20 Aug 2003: uk.telecom.mobile
From: utmobile@amigo.co.uk
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:38:18 +0100
Subject: Result: Change charter of uk.telecom.mobile PASSES
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom,uk.adverts.telecom.mobile
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES
Summary: Change charter of uk.telecom.mobile
PROPOSAL - Change charter of uk.telecom.mobile PASSES
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST Sat, 9th August 2003.
Proponent: Grant Mason <utmrfd@mason.sh.invalid>
Votetaker: David Mahon <utmobile@amigo.co.uk>
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Distribution:
This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:
uk.net.news.announce
uk.net.news.config
uk.telecom.mobile
uk.telecom
uk.adverts.telecom.mobile
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The Results:
The results follow below in the following order:
1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale, Summary of Discussion & Proposed Charter Change
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RESULTS:
PROPOSAL - Change charter of uk.telecom.mobile
UKVoting received 43 submissions to the address dedicated to handling
this vote:
YES : 28 votes
NO : 10 votes
ABSTAIN : 1 votes
OTHER : 4 (see votetaker comments)
Total : 43
YES beat NO by a majority of 18 votes. For passage, there must be 12
more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, this proposal PASSES.
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PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE:
Name Email Vote
Andrew Hodgson andrew#hodgsonfamily*gro Y
Andrew Woodvine andrew#woodvine*moc Y
bib1963 bib_aab#hotmail*moc Y
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk#dsl*oc*ku Y
Dave news*reply*0703#dv-8*demon*oc*ku N
Dave Gill {usenet}#wossname*me*uk Y
Dave H dmh#dmh*gro*ku Y
David Wood david#wood2*gro*ku Y
fallonjw fallonjw#hotmail*moc Y
Gareth Babb hick#gink*gro Y
Geoff Wilson geoff*wilson#dsl*pipex*moc Y
Geoff Winkless geoff#farmline*moc N
Grant Mason news#mason*hs Y
Howard Orgel Howard*Orgel#orgels*demon*oc*ku Y
John C. Rymer john#unlockingireland*moc Y
John Temperley utmobilevote#usenetz*clara*oc*ku N
Jon Parker jon#unlockingshop*oc*ku Y
Keith keithj#spamcop*ten Y
lansbury lansbury#spamcop*ten N
LincMad telecom#lincmad*moc Y
Lt. Cmdr. Jim jim#us-lot*gro A
MattD.. mattd145#onetel*moc Y
Matthew Balyuzi matthew#balyuzi*ten Y
Matthew Haigh $matthaigh{News03}$#haigh*gro Y
Michael Burdis michaelm1dul#hotmail*moc N
Mike Tullett mike*tullett3#ntlworld*moc Y
Nadeem bambi#sushi*oc*pj N
Nick B. nickbeee#yahoo*moc Y
Peter Duck pduck#zetnet*oc*ku Y
Peter G Sheppard peter#petersheppard*moc Y
Philip Powell philip#blencathra*gro*ku Y
Richard Clayton richard#highwayman*moc N
Robert Woolley rob#Robertwoolley*oc*ku N
Robin Weston pirate#matey*ten Y
Simon Ough simax#dsl*pipex*moc N
Stuart Friedman stu#crimapp*moc N
Toby Bryans toby#bryans*gro Y
Tony Walton tony*walton#sun*moc Y
Zane Wilson zane#wilson*ts Y
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VOTETAKERS COMMENTS:
A fairly straightforward, old fashioned, YES/NO vote. Unfortunately,
control posted the closing date as 23:59:59 Wed, 9th August 2003 (the
9th being a Saturday). Votes were allowed up until the end of the 9th.
The 4 submissions listed as OTHER were:
1 Testing by votetaker
1 ACK bounced
2 Unfilled ballot form
The voter whose ACK bounced (3 times) correctly submitted his/her vote
at a later date. One of the voters posting an unfilled ballot form
correctly submitted his/her vote at a later date. The other did not.
Two ballot forms were sent directly to the votetaker's email address for
queries, rather than to the address for voting (via UKVoting's server).
One of these was correctly resubmitted by the voter.
3 pieces of SPAM were addressed to the votetaker's direct email address
(unique for this vote).
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VOTING AND APPEAL GUIDELINES:
This vote was conducted by UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent
votetakers who count votes on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd
parties.
The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
<ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to
control@usenet.org.uk.
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PROPONENT'S RATIONALE
There is very little history of on-topic advertising in
uk.telecom.mobile that complies with the narrow definition found in the
current charter. Given that uk.adverts.telecom.mobile fits the needs of
those that wish to post and/or read mobile related adverts, a number of
regular posters to uk.telecom.mobile have agreed with the suggestion
that the charter should be changed.
And whilst I'm here, I might as well take the opportunity to replace the
current binary wording with that which is now considered 'standard'.
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PROPONENT'S SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION
There were a few questions about the exact nature of an advert and which
ISPs take note of off-topic abuse reports, but there were around a dozen
'I agree' posts and no outright objections. Hopefully, a straight
forward, if drawn out, proposal.
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PROPOSAL
Charter uk.telecom.mobile
REPLACE:
"Advertisements are not allowed, except one posting of 3 lines + URL for
new services/products that are significantly different from that
currently available.
Binaries are not permitted on this group, however references to FTP-able
material and Web URL's are allowed."
WITH:
"Advertising is forbidden.
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden.
Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be
posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where
authentication is important and should be as short as possible.
Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted
messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common newsreaders
comply with this, read <http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.
Pointers to commercial or other web sites in signatures are permitted
provided the message is on-topic. All signatures should be 4 lines or
fewer and preceded by the customary usenet separator "-- " (dash, dash,
space) on a line of its own."
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David Mahon
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