18 Jul 2012: Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.media.newspapers

From: Pedt Scragg <p.scragg@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:29:50 +0100
Subject: RESULT : Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.media.newspapers FAILS 9:14
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.media.newspapers



Summary: Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.media.newspapers

Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.media.newspapers FAILS 9:14

NO beat YES by a majority of 5 votes. For a removal proposal to succeed 
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal 


Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 9th July 2012.

Proponent : Paul Cummins
            <paulcummins [AT] tiscali <DOT> co <DOT> uk>

Votetaker: Pedt Scragg 
           <query [AT] fairfieldtowers [DOT] net>





The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetaker Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale
7) Newsgroups Line
8) Charter



      31 emails were received at the ballot request address:

      30 : Valid ballot requests
       1 : Test by the votetaker

      28 emails were received at the vote submission address:

      25 : Valid votes 
       1 : Vote received out of time
       1 : Accidental email by the votetaker
       1 : Test by the votetaker



Remove unmoderated newsgroup uk.media.newspapers

       YES :  9 votes
        NO : 14 votes
   ABSTAIN :  2 votes
     Total : 25 votes

NO beat YES by a majority of 5 votes. For a removal proposal to succeed 
there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal 



Voted YES:

  Alan Lee                alan # darkroom ? plus ? com              Y
  Barry Salter            barry # southie ? me ? uk                 Y
  crn                     crn # netunix ? com                       Y
  Graham Drabble          graham # drabble ? me ? uk                Y
  Judith Smith            jmsmith2011 # hotmail ? co ? uk           Y
  Molly Mockford          xumn # mollymockford ? me ? uk            Y
  Oliver Braggins         oliver ? braggins # hotmail ? com         Y
  Paul Cummins            paulcummins # tiscali ? co ? uk           Y
  Roger Burton West       roger+unna201205 # firedrake ? org        Y

Voted NO:

  Brian                   Brian # bjforster ? force9 ? co ? uk      N
  DG                      dg # dickgaughan ? co ? uk                N
  Ian Clifton             ian ? clifton # chem ? ox ? ac ? uk       N
  Ian Jackson             ijackson # chiark ? greenend ? org ? uk   N
  John Blundell           jcb ? news # ntlworld ? com               N
  Mark Goodge             mark # good-stuff ? co ? uk               N
  Matthew Vernon          matthew # debian ? org                    N
  Michael Parry           mjp # crowsnest ? co ? uk                 N
  Mike Bristow            mike # urgle ? com                        N
  Nick Leverton           nick # leverton ? org                     N
  Peter Parry             peter # wpp ? ltd ? uk                    N
  Richard Kettlewell      rjk # terraraq ? org ? uk                 N
  Steve Firth             vote # malloc ? co ? uk                   N
  Victor Meldrew          vicmeld # gmail ? com                     N


  Andrew Hodgson          andrew # hodgsonfamily ? org              A
  Tony                    tony # darkstorm ? co ? uk                A


  Paul                    {voter} # watman ? clara ? co ? uk        N
     Vote received out of time


Votetaker Comments:

A straightforward vote. Many thanks to the Proponent and voters for 
making this an easy vote to conduct.

The accidental email referred to in the summary of email received was 
due to me dropping an exported email into the wrong local folder. No 
harm done other than to a few disgruntled electrons.


This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. 
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The uk.* usenet hierarchy is held in high regard by News Providers
because the hierarchy is well managed. Within that management is the
opportunity and duty to remove groups which are not being used to any

According to my own news spool, there have been no on-topic postings
since before August 2011, and the majority of postings are cross-posted
spam from US groups.

This group is clearly now not being used to any extent whatsoever. It
should be removed.


PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion

uk.media.newspapers is a group that is virtually unused but for 
spam and off-topic cross-posting.

Although one potentially on-topic post was identified, it was 
agreed in discussion that this was not, in fact the case, and in
any case a single valid post in over 2 years did not mean this
group was viable.

The discussion, as ever, moved to the general question of 
removing groups,  and the general consensus appears to be that
this group, along with others to be identified, is dead and should
be given a decent burial.

Although there were discussions on the validity of a single 
post, no-one spoke for retention of the group.

As such the appearance of a complaint to the fast track was a 
surprise, as the objector does not appear to have taken any part in 
the discussion.

The proponent therefore seeks a simple yes/no vote on whether this
spam-filled and otherwise almost entirely unused group should be 


CHANGES from the last RFD




uk.media.newspapers    Read all about it! Discussion of UK newspapers 


CHARTER: uk.media.newspapers

The uk.media.newspapers newsgroup is for the discussion of newspapers
published in the UK, either on sale at news-stands or delivered free to
your door, either local or national in focus. It is not intended that
magazines, published separately from newspapers, will be discussed here.


While discussion of advertising within newspapers is relevant and so is
encouraged, posting adverts to the newsgroup is strictly forbidden, with
these three exceptions:

1. Suppliers of goods and services pertinent to the production of UK
newspapers may post a pointer to relevant resources on the Internet or an
invitation that readers may request details from them. Such a message must
not exceed six lines and must not be posted more frequently than once every
nine weeks. The subject line of such a posting must begin with the word

2. Advertisements containing news of jobs available within the newspaper
industry may be posted, but no job may be advertised more than once, and
such advertisements may not exceed twenty lines. If this is insufficient,
it is recommended that the advertisement include details of where further
information may be found. The subject line of such a posting must begin
with the word "JOB". Cross-posting such advertisements to uk.jobs.offered
is appropriate.

3. Participants in discussions may include references to their
newspaper-related business in their signature only if the signature does
not exceed four lines. 


All posts must be made in plain text; HTML and other types of formatted
text are forbidden. Posting URLs of relevant Internet sites, where
appropriate, is encouraged.

With the explicit exception of PGP signatures, all encoded binaries are
forbidden. Forbidden binaries include, but are not limited to: pictures,
sounds, word processor documents, executable programs and "business cards".
You are invited to read a guide on the World Wide Web at
http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html for further information on how to
configure your newsreader to post to uk.* newsgroups.

Anyone posting advertisements, binaries or other material contrary to this
charter may be reported to their ISP or postmaster. 



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