ attila#the#moderator#googlemail#com Steve Walker Brian#bjforster#force9#co#uk Brian chl#clerew#man#ac#uk Charles Lindsey crn#netunix#com crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com david#kemper#ntlworld#com David Kemper davidlang#blueyonder#co#uk The Medway Handyman iain-b#dircon#co#uk Iain jcb#news#ntlworld#com John Blundell judith#smith#outlook#com Judith katstuff#the-kat#org kat mark#good-stuff#co#uk Mark Goodge mentalguy2k8#gmail#com Mentalguy2k8 mike#jasper#org#uk Mike Tomlinson mrbenn_usenet#yahoo#com John Benn muzhmuzh#centrum#sk Peter Keller Nick#Spam#yahoo#co#uk Nick noparadise#gmail#com noparadise owenrees#fastmail#fm Owen Rees periander#of#corinth#googlemail#com Periander peter#wpp#ltd#uk Peter Parry tapan#blueyonder#co#uk Trevor A Panther tom#britsc#com Bertie Wooster usenet#jan2013#adslpipe#co#uk Andy Burns xurcm2#mollymockford#me#uk Molly Mockford {voter}#watman#clara#co#uk paul Voted No - 41 votes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ alan#p#collier#googlemail#com The Luggage alex#ap-consulting#co#uk Alex Potter andyl#azaal#plus#com Andy Leighton armb#chiark#greenend#org#uk Alan Braggins ben#darling#tesco#net ben.darling@outlook.com clive#evil-c#co#uk Clive George colin#nelson2#ntlworld#com Colin Nelson colin#colinreed#co#uk Colin Reed damerell#chiark#greenend#org#uk David Damerell geomannie#googlemail#com geomannie graham#drabble#me#uk Graham Drabble guddies#btinternet#com Sigi Gudd ian#clifton#chem#ox#ac#uk I J Clifton ijackson#chiark#greenend#org#uk Ian Jackson jaimie#sometimes#sessile#org Jaimie Vandenbergh jcb#inf#ed#ac#uk Julian Bradfield john#zothique#plus#com John Kendall jongru#btinternet#com The Todal louisxiv#spamcop#net Pete Lindsay m#r#causer#googlemail#com Mike Causer matthew#debian#org Matthew Vernon matthew#woodcraft#me#uk Matthew Woodcraf mcpheat#hotmail#com mcp mdw#distorted#org#uk Mark Wooding michael#richard#jones#gmail#com Mike Jones mike#urgle#com Mike Bristow news2011#colyer#plus#com Danny Colyer NEWS#sarlet#com Roger Merriman news#thenyes#org#uk Graham Nye nige#danton#gmail#com Nige Danton nmm1#cam#ac#uk Nick Maclaren not-for-mail#ahjg#co#uk Anthony Gold owend#chiark#greenend#org#uk Owen Dunn p#j#clinch#dundee#ac#uk Peter Clinch palmersperry#yahoo#com Alistair Gunn phil#lee-family#me#uk Phil W Lee pschleck#oasis#novia#net Paul W. Schleck rjk#greenend#org#uk Richard Kettlewell roger+urcm201301#nospam#firedrake#org Roger Burton West sarakirk#blueyonder#co#uk Sara Merriman tcnw81#tarrcity#demon#co#uk Wm Abstained - 2 votes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mark#aziraphale#homeip#net Mark Williams news#timjackson#plus#com Tim Jackson - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Votetakers Comments: Overall a relatively simple vote to run, with the usual peaks in voting at the point the CFVs were posted, tailing off around the half way point and again towards the end of the voting period. One voter seemed to be a little confused by the "comments to votetaker" section and requested the address in the results be changed. Explicit instructions as to how to do so were provided, but they elected not to do so, so are listed against their original address. Voter verification was mostly problem free due to most voters being "known", but it came to the attention of the votetaker that certain providers are stripping or encrypting key headers from messages sent through their services, making verification of votes from same somewhat more difficult. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control (at) usenet (dot) org (dot) uk. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RATIONALE: There has been much discussion in uk.net.news.* regarding the moderation policy of uk.rec.cycling.moderated. In particular, one of the issues is the moderation policy with regards to banned posters. This RFD seeks to amend the charter to clarify this policy. It should be noted that no change is proposed to the ability of the moderators to ban individuals from poosting to the group; the intent is simply to ensure that any ban is both transparent and proportionate. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NEWSGROUPS LINE uk.rec.cycling.moderated Cycling in the UK (Moderated) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PROPOSAL At the end of the first section of the charter of uk.rec.cycling.moderated (immediately prior to the section headed "Binaries and Formatting"), add the following text: The moderators may, at their discretion, maintain a list of contributors who can reasonably be expected to abide by the charter and moderation policy when posting. Posts from contributors on this list may be approved automatically by the moderation software without the need for human intervention. Posts from any contributor, whether on the pass list or not, which can be determined by software to be in breach of the charter or the published moderation policy (for example, those not in plain text or crossposted beyond any limits imposed by the moderation policy), or which are not validly formatted Usenet messages, may be rejected or discarded automatically by the moderation software without the need for human intervention. For all other articles the decision on whether to approve or reject any post will be made solely according to its content and not the identity of the author, with one exception: If an individual is responsible for a significant number of posts which are in breach of the charter, irrespective of whether they were rejected due to their content or were approved, then that person may be banned from posting to the group for either a fixed or indeterminate length of time. In all cases when a person is banned, an announcement of that fact, including the reasons for the ban and the length of the ban, shall be posted to the group by the moderators. The ban may not take effect until after this notice has been posted. Where a ban is of indeterminate length, a notice shall also be posted to the group should the moderators choose to rescind it. No notice is necessary when a fixed-length ban expires. Any posts rejected as being by a banned poster must show the ban as the reason for the rejection, both in the public moderation logs and any rejection email sent to the poster. END PROPOSAL -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 1.4.10 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBUSaYwWOfGXkh8vHZAQFZtQP9EYgNsJI49qwOWeaFrWoG3xMX9unNLa+V y7ekvsokFByWR8Ftw4FFNJFuWfnLSiGasvZx8ZSP07mDDwTcNzGig5ckmGJlQAyO IYR6kHQ6ZJf4iy940mdBdLW3ETyyx13We8riC9J/Dnv1QlzyXHIdoyLqsDMpLgSd mezUtz8O1xc= =YLHT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----