Path: uni-berlin.de!host81-144-116-73.midband.mdip.bt.NET!not-for-mail From: "Richard Ashton" Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.providers Subject: RESULT uk.net.providers.ntl passes 47:11 Followup-To: uk.net.news.config Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:36:02 +0000 Lines: 270 Sender: Charles Lindsey as Deputy Control Approved: Charles Lindsey as Deputy Control Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-144-116-73.midband.mdip.bt.net (81.144.116.73) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079061191 67863959 I 81.144.116.73 ([99345]) X-Orig-Path: clerew!clw.cs.man.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: uni-berlin.de uk.net.news.announce:3127 uk.net.news.config:184721 uk.net.providers:1033 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.providers.ntl Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.providers.ntl PASSES 47:11 YES beat NO by a majority of 36 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal PASSES. (Please note that, due to the known ability of the "swen" virus to harvest addresses from news postings, all email addresses in this results posting, including the votetaker's and proponent's "from" and "reply-to" addresses, are spamtrapped or munged. I regret the necessity for this, but consider these circumstances sufficiently exceptional to warrant breaking the usual rules) - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 13th February 2004. Proponent: Mark Goodge Votetaker: Richard Ashton - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Distribution: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.net.providers - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period 2) Result 3) Individual Vote Details 4) Votetakers Comments 5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 6) Rationale 7) Newsgroups Line 8) Charter - --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY OF MAIL RECEIVED DURING THE VOTING PERIOD 65 messages were received to the Voting Address, of which: 62 were valid Votes 1 was a vote deemed invalid 1 was a vote acknowledgement 1 was a test by the Votetaker - --------------------------------------------------------------------- RESULT: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.net.providers.ntl YES : 47 votes NO : 11 votes ABSTAIN : 4 votes Total : 62 votes YES beat NO by a majority of 36 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal PASSES. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS Voted Yes - 47 votes - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Adam Price adam+usenet#pappnase#co#uk Yes Alan Walker lord#khaos#ntlworld#com Yes Alastair Mackintosh alastair_voting#hotmail#com Yes Alex Holden alex#alexholden#co#uk Yes Alex Mann alex#letmethink#co#uk Yes Andrew Norman andrew#ajnorman#org Yes Anthony R# Gold bigfoot#davros#org Yes Barry Salter ntlisp#salterg#demon#co#uk Yes Bob Eager rde#tavi#co#uk Yes Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk#dsl#co#uk Yes Chris Croughton chris#keristor#org Yes Chris Street c#street#ntlworld#com Yes Darren J Longhorn darrenlonghorn#yahoo#com Yes Dave Mason xukpntl#sarnie#org#uk Yes Dave Millard dave#focus3#uk#com Yes David Mahon dmahon_vote_xukpntl#amigo#co#uk Yes David Uri daviduri#bigfoot#com Yes Dominic Hargreaves dom-news#earth#li Yes FatHippy xukpntl#fathippy#net Yes Ganesh Sittampalam ganesh#earth#li Yes Ian Clifton ian#jerry#chem#ox#ac#uk Yes Jacob Nevins jacobn+unetuk#chiark#greenend#org#uk Yes Jim Crowther jim#crowfam#org#uk Yes John t_e_n_e_s_u#hotmail#com Yes John Blundell zymurgy#ntlworld#com Yes John Briggs john#briggs4#ntlworld#com Yes Jonathan Larmour jifl#jifvik#org Yes Julie Brandon julie#computergeeks#co#uk Yes kat katnews#ntlworld#com Yes Keith Lawrence adsl#perrydell#com Yes Liz Carnell help#bullying#co#uk Yes Mark Goodge rfd#good-stuff#co#uk Yes Mark Williams mark#aziraphale#homeip#net Yes Martin Cooper usenetspam#martinc#me#uk Yes Matchstick matchstick#oofg#com Yes Mike Fleming mike#tauzero#co#uk Yes Nadeem rainbowmediagroup#yahoo#co#uk Yes Neil Matthews neil#chaos#org#uk Yes Paul Brewer paul#streetka#biz Yes Paul Cummins {pc}#vlaad#co#uk Yes Pekka P. Pirinen ppp#pirinen#demon#co#uk Yes Robert Marshall robert#chezmarshall#freeserve#co#uk Yes Rogerh rogerh#clara#co#uk Yes Roy Ellor roy#ellor#vispa#com Yes Steve Cotton steve#s#cotton#clara#co#uk Yes Tim Lee Tim#datapath#co#uk Yes Tim Miller tim#economic-truth#co#uk Yes Voted No - 11 votes - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Mayall dave#research-group#co#uk No Iain Paton ukvoting#darkvoyage#org#uk No Ian Dunbar ian_dunbar7#hotmail#com No John Bean john#waterfoot#org No Kevin Andreoli kevin#andreoli#co#uk No Matt Holland matt#matt-holland#org No Paul Giverin paul#giverin#co#uk No Pete Fenelon pete#fenelon#com No Peter Smyth psmyth#gmx#net No Richard Clayton richard#highwayman#com No Wm... tcnw41#tarrcity#demon#co#uk No Abstained - 4 votes - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Dorrans barryd#idunno#org ABSTAIN NottGeek Jim nottgeek#jim#btopenworld#com ABSTAIN Dave Johnson requiem#freeuk#com ABSTAIN Malcolm Mladenovic mbm#tinc#org#uk ABSTAIN Invalid - 1 vote - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey harveytm#lineone#net Yes In email discussion the above failed to answer the votetakers question, and given that there is no record of this individual existing when the vote began, the votetaker has ruled the vote invalid. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Votetakers Comments: The only problem with this vote was what to do about the appeareance of harveytm@lineone.net on or about 29/01/2004. However, as he failed to reply to the votetaker's question, there was no alternative but to declare the vote invalid. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control (at) usenet.org.uk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CHARTER: uk.net.providers.ntl =================================================================== RATIONALE: uk.net.providers.ntl NTL is one of the largest ISPs in the UK, and one of only two to offer broadband via cable. Although there are existing NTL support newsgroups, these are only available on NTL's own news servers and are thus not accessible either to non-customers or to customers of NTL who use a non-NTL news server. =================================================================== Newsgroup line: uk.net.providers.ntl Internet services provided by NTL =================================================================== CHARTER: uk.net.providers.ntl This group is for the discussion of issues relating to the Internet services provided by NTL. This includes services provided over any current or future delivery methods, such as dial-up, cable or commercial broadband services. Discussion of non-Internet services, such as telephony and cable TV, is off-topic except where directly relevant to the Internet service (for example, a network outage affecting both telephone and Internet, or advice on troubleshooting a combined TV/Internet set-top box). This is not an advocacy group. Comparisons between NTL and other providers, or discussions as to whether NTL is better or worse than any other named provider, belong in the generic uk.net.providers group. Crossposting to newsgroups relating specifically to any ISP other than NTL, either in the uk.net.providers.* hierarchy or elsewhere, is forbidden. This group has no official connection in any way with NTL. However, NTL staff are encouraged to participate and provide information, service updates, etc, just as they would in the internal NTL newsgroups. Advertising Advertising is forbidden, with this exception: Private individuals wishing to buy, sell or trade items specifically relevant to NTL's services may post an article containing the necessary details or a link to a website containing the details. For the purposes of this charter, announcements by NTL staff of changes to the NTL product line, prices or services are not considered to be adverts. Binaries & Formatting Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where authentication is important and should be as short as possible. Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common newsreaders comply with this, read . Warning. Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their "postmaster" and/or Service Provider. 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