Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!130.88.203.18.MISMATCH!peernews.mcc.ac.uk!news.xenopsyche.net!news.mcc.ac.uk!clerew!clw.cs.man.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: dmahon_vote_xunr@amigo.co.uk Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.regulation,uk.net Subject: Result: Remove uk.net.regulation FAILS 20:15 Followup-To: uk.net.news.config Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:17:56 +0100 Message-ID: Sender: Charles Lindsey as Deputy Control Approved: Charles Lindsey as Deputy Control Lines: 214 Xref: uni-berlin.de uk.net.news.announce:3142 uk.net.news.config:187620 uk.net.regulation:2041 uk.net:69513 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: Remove uk.net.regulation Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.regulation FAILS 20:15 YES beat NO by a majority of 5 votes. For a proposal to pass, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closed at 23:59:59 Sat, 27th March 2004. Proponent: Clive D.W. Feather Votetaker: David Mahon - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Distribution: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.net.regulation uk.net - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period 2) Result 3) Individual Vote Details 4) Votetakers Comments 5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 6) Proposal 7) Rationale 8) Newsgroups Line - --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY OF MAIL RECEIVED DURING THE VOTING PERIOD 61 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which: 37 were valid Votes 1 was a re-vote (voter updated his vote correctly) 1 was a vote deemed invalid (voter re-voted correctly) 2 were invalid votes 20 were tests by the Votetaker - --------------------------------------------------------------------- RESULT: Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.regulation YES : 20 votes NO : 15 votes ABSTAIN : 2 votes Total : 37 votes INVALID : 2 YES beat NO by a majority of 5 votes. For a proposal to pass, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS UKvote&lehun.clara.oc.ku Alan LeHun YES bigfoot&davros.gro Anthony R. Gold YES unrvote&southie.em.ku Barry Salter YES brett&dimetrodon.demon.oc.ku Brett Paul Dunbar YES clive&davros.gro Clive Feather YES daviduri&bigfoot.moc David Uri YES graham.drabble&lineone.ten Graham Drabble YES usenet&deepsea.force9.oc.ku Iain YES pabooth&grumpy.oc.ku Paul Booth YES paul&pcserv.demon.oc.ku Paul Carpenter YES paul&cummins.ie.eu.gro Paul Cummins YES pedt&dontspame.moc Pedt YES pete&fenelon.moc Pete Fenelon YES peter.ramm&ntlworld.moc Peter Ramm YES psmyth&ukf.ten Peter Smyth YES richard&highwayman.moc Richard Clayton YES richard-vote&illuin.gro Richard Letts YES roy&ellor.vispa.moc Roy Ellor YES stuart&zedtoo.demon.oc.ku Stuart Painting YES tfl&psp.oc.ku Thomas Lee YES andrew&hodgsonfamily.gro Andrew Hodgson NO chl&clerew.man.ca.ku Charles Lindsey NO chris&keristor.gro Chris Croughton NO hyphen&hyphenologist.oc.ku Dave Fawthrop NO brillig&dsl.pipex.moc Dave Hillam NO requiem&freeuk.moc Dave Johnson NO xunr&sarnie.gro.ku Dave Mason NO dickg&dickalba.demon.oc.ku DG NO john&waterfoot.ten John Bean NO {voter}&watman.clara.oc.ku paul NO {R}&semolina.gro Richard Ashton NO roger&hayter.gro Roger Hayter NO news&economic-truth.oc.ku Tim Miller NO horrid.squeak&zetnet.oc.ku Tony Anson NO tcnw61&tarrcity.demon.oc.ku Wm NO david.mayall&ukonline.oc.ku Dave Mayall ABSTAIN kat&the-kat.gro kat ABSTAIN harveytm&lineone.ten Mike Harvey INVALID ebaybuyer&123mail.gro H Lewis INVALID - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Votetakers Comments: Further detailed checking of votes after the vote had closed revealed that the two votes marked 'invalid' in the list above had their source obscured by an anonymising web proxy and were therefore disallowed. This has been explained to both voters in the hope that they will be able to cast a vote successfully in future ballots, should they wish to. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk - --------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPOSAL: Remove uk.net.regulation =================================================================== RATIONALE: Remove uk.net.regulation The group uk.net.regulation was formed in September 2001 to discuss the regulatory framework in which the Internet operates within the UK. Despite the events of a few days later and their effects on that framework, the group has not served this end well, if at all. Google Groups shows a total of 56 threads posted to the group. My analysis of these is: On topic: 30 Off topic: 8 Trolls/flamewars: 14 Creation: 2 Dr Death: 1 Due to the way Google counts them, the 30 threads actually cover rather less than that in the way of topics; I reckon there were actually only 20 separate discussions. According to , there were the following numbers of postings in 2003: January 2 February 28 March 3 April 2 May 7 June 1 July 7 August none September 3 October 1 November none December none Google only has 4 of these 54 postings, and only one of those is - in my opinion - on-topic. My own archive only goes back to 1st October; it contains 6 messages, of which 4 are spam, 1 is part of a troll war, and 1 I can't classify (though Google doesn't have it, suggesting others think it is spam). It's dead. Let's bury the corpse. =================================================================== NEWSGROUPS LINE uk.net.regulation Regulation of the Internet in the UK =================================================================== END PROPOSAL -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBQHFckGOfGXkh8vHZAQGpKgP8Dfu0uEiEISsrNCbUxJ3ziUbZxhxOJ7eA Et/eyMKrRoGyF+bOBHKzVd7O0Gpw7uwLTuMXmiVRF2Ql5i5JpYgmM01xgdNV4aOL BWUcL7T3KY5DJ2GViSUg1TjcQLqy74rTVVKItu69zyFIvEXdTs5BoJUnBThkh8pO 3z+X4sl+rns= =z3aG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----