16 Feb 2004: Create unmoderated group uk.net.providers.vispa

From: Pedt Scragg <xunpv-query@dontspame.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:29:08 +0000
Subject: RESULT : Create newsgroup uk.net.providers.vispa PASSES 28:14
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.providers


                         RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.providers.vispa

Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.providers.vispa PASSES 28:14

YES beat NO by a majority of 14 votes. For group passage, there must be
12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal PASSES.

(Please note that, due to the known ability of the "swen" virus to
harvest addresses from news postings, all email addresses in this
results posting, including the votetaker's and proponent's "from" and
"reply-to" addresses, are spamtrapped or munged. I regret the necessity
for this, but consider these circumstances sufficiently exceptional
to warrant breaking the usual rules)

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 3rd February 2004.

Proponent: Roy Ellor <roy (at) ellor.vispa.com>
Votetaker: Pedt Scragg <xunpv-query (at) dontspame.com>

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period
2) Result
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale
7) Newsgroups Line
8) Charter

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   61 messages were received to the Ballot Request Address, of which:

   51 were valid Ballot Requests
    7 were virus-infected messages
    1 was a request for a Ballot Paper to be sent to itself
    1 was a request in response to the above
    1 was a test by the Votetaker

   47 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which:

   44 were valid Votes
    1 was a requested ballot paper
    1 was a vote acknowledgement
    1 was a test by the Votetaker

  579 messages were received to the Votetaker's Address, of which:

   11 were related to the vote
    2 whilst related, were Challenge/Response to the Acknowledgement
    1 was a request for a Ballot Paper
    1 was an administrative bounce
  391 were virus laden emails
  173 were junk mail / spam

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Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.providers.vispa

     YES : 28 votes
      NO : 14 votes
ABSTAIN :  2 votes
   Total : 44 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 14 votes. For group passage, there must be
12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal PASSES.

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Voted Yes - 28 votes
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Alex Mann                                          alex?letmethink@co@uk
Alex Monro                                               alexm?pobox@com
Anthony Gold                                          bigfoot?davros@org
Bob Eager                                                 rde?tavi@co@uk
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                     bhk?dsl@co@uk
Casey B Alderbran                                   chidman?ntlworld@com
Cranky                                         cranky?vispaconnect@co@uk
Damien                                           damien?hotweb@vispa@com
Dave Millard                                          dave?focus3@uk@com
David Mahon                                 dmahon_vote_unpv?amigo@co@uk
Far Canal                                                jwb61?gmx@co@uk
Iain McWilliams                                      iain?duckend@org@uk
Ian Stocks                                            ian?testbox2@co@uk
Jeff Mcghie                                            jeff?mcghie@me@uk
Jim Crowther                                          jim?crowfam@org@uk
John Burton                                       john@burton?jbmail@com
John Reid                                    john@reid?jazza@demon@co@uk
Kevin Ashley                                         k@ashley?ulcc@ac@uk
Martin Cooper                                   usenetspam?martinc@me@uk
Matchstick                                           matchstick?oofg@com
Nick Wilson                                           nick?wilson@org@uk
Paul Cummins                                            {pc}?vlaad@co@uk
Quillion                                          neil?rustica@vispa@com
Roy Ellor                                            roy?ellor@vispa@com
Take A Walk                                            wayne?machx@co@uk
Tim Lee                                               tim?datapath@co@uk
Wm                                           tcnw61?tarrcity@demon@co@uk
Zab                                                comrade54?lycos@co@uk

Voted No - 14 votes
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Barry Dorrans                                           barryd?dunno@org
Dave Johnson                                          requiem?freeuk@com
Dave Mason                                           xunpv?sarnie@org@uk
Dave Mayall                                    dave?research-group@co@uk
Iain Paton                                     ukvoting?darkvoyage@co@uk
John Bean                                             john?waterfoot@org
Matt Holland                                       matt?matt-holland@org
Paul Giverin                                          paul?giverin@co@uk
Paul Harper                                              paul?harper@net
Paul-B                                                 paul?streetka@biz
Pete Fenelon                                            pete?fenelon@com
Peter Parry                                             peter?wpp@ltd@uk
Peter Smyth                                               psmyth?ukf@net
Thomas Lee                                                 tfl?psp@co@uk

Abstained - 2 votes
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Lt. Cmdr. Jim                                             jim?us-lot@org
Philip Powell                                   philip?blencathra@org@uk

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Votetakers Comments:

Not quite as straightforward a vote as expected. My thanks to most of
the voters for making it easy by following the instructions though,
disappointingly, a few forgot to snip instructions from the Ballot Paper
before sending their vote. My thanks also to those who replied promptly
to queries.

I would suggest, to one voter, that it makes your vote rather difficult
to parse if the Ballot Paper is reformatted to 21 character line width.

One voter asked for their Ballot Paper to be sent to the Ballot Request
address, this subsequently generated a ballot paper to the vote address.
They did not re-request a Ballot Paper when advised by email.

One voter set the Reply-To: on their submitted Ballot Paper to the vote
address that was not spotted prior to sending out an acknowledgement.
The one voter who requested a Ballot Paper from the Votetaker's address,
as noted in the summary, later successfully requested a Ballot Paper.

One Ballot Request generated a Challenge/Response email as did two vote
acknowledgements. An acknowledgement, initially administratively bounced,
was successfully delivered Direct-to-MX though the votetaker wondered
whether his own mail server would similarly be described as braindead.

On this occasion, the votetaker has tried to re-Ack Challenge/Response
email and Administrative Bounces. Please note that this is not usual
UKVoting procedure but a personal decision taken in the light of other
email commented upon within this RESULT posting. In future votes, I
would take Challenge/Response requests and Administrative Bounces as a
no-Ack. The Challenge / Response Ballot Request was not responded to.

Given that some potential voters would be using the ISP Internal Forums
currently, an enquiry was made to see whether it would be possible for
read-only access to be granted to the votetaker, to aid in any needed
validation of votes, for the period of the vote. It is disappointing
to note that the query was not even acknowledged. In the event, any
access granted would have had no effect on the validation of votes.

As noted in the mail summary above, the Votetaker's address received a
significant level of traffic. Of particular mention is the fact that
most of the viruses are now elderly or approaching middle age.

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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.

The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:


The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.  Allegations of irregularity should be sent to
control (at) usenet.org.uk

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Vispa is a British ISP offering dialup and broadband (ADSL) services in
Great Britain.  Vispa has internal forums, including a Usergroup Council,
but an open-to-all group where the service can be discussed and criticisms
addressed in public is preferable to many.  Vispa management are in
complete agreement with this proposal as they desire transparency in their
operations and a frank and fair discussion of the service.  Current
provision for this is via third party website services where registration
may be required.

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uk.net.providers.vispa  The Vispa internet service

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CHARTER: uk.net.providers.vispa

This group is for the discussion of issues relating to the Vispa internet
service. This includes dial-up, ADSL and other related features offered by

Discussion of non-Internet services, such as telephony or other similar
products is deemed to be off-topic and not allowed.

Comparisons between Vispa and other providers belong in the generic
uk.net.providers group.

Crossposting to any other group in the uk.net.providers.* hierarchy is
forbidden. Crossposts in general must be relevant to all groups in the
newsgroups header.

This group has no official connection in any way with Vispa.  However,
Vispa staff are encouraged to participate as they would in the internal
Vispa newsgroups.


Advertising is forbidden

For the purposes of this charter, announcements by Vispa staff of changes
to the Vispa product line, prices or services are not considered to be
adverts. However announcements about other, non Internet services supplied
by Vispa are off-topic.

Binaries & Formatting

Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden.
Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be
posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where
authentication is important and should be as short as possible.

Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted
messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common newsreaders comply
with this, read <http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.

Warning. Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
"postmaster" and/or Service Provider.

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